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RE: Bowl Eligible schools, 2019
(12-02-2019 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My point was just .... of thr 14 six win teams, how many rely on an FCS win to get to six, and have those FCS wins been vetted to make sure the FCS teams meetd the 90% grant-aid criterion?
Seems likely they would get that sorted out when the FCS regular season ended ... since the playoffs are in progress, seems like they could well have it set up to know by CCG week.

Well, if not earlier, but the only bowl picking before then is Bahamas, and they've got two 7-5 schools (Buffalo & Charlotte), where it isn't an issue in eligibility.
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RE: Bowl Eligible schools, 2019
(12-02-2019 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  That is exactly what I said. I didn't include Missouri. There are 80 teams with 6 wins or more.

right. But there are only 78 bowl spots. So there is 1 other team that is an odd man out.

My terminology confused you. By odd man out, I meant the only one of the 80 6+ win teams that wasn't eligible. There will be another odd man out, one of the remaining 79.

My point was just .... of thr 14 six win teams, how many rely on an FCS win to get to six, and have those FCS wins been vetted to make sure the FCS teams meetd the 90% grant-aid criterion?

I would really think we would have heard about that by now quite frankly.

IIRC, when the issue came up with FSU a couple years ago, they had already accepted the Indy Bowl bid.
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RE: Bowl Eligible schools, 2019
(12-02-2019 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right. But there are only 78 bowl spots. So there is 1 other team that is an odd man out.

My terminology confused you. By odd man out, I meant the only one of the 80 6+ win teams that wasn't eligible. There will be another odd man out, one of the remaining 79.

My point was just .... of thr 14 six win teams, how many rely on an FCS win to get to six, and have those FCS wins been vetted to make sure the FCS teams meetd the 90% grant-aid criterion?

I would really think we would have heard about that by now quite frankly.

IIRC, when the issue came up with FSU a couple years ago, they had already accepted the Indy Bowl bid.

possibly I guess...

Here's the 14 that I'm seeing at 6-6...
Tulane- Montana St- made FCS playoffs
Fla St- Alabama St
BC- Richmond-CAA
Miami- Bethune Cookman
UNC- Mercer
Mich St- none
Illinois- none
FIU- New Hampshire-CAA
Ohio- Rhode Island-CAA
Kent St-Kennesaw St- made FCS playoffs
Toledo-Murray St
E Michigan- C Conn. St- made FCS Playoffs
Wash St- No Colorado-Big Sky
Miss St- Abilene Christian

would think the 3 that made the FCS playoffs are fine along with the 2 that didn't play obviously. Richmond, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island are CAA- so think they're fine... Northern Colorado is Big Sky so probably fine as well...
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RE: Bowl Eligible schools, 2019
(12-02-2019 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My point was just .... of thr 14 six win teams, how many rely on an FCS win to get to six, and have those FCS wins been vetted to make sure the FCS teams meetd the 90% grant-aid criterion?

I would like to see the bowl selection criteria changed. To be an automatic qualifier, you should have 6 wins against FBS schools. This year, there were 65 such teams. In 2018 there were 71 and in 2017 there were 69.

Then, from the pool of teams with 5 FBS wins, take the teams with the best APR to fill out the bowl field. This year, that pool had 17 teams, in 2018 it was 14 and 2017 there were 16. No wins against FCS opponents should count toward bowl eligibility IMO.

This year, it wouldn't have made a significant change in the number of eligible teams per conference. But at the margin, it would have changed which those teams were. In the future, this could result in fewer FBS vs FCS games if the criteria were changed, and IMO that would be a good thing.
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RE: Bowl Eligible schools, 2019
(12-02-2019 10:02 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My point was just .... of thr 14 six win teams, how many rely on an FCS win to get to six, and have those FCS wins been vetted to make sure the FCS teams meetd the 90% grant-aid criterion?

I would like to see the bowl selection criteria changed. To be an automatic qualifier, you should have 6 wins against FBS schools. This year, there were 65 such teams. In 2018 there were 71 and in 2017 there were 69.

Then, from the pool of teams with 5 FBS wins, take the teams with the best APR to fill out the bowl field. This year, that pool had 17 teams, in 2018 it was 14 and 2017 there were 16. No wins against FCS opponents should count toward bowl eligibility IMO.

This year, it wouldn't have made a significant change in the number of eligible teams per conference. But at the margin, it would have changed which those teams were. In the future, this could result in fewer FBS vs FCS games if the criteria were changed, and IMO that would be a good thing.

Personally, I don't want to discourage games vs FCS too much. FCS programs rely on very little money, and games vs FBS are paydays that help spread a little of the big wealth around to them, much like P5 vs G5 games help spread some of that big P5 money down to the G5 schools.
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