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(10-12-2019 03:02 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Ball hit the ground.

Joey was wide open though if brady had any arm strength joey never needs to dive and instead catches it on the run.

You must have selective sight. Brady was in the process of being thrown to the ground by a 300 pound defensive lineman when he threw it. Amazing that he got it anywhere near Joey. A credit to both he and Joey.
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(10-12-2019 03:02 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Ball hit the ground.

Joey was wide open though if brady had any arm strength joey never needs to dive and instead catches it on the run.

lol, a 290 lb guy hanging on him.
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(10-12-2019 03:14 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  If you think that is indisputable video evidence you are weak minded.

There are several other explanations for the ball movement.

This referee should not be allowed to ref another game past high school for a year at least

Oh, this guy (head referee) is awful. I've seen him (was it last week against ULM?) in some previous games, and thought "this must be the "C" string."
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Wasn't Indisputable . Should have stood as called on the field. That called would never be made against a top 10 team.
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Ball never hit the ground. ,shiiiiiit call. As usual.
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(10-12-2019 03:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:55 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:48 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  it looked like his dark shoulder pad hits the ground. If that's the nose that hits the ground then how does it also end up down near his crotch at basically the same time? And don't give me the "we did it to ourselves" crap. We put ourselves in a position to win, and the refs, not Temple, took it away from us.

Because a football will bounce. In this case, it bounced from the ground to his crotch in about a 1/4 of a second. I didn't want to believe it, until I saw the slowed down tweeted GIF, I didn't believe it. But it did.

Can you post the tweet?

In NO WAY do I think this was enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, but watching this, you know what happened...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimTimothy69/...um=ios_app

This CLEARLY shows the ball hitting the ground. I didn't want to believe it either but it's pretty clear. However, with that said, the officials didn't have this same look at the play and from everything the jumbotron showed there wasn't enough to overturn that call.
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(10-12-2019 03:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 03:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:55 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:48 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  it looked like his dark shoulder pad hits the ground. If that's the nose that hits the ground then how does it also end up down near his crotch at basically the same time? And don't give me the "we did it to ourselves" crap. We put ourselves in a position to win, and the refs, not Temple, took it away from us.

Because a football will bounce. In this case, it bounced from the ground to his crotch in about a 1/4 of a second. I didn't want to believe it, until I saw the slowed down tweeted GIF, I didn't believe it. But it did.

Can you post the tweet?

In NO WAY do I think this was enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, but watching this, you know what happened...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimTimothy69/...um=ios_app

This CLEARLY shows the ball hitting the ground. I didn't want to believe it either but it's pretty clear.


so, you saw the ball hit the ground?

Or did it LOOK like the ball hit the ground?


It looks like it more than likely hit the ground but that is not the rule to overturn a call
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SECTION 7. Reversing an On-Field

Ruling Criterion for Reversal

ARTICLE 1. To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.


so someone had to have provided the non-tv source to the monitor
on the field, that kind of opens a can of worms
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(10-12-2019 03:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  SECTION 7. Reversing an On-Field

Ruling Criterion for Reversal

ARTICLE 1. To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.


so someone had to have provided the non-tv source to the monitor
on the field, that kind of opens a can of worms

correct

even the announcers said that it was a non-TV replay that led to their decision

just unreal when you step back and think about it
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(10-12-2019 03:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  SECTION 7. Reversing an On-Field

Ruling Criterion for Reversal

ARTICLE 1. To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.


so someone had to have provided the non-tv source to the monitor
on the field, that kind of opens a can of worms

The announcers SAID that was happening during the review time. I don't know why that would open up a "can of worms". It is done. Not all the time, but it is done.
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The ball was in his bent arm. His arm hit the ground with force. The energy from his arm hitting was transferred to the ball, so it popped up and into his crotch.

Now, is that what happened, or did the ball actually hit the ground? I looked at that video several times and I couldn’t tell, but the refs overturned a call based based on it.
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(10-12-2019 03:41 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 03:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 03:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:55 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 02:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Because a football will bounce. In this case, it bounced from the ground to his crotch in about a 1/4 of a second. I didn't want to believe it, until I saw the slowed down tweeted GIF, I didn't believe it. But it did.

Can you post the tweet?

In NO WAY do I think this was enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, but watching this, you know what happened...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimTimothy69/...um=ios_app

This CLEARLY shows the ball hitting the ground. I didn't want to believe it either but it's pretty clear.


so, you saw the ball hit the ground?

Or did it LOOK like the ball hit the ground?


It looks like it more than likely hit the ground but that is not the rule to overturn a call

That's why I edited my comment, too late it seems. Edit: However, with that said, the officials didn't have this same look at the play and from everything the jumbotron showed there wasn't enough to overturn that call.
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(10-12-2019 04:24 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  The ball was in his bent arm. His arm hit the ground with force. The energy from his arm hitting was transferred to the ball, so it popped up and into his crotch.

Now, is that what happened, or did the ball actually hit the ground? I looked at that video several times and I couldn’t tell, but the refs overturned a call based based on it.

That's really all that need be said.
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(10-12-2019 04:09 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 03:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  SECTION 7. Reversing an On-Field

Ruling Criterion for Reversal

ARTICLE 1. To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.


so someone had to have provided the non-tv source to the monitor
on the field, that kind of opens a can of worms

The announcers SAID that was happening during the review time. I don't know why that would open up a "can of worms". It is done. Not all the time, but it is done.

the ncaa needs to put in their rules that only tv source can be used

needs to be independent

can you document a time a non-tv source was fed to the monitor on the field ?
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I still believe this is a reception.

However, if the ball did touch the ground, did he control it prior to hitting the turf?
I think the real question is, ,,,,,,,,,,did he control the ball first?
Even in this case, I believe he did.

The general rule for a legal catch requires a receiver to control the ball “with his hands or arms before the ball touches the ground,” according to the 2013-14 NCAA football rules book. If the football hits the field at any time before the receiver secures possession of the ball, the pass will be ruled incomplete.

The rule has not changed since the 2013-2014 rule book was published.
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There wasn't enough to overturn that call. 100%
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(10-12-2019 02:48 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  it looked like his dark shoulder pad hits the ground. If that's the nose that hits the ground then how does it also end up down near his crotch at basically the same time? And don't give me the "we did it to ourselves" crap. We put ourselves in a position to win, and the refs, not Temple, took it away from us.

(10-12-2019 04:54 PM)tigerblu Wrote:  There wasn't enough to overturn that call. 100%

This is correct. But if it wasn’t for Norvell refusing to play anyone but BW, we would have not been in that position.
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It isn't 'indisputable' that the spherical ellipsoid made of leather struck terra firma at any time.
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Honestly I had bad feeling he didn’t catch it during live action from what I saw in how he caught it.
And watching the replay, it looks like it hits the ground.
Was it indisputable? No.

There should be 5 replay referees (or maybe every ref on the field votes). All 5 hit a buzzer, if one dissents, then no overturn.

Keep track of votes. If anyone’s dissents are outside a statistical anomaly in any year then they get removed from the process.

Easy fix.
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(10-12-2019 03:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  Ball never hit the ground. ,shiiiiiit call. As usual.

Let’s repeat that again, the ball NEVER HIT THE GROUND!!!! That’s undeniable truth. If anyone thinks they saw the ball hit the ground then they seriously, seriously need to have their eyes checked out.
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