(10-11-2019 02:11 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:43 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Just so everyone knows... this thread will likely go to two different places depending on how this topics goes.

SunBelt Trash Talk

Or

The Spin Room (CSNbbs Political Room)
https://csnbbs.com/forum-540.html

I'm willing to give this thread air-time here until the end of the day, but its destination will largely depend on how this conversation goes.

Yeah I shared it because of all of the crap the GaSo fans were giving App State when we had of not very nice tennis player who was expelled from the team for his talk at North Carolina Central match

You are holding a grudge on a subject from almost 2 years ago?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-841474.html

I'm pretty sure the reaction to that thread was mixed across most fan bases.



FYI.. that was a sports centered topic, thus was on the main forum

This subject has ZERO to do with Sports, therefore it does not belong on the main forum.

(10-11-2019 02:21 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:11 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:43 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Just so everyone knows... this thread will likely go to two different places depending on how this topics goes.

SunBelt Trash Talk

Or

The Spin Room (CSNbbs Political Room)
https://csnbbs.com/forum-540.html

I'm willing to give this thread air-time here until the end of the day, but its destination will largely depend on how this conversation goes.

Yeah I shared it because of all of the crap the GaSo fans were giving App State when we had of not very nice tennis player who was expelled from the team for his talk at North Carolina Central match

You are holding a grudge on a subject from almost 2 years ago?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-841474.html

I'm pretty sure the reaction to that thread was mixed across most fan bases.

Yes.

You're right, certainly most everyone agreed that that special boy needed to be removed from representing any of our fine Sun Belt schools. But you all justifiably had a lot more fun with the fact that it happened to us.

(10-11-2019 02:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:31 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  Having white skin doesn't give you privilege. We have laws that make it a requirement to hire minorities. We have laws making it a requirement for colleges to accept minorities. If anything that's the privilege. This isn't judging someone based on the content of their character it has everything to do with the color of their skin. If it was about character then race wouldn't be asked on applications.

The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

Fearing for their lives? Please share the source, MSNBC & CNN don't qualify, for the statistics that prove this. Please tell me how many black people got pulled over today, this week and month who lost their lives? The amount of misinformation, distortion and downright lies being spread today is appalling.

Article:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...-black-men

That is an article about this study by the National Academy of Science of the United States of America

Study:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

You might want to re-read that thread.

Most folks were pretty moderate on that topic and nobody gloated/popped champagne. If any it stoked political ideologies of various posters here and caused some friction. That's about it.

Funny how grudges change your perception of what happened in the past.

(10-11-2019 02:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:31 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  Having white skin doesn't give you privilege. We have laws that make it a requirement to hire minorities. We have laws making it a requirement for colleges to accept minorities. If anything that's the privilege. This isn't judging someone based on the content of their character it has everything to do with the color of their skin. If it was about character then race wouldn't be asked on applications.

The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

Fearing for their lives? Please share the source, MSNBC & CNN don't qualify, for the statistics that prove this. Please tell me how many black people got pulled over today, this week and month who lost their lives? The amount of misinformation, distortion and downright lies being spread today is appalling.

I'll play this fun little game.

it doesn't make any difference whatever kind of study data and or proof any one were to come up with period You're not going to believe any of it because they don't support your long held biases.

Here you go here's a nice study that was done at Stanford, but you won't believe any of it either.

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

and FYI in the United States, African Americans represent just over twelve percent of the general population. So therefore they should be pulled over approximately twelve percent of all traffic stops. Now when you factor in the percentages of who owns cars your numbers really get far worse.

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  You might want to re-read that thread.

Most folks were pretty moderate on that topic and nobody gloated/popped champagne. If any it stoked political ideologies of various posters here and caused some friction. That's about it.

Funny how grudges change your perception of what happened in the past.

I've realized this was a mistake.

You find things out about people that you'd rather not know.

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  You might want to re-read that thread.

Most folks were pretty moderate on that topic and nobody gloated/popped champagne. If any it stoked political ideologies of various posters here and caused some friction. That's about it.

Funny how grudges change your perception of what happened in the past.

I've realized this was a mistake.

You find things out about people that you'd rather not know.

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Article:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...-black-men

That is an article about this study by the National Academy of Science of the United States of America

Study:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

The problem with analyses like this is that they just assume that if there are disparities in who dies to the police then that has to be a result of bias. You can't make that assumption. All the more sophisticated studies I've seen have shown no disparity.

Harvard Study published in Nation Bureau of Economic Research shows no bias in police killings
Wazzu study shows police bias could actually be against whites
Study from Crime Prevention Research Center show no bias in police killings

(10-11-2019 03:27 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Article:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...-black-men

That is an article about this study by the National Academy of Science of the United States of America

Study:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

The problem with analyses like this is that they just assume that if there are disparities in who dies to the police then that has to be a result of bias. You can't make that assumption. All the more sophisticated studies I've seen have shown no disparity.

Harvard Study published in Nation Bureau of Economic Research shows no bias in police killings
Wazzu study shows police bias could actually be against whites
Study from Crime Prevention Research Center show no bias in police killings

Your studies are also 3 years older than the one from August I posted. Stats change.

(10-11-2019 03:27 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Article:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...-black-men

That is an article about this study by the National Academy of Science of the United States of America

Study:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

The problem with analyses like this is that they just assume that if there are disparities in who dies to the police then that has to be a result of bias. You can't make that assumption. All the more sophisticated studies I've seen have shown no disparity.

Harvard Study published in Nation Bureau of Economic Research shows no bias in police killings
Wazzu study shows police bias could actually be against whites
Study from Crime Prevention Research Center show no bias in police killings

That's interesting I haven't studied the actual shooting exercise versus targeting and traffic stops.

Stats in a vacuum. Stats relative to world data meaningful. A century of socioeconomic status for example relative to the world broken down over a period of time meaningful and an American virtue unsurpassed on this planet.

(10-11-2019 02:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

Fearing for their lives? Please share the source, MSNBC & CNN don't qualify, for the statistics that prove this. Please tell me how many black people got pulled over today, this week and month who lost their lives? The amount of misinformation, distortion and downright lies being spread today is appalling.

Article:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...-black-men

That is an article about this study by the National Academy of Science of the United States of America

Study:
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Those are essentially the same publication and every stat is badic followed by a disclaimer. There is also no mention of the circumstances under which these people were being detained. That would shed a lot of light on what led to any unfortunate situation. It's particularly disturbing to me some people actually think police officers go to work with the mindset these publications insinuate. There's a lot of truth in Chris Rock's video How Not To Get Your A$$ Kicked By The Police.

(10-11-2019 02:32 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

Fearing for their lives? Please share the source, MSNBC & CNN don't qualify, for the statistics that prove this. Please tell me how many black people got pulled over today, this week and month who lost their lives? The amount of misinformation, distortion and downright lies being spread today is appalling.

I'll play this fun little game.

it doesn't make any difference whatever kind of study data and or proof any one were to come up with period You're not going to believe any of it because they don't support your long held biases.

Here you go here's a nice study that was done at Stanford, but you won't believe any of it either.

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

and FYI in the United States, African Americans represent just over twelve percent of the general population. So therefore they should be pulled over approximately twelve percent of all traffic stops. Now when you factor in the percentages of who owns cars your numbers really get far worse.

I won't believe data because it doesn't support my long held biases? You know nothing about me, yet throw out an inflammatory remark like that? Tells me a lot about you. It's a safer bet you wouldn't believe statistics compiled by a non-partisan source (which Stanford University and the LA Times are not) that indicates otherwise. It's completely illogical and naive to think since only 12% of the population is of a certain ethnicity then no more than 12% of that group can be involved in incidents that cause them to be pulled over or arrested.

It is interesting when you look at the economics of the situation, vice the race, that a clearer picture emerges. I am not going to engage further in this discussion, as frankly, I do not buy into the OP's argument. But when you account for the economics of differing groups that have different financial situations (based upon abortion rates, out-of-wedlock births, single parent homes, etc), the picture becomes very clear.

You want equality in outcomes, then you bear some responsibility for the inputs, and I'll happily suggest that a simple comparison of out-of-wedlock births/abortions and single-parent homes would provide some much-needed perspective to the claims of institutionalized discrimination. And instead of looking back to the Civil War era, you might be better served evaluating the single worst President in the modern era, Lyndon B Johnson, for his Great Society, and the destruction that this wreaked upon the nuclear family, particularly lower-income black families.

(10-11-2019 11:13 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The 18 year old students definitely reacted poorly and immaturely, but based on what the author said during her lecture, the students had a right to be upset. The author did not come to our campus to facilitate a conversation about race. Based on some of the quotes from her lecture, she was very incendiary and caused the discussion portion of her lecture to be very tense with some of her remarks. Several students got up and walked out.

Unfortunately the university removed the video of her lecture from their website or I would post it here. I still don’t believe burning her book and posting it to social media was the correct way to express their difference of opinion.

The author loves the publicity she’s getting. She’s currently using this story and the headlines to plug her new book titled “My Time Among the Whites” on social media.

She was bigoted and insulting.

What she found was "white privilege" doesn't play well outside wealthy urban areas. If you've ever been in South Georgia you would understand why they thought she was so full of hatred and fos. "White privilege" is something made up by well to do white liberals who feel guilty about the way Black people have been treated in our history and have no idea how most people live.

(10-11-2019 11:26 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:24 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 10:21 AM)HighCountry Wrote:  This is going to cause a huge spike in applications from trailer parks all across Georgia.

(10-11-2019 10:52 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 10:41 AM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  I'm white. I understand that I have many privelages over people of color that I REALLY shouldn't. I don't get what's so hard for these kids to understand.

It's mind-blowing. I am a white male born into a middle-class family and that alone gives me tremendous advantage over the majority of others on this planet. You are spot on; it's not hard to understand. It is an unwillingness to understand and/or a fear that this advantage may one day evaporate and become an even playing field. Therefore the hostility.

This sure isn't in a way to attract minority student athletes to want to come play at a school.

I guess y’all would know...

Wouldn't be surprised seeing this stuff at practically every southern school, we're all trying to fight it.

Another bigoted statement.

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:31 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:26 AM)debragga Wrote:  We’re not saying it’s impossible. We’re saying it’s a lot harder for those without privilege to catch up to those who do have it.

Having white skin doesn't give you privilege. We have laws that make it a requirement to hire minorities. We have laws making it a requirement for colleges to accept minorities. If anything that's the privilege. This isn't judging someone based on the content of their character it has everything to do with the color of their skin. If it was about character then race wouldn't be asked on applications.

The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

That's stupidity, not privilege.

Actual studies, not media narrative, show that African Americans are no more likely to be shot than whites.

(10-11-2019 02:32 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 02:18 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 12:02 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:45 AM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:44 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  The fact that there are laws on the books is evidence of the privilege.

It's evidence of combating privilege. I'm not saying white people never had privilege, I'm saying that in 2019 there is no privilege based on race in the United States.

As a white man, if I get pulled over, it's a minor inconvenience. In these days, African-Americans fear for their lives when being pulled over. That's privelage.

Fearing for their lives? Please share the source, MSNBC & CNN don't qualify, for the statistics that prove this. Please tell me how many black people got pulled over today, this week and month who lost their lives? The amount of misinformation, distortion and downright lies being spread today is appalling.

I'll play this fun little game.

it doesn't make any difference whatever kind of study data and or proof any one were to come up with period You're not going to believe any of it because they don't support your long held biases.

Here you go here's a nice study that was done at Stanford, but you won't believe any of it either.

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

and FYI in the United States, African Americans represent just over twelve percent of the general population. So therefore they should be pulled over approximately twelve percent of all traffic stops. Now when you factor in the percentages of who owns cars your numbers really get far worse.

Those statistics prove nothing. Police are more likely to pull people over in higher crime neighborhoods. And Blacks are more likely to live in those neighborhoods. Blacks have a higher % of poverty which also makes them more likely.

Now it does appear that DWB is a real thing from anecdotes, but your stats don't prove that point.

And it has nothing to do with being shot. You believe a media narrative about Blacks being shot more often and nothing will change your closed mind.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/public...-use-force

"...This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account...."

I had a conversation with several black friends a year or so ago. The subject matter was a story were a white policeman was patrolling a residential area where there were several reports of a black kid wandering around throwing rocks at windows. The officer found a black kid, questioned him, the kid denied it, but turns out he was some distance from home, just wandering around the neighborhood. The officer determined that he should take the kid home. Before putting the kid in the back of the police car, the officer cuffed him. When he got to the kid's house, mama came out and started screaming at the officer. I was asked wouldn't I pitch a fit if that happened to my son. I said no. They were incredulous. They were like when cops do that, they are going to kill you. I was like I might think it was a bit excessive, but I'd be all over my son about what he did to get into that situation.

I've had other conversations with the same friends, who say that every time they see a policeman arrest someone, they think lynchings, and that anytime something bad happens to one black person it's like it happened to the whole community.

I just don't have the same reactions to any of those situations. I've given them a lot of thought. I wonder how much of the difference in outcomes for police encounters with young black men versus others is due to those differences in attitude. If white kids are taught to respect police and black kids are taught to fear and distrust them, then how much difference does that make in how borderline encounters are handled?

(10-12-2019 09:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I had a conversation with several black friends a year or so ago. The subject matter was a story were a white policeman was patrolling a residential area where there were several reports of a black kid wandering around throwing rocks at windows. The officer found a black kid, questioned him, the kid denied it, but turns out he was some distance from home, just wandering around the neighborhood. The officer determined that he should take the kid home. Before putting the kid in the back of the police car, the officer cuffed him. When he got to the kid's house, mama came out and started screaming at the officer. I was asked wouldn't I pitch a fit if that happened to my son. I said no. They were incredulous. They were like when cops do that, they are going to kill you. I was like I might think it was a bit excessive, but I'd be all over my son about what he did to get into that situation.

I've had other conversations with the same friends, who say that every time they see a policeman arrest someone, they think lynchings, and that anytime something bad happens to one black person it's like it happened to the whole community.

I just don't have the same reactions to any of those situations. I've given them a lot of thought. I wonder how much of the difference in outcomes for police encounters with young black men versus others is due to those differences in attitude. If white kids are taught to respect police and black kids are taught to fear and distrust them, then how much difference does that make in how borderline encounters are handled?

A HUGE amount. I got a ticket a few years ago for doing a "rolling stop" at a stop sign. Atlanta police were sitting there trying to write as many tickets as possible. I believed I had actually stopped and say so. He got really belligerent. To a middle aged professional white guy in a nice neighborhood. So I stopped talking.

Black people who teach their children to fear police are putting them at risk of being killed. It is horrible parenting.