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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious


I don't think it was a distance thing at all. It definitely had to do with the quality of program and excitement (or lack there of) they bring.

StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious

Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious


I don't think it was a distance thing at all. It definitely had to do with the quality of program and excitement (or lack there of) they bring.

StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

but the funny part is that tulsa has made more tourneys than seton hall...
seton hall has 4 good years, without getting past the 1st weekend in that stretch and now they have room to call out other programs in public interviews? joke or not
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
Villanova doesn't actually want FBS. They dragged their feet and dragged their feet when the Big East was trying to get them to upgrade because the administration doesn't want to deal with the headache but they also didn't want to flat-out dismiss their football fans/alums that did want it. They never even actually presented a plan to the Big East to upgrade prior to the split, they just stalled until the offer got pulled.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious


I don't think it was a distance thing at all. It definitely had to do with the quality of program and excitement (or lack there of) they bring.

StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

but the funny part is that tulsa has made more tourneys than seton hall...
seton hall has 4 good years, without getting past the 1st weekend in that stretch and now they have room to call out other programs in public interviews? joke or not

Yeah, he definitely made a mistake by attempting to call out Tulsa. That inclusion didn't make sense.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious


I don't think it was a distance thing at all. It definitely had to do with the quality of program and excitement (or lack there of) they bring.

StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

The irony was that it’s coming from the coach of a program who’s made a grand total of 13 NCAA tournaments all time.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
UCONN's move can really only be argued from a travel perspective. The hoops imo is lateral, you could argue it's a slight jump, but I think that's short sighted given the improvements of Memphis, USF, etc. UCONN's issues were mostly UCONN related. It's not as if Houston, Cincy's, and Memphis haven't proven you can win big in this league.

It's the death of their football and baseball programs imo. If I were a UCONN I would be livid. As to Seton Hall, meh it's a new day, I firmly believe this league is going to be a power from top to bottom as long as we have these coaches.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:36 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).

temple would be out voted for a program like vill...they can block st joes not vill

"the future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim."
its the exact opposite, even your AD said that..

he said its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8, and that there is likely a spot for the top g5...
he just said that its 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didnt want to build a future on that. especially when theyd likely be playing a bama level team yearly as the lowest seed

uconn didnt think they ever be the best g5, in your ADs words football is just an event to hang out..
vill who is currently undefeated in football i doubt would have the same kind of mentality

the BE new tv deal is in 4.5 years, playoff expansion likely around there aswell... depending how both playout and how many members we have, i wouldn't rule out anything
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
Well, he's got to come up with something snappy to say when recruits tell him "If I'm good enough to be a D1 recruit, then why the hell would I go to Seton Hall???"
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

Willard's take on ECU and Tulane is completely fair, Tulsa is where I would disagree with him.

I was probably the most critical of Dooley last season of any ECU fan, but it's not hard to have optimism moving forward when he acknowledges the problems and blows the program up and starts over with 11 new players.

Now that things seem to be lining up more with what I expected last year. when you have the resumes of guys like Dooley, Chillious, and Roccaforte are on staff and essentially their team, I think we should have some optimism.

I've always said top 120ish RPI/NET where our basketball budget and attendance kind of hoovers around is my baseline expectations until we improve those things, anything more than that the next few years would gravy to me. Frankly just getting to top 125 consistently would be a win.

The Seton Hall guy has never had to deal with an ECU program recruiting in the mid Atlantic before with coaches like this. I think in the future he will see one with a lot more teeth.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 02:02 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

Willard's take on ECU and Tulane is completely fair, Tulsa is where I would disagree with him.

I was probably the most critical of Dooley last season of any ECU fan, but it's not hard to have optimism moving forward when he acknowledges the problems and blows the program up and starts over with 11 new players.

Now that things seem to be lining up more with what I expected last year. when you have the resumes of guys like Dooley, Chillious, and Roccaforte are on staff and essentially their team, I think we should have some optimism.

I've always said top 120ish RPI/NET where our basketball budget and attendance kind of hoovers around is my baseline expectations until we up those things, anything more would gravy to me.

The Seton Hall guy has never had to deal with an ECU program recruits in the mid Atlantic before. I think in the future he will see one with a lot more teeth.

He’s certainly not wrong in calling out ECU and Tulane for what they have been, it was just unnecessary. Does he realize how many programs could look down on Seton Hall the way he did with those two? The list would be really really long.
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Who the hell cares about Seton Hall anyway. Seton Hall....sounds like a clothing store.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:36 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).

temple would be out voted for a program like vill...they can block st joes not vill

"the future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim."
its the exact opposite, even your AD said that..

he said its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8, and that there is likely a spot for the top g5...
he just said that its 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didnt want to build a future on that. especially when theyd likely be playing a bama level team yearly as the lowest seed

uconn didnt think they ever be the best g5, in your ADs words football is just an event to hang out..
vill who is currently undefeated in football i doubt would have the same kind of mentality

the BE new tv deal is in 4.5 years, playoff expansion likely around there aswell... depending how both playout and how many members we have, i wouldn't rule out anything

If our AD said that its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8 (please provide a link to him saying that as I must have missed it) then why would he also say that it is 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didn't want to build a future on that. If the playoff were expanding for sure, then I am betting that we wouldn't have been so quick to leave the AAC (even though we realistically would never be playing in it). The money from the AAC school that would play in it would have been a benefit to everyone in the conference.

Also, when did our AD say that "football is just an event to hang out at". Please provide a link to it. He came from Auburn before he got to UConn, so that would surprise me.

Villanova doesn't currently have the same mentality on football as they are undefeated. At the FBS level, they would be getting their doors blown off weekly and would likely be as discouraged as we are.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
I guess "we are better at basketball than Tulane" is all they have to hang their hat on. Why us? We should be an afterthought.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:29 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:01 PM)MU in MKE Wrote:  So are people upset that Tulsa, ECU, Tulane aren't that exciting of a prospect for New England HS players... or are we just upset that a coach of a BE school jokingly pointed it out?

I'm just not seeing why everyone is up in arms. I don't get upset when people (rightfully) point out how DePaul has been a dumpster fire in recent years. They've struggle to break the top 100 in various rankings for quite a few years now... if they don't want to be the butt of jokes, they need to strive to do better.

he could have said houston, smu or memphis.. he was very deliberate in his choice of teams, joke or not..

we all know what he meant, lets not act like he was making a clean distance joke

also you're smart, you should know why the aac would be upset about this... if vill joined the aac (they do want fbs football).. and tulsa coach (on a good year) was making stating thats vill can recruit better in the AAC now that they don't have to play depaul and seton hall anymore ...youd see the offense in that

it patronizing when people try to pretend they dont see something thats obvious and trying to call others out for seeing the obvious


I don't think it was a distance thing at all. It definitely had to do with the quality of program and excitement (or lack there of) they bring.

StillJonesing take is a good one. It's realistic, and has an optimism I can appreciate.

Quality of Program???? Huh I'd argue that Tulsa isn't too far of in terms of history from Seton Hall, and I'd say we're better than the likes of Creighton or DePaul.

Traditionally, SMU has had worse basketball program than Tulsa as have UCF, USF, Tulane, and ECU,
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(10-11-2019 11:53 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 10:58 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard on UConn’s return to the Big East: “I can’t tell recruits now, ‘You know what it’s like to play at Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa and those places?’ That doesn’t work anymore”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college...879877002/

Yeah, they get powers like DePaul, St John's & Georgetown instead with winter trips to Neb as an added bonus.

You should take Gtown out of this. A couple of bad years does not a program make.

Agreed. Georgetown as a program has earned the right to be bad some years and still be considered a premier program. They have basketball history, location, and brand on their side (and Georgetown as an institution is an academic powerhouse).

Georgetown was a cool area to see. Great vibe. They had these long rows of houses where one of them was only like 7 ft. wide I want to say. Close by the famous 'Exorcist Steps' from the movie. Someone said it was the narrowest house in the US I believe.

Edit: I'm excited. I found an article on that house in Georgetown. It is 8.1 ft wide.

http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish...house-tour
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:36 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).

temple would be out voted for a program like vill...they can block st joes not vill

"the future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim."
its the exact opposite, even your AD said that..

he said its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8, and that there is likely a spot for the top g5...
he just said that its 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didnt want to build a future on that. especially when theyd likely be playing a bama level team yearly as the lowest seed

uconn didnt think they ever be the best g5, in your ADs words football is just an event to hang out..
vill who is currently undefeated in football i doubt would have the same kind of mentality

the BE new tv deal is in 4.5 years, playoff expansion likely around there aswell... depending how both playout and how many members we have, i wouldn't rule out anything
Temple and all schools in all conferences have essential veto power. There is no way in hell Nova would be voted in to the American. If 12 American schools wanted Rice for example to increase our Texas academics, and Houston said no, Rice would not get in. Quite honestly I don’t believe Nova wants to be here anyway.
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RE: OT: Seton Hall coach taking shots at AAC (Tulsa, ECU, Tulane)
(10-11-2019 02:35 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:36 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).

temple would be out voted for a program like vill...they can block st joes not vill

"the future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim."
its the exact opposite, even your AD said that..

he said its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8, and that there is likely a spot for the top g5...
he just said that its 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didnt want to build a future on that. especially when theyd likely be playing a bama level team yearly as the lowest seed

uconn didnt think they ever be the best g5, in your ADs words football is just an event to hang out..
vill who is currently undefeated in football i doubt would have the same kind of mentality

the BE new tv deal is in 4.5 years, playoff expansion likely around there aswell... depending how both playout and how many members we have, i wouldn't rule out anything

If our AD said that its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8 (please provide a link to him saying that as I must have missed it) then why would he also say that it is 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didn't want to build a future on that. If the playoff were expanding for sure, then I am betting that we wouldn't have been so quick to leave the AAC (even though we realistically would never be playing in it). The money from the AAC school that would play in it would have been a benefit to everyone in the conference.

Also, when did our AD say that "football is just an event to hang out at". Please provide a link to it. He came from Auburn before he got to UConn, so that would surprise me.

Villanova doesn't currently have the same mentality on football as they are undefeated. At the FBS level, they would be getting their doors blown off weekly and would likely be as discouraged as we are.

heres is the podcast where he talks about the landscape of college football after uconn left the aac ..
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/455-the-h...-47253111/

he thinks the playoff will expand and see it as almost a certainty, he thinks the g5 will have a spot...he doesnt want to build a future around 1 spot for all 65 g5 teams...especially when that spot will likely be against the #1 seed.

(note in the thread we tlked bout this, i noted how defeatist that was. simply winning the aac {in your own control} will have you the top g5 85% of the time)

i think its also the same interview (might be wrong) when he talks about uconn being more of a recreational thing for fans...that uconn fans see football as an event to hang, arent really obsessed with top level winning, they just have to win enough and the the fans will show..that the purpose of football to you guys .
(it might b in part one of that interview: the link is just part 2..if its the wrong interview let me know. i dont feel like re-listening)
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(10-11-2019 02:40 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Temple and all schools in all conferences have essential veto power. There is no way in hell Nova would be voted in to the American. If 12 American schools wanted Rice for example to increase our Texas academics, and Houston said no, Rice would not get in. Quite honestly I don’t believe Nova wants to be here anyway.

1) houston doesnt care if we have rice in the conference, we voted rice into cusa..

2) this is a a billion dollar industry, if we had a chance at vill and what theyd represent for the league in basketball and money aspect..i dont see a way a single progrm would stop that...ie been in way to many business room to think anyone is passing that up, like we are a league with options and money

- if a&m randomly left the SEC.. and they wanted into the aac..it doesnt matter how much houston protested, their 120k fans per game will be in the aac

3) i agree they dont want to be here now, my analogy was if the landscape changes (like playoff)..and the value of their new tv deal in the future could alter their opinion
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(10-11-2019 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  
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(10-11-2019 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 01:36 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Villanova could never join the AAC for FBS football as Temple would (rightfully) block their inclusion in a nanosecond to protect their football recruiting advantage in PA.

I am pretty sure that Villanova does not want FBS football any longer. If they couldn't get their house in order to join the Big East in football when the Big East was a BCS league at that time, what would be their motivation to upgrading now? The future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim. Not that the AAC hasn't earned it (they have), but the P5 will keep hording all the money. I would think that the cost of upgrading to FBS for Villanova wouldn't be ever be recouped with the long term expenses of FBS football. They are better off being a big fish in a less expensive FCS than a struggling program in FBS (the same could be argued for UConn at this point).

temple would be out voted for a program like vill...they can block st joes not vill

"the future likelihood of the AAC getting a guaranteed NY6 bowl and access to the playoffs is slim."
its the exact opposite, even your AD said that..

he said its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8, and that there is likely a spot for the top g5...
he just said that its 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didnt want to build a future on that. especially when theyd likely be playing a bama level team yearly as the lowest seed

uconn didnt think they ever be the best g5, in your ADs words football is just an event to hang out..
vill who is currently undefeated in football i doubt would have the same kind of mentality

the BE new tv deal is in 4.5 years, playoff expansion likely around there aswell... depending how both playout and how many members we have, i wouldn't rule out anything

If our AD said that its almost certain the playoff will expand to 8 (please provide a link to him saying that as I must have missed it) then why would he also say that it is 1 spot for 65 teams, and he didn't want to build a future on that. If the playoff were expanding for sure, then I am betting that we wouldn't have been so quick to leave the AAC (even though we realistically would never be playing in it). The money from the AAC school that would play in it would have been a benefit to everyone in the conference.

Also, when did our AD say that "football is just an event to hang out at". Please provide a link to it. He came from Auburn before he got to UConn, so that would surprise me.

Villanova doesn't currently have the same mentality on football as they are undefeated. At the FBS level, they would be getting their doors blown off weekly and would likely be as discouraged as we are.

heres is the podcast where he talks about the landscape of college football after uconn left the aac ..
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/455-the-h...-47253111/

he thinks the playoff will expand and ees it as almost a certainty, he thinks the g5 will have a spot...he doesnt want to build a future around 1 spot for all 65 g5 teams...especially when that spot will likely be against the #1 seed.

(note in the thread we tlked bout this, i noted how defeatist that was. simply winning the aac {in your own control} will have you the top g5 85% of the time)

i think its also the same interview (might be wrong) when he talks about uconn being more of a recreational thing for fans...that uconn fans see football as an event to hang, arent really obsessed with top level winning, they just have to win enough and the the fans will show..that the purpose of football to you guys .
(it might b in part one of that interview: the link is just part 2..if its the wrong interview let me know. i dont feel like re-listening)

Thanks for clarifying. I know the quote you mean now about it being recreational for the fans. Our football fan base is mostly there for the tailgate alone, unfortunately. Even when we were better, fans still didn't care about being in their seats for kickoff. That is almost unheard of at most FBS schools. Now that we are terrible, people are just there to drink.

If the playoff does expand, it wouldn't matter to UConn as we were never winning the AAC. Seriously. I just don't see how UConn ever could have out recruited the schools in this league (and this league is currently playing football on a level at par or better than the ACC).
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