https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/10/lib...more-free/

<note-same is true with Iran>

"A section of foreign policy realists has written a lot about why a U.S. rivalry with China is inevitable. In the liberal idealist heydays of the 1990s, when the Clinton administration was paving the way for “normalizing” China through the World Trade Organization, the conventional wisdom was that once the U.S. market was open to China, everything would fall into place, and the power of the market and capitalism would lead to the spread of human rights, democracy, and rule of law.

This liberal idealism, which is enormously common and often comes up in strategic talks, is needless to mention naïve and utopian. Nevertheless, it was the conventional wisdom that China, due to the burden of its global responsibilities, would become a responsible stakeholder and global citizen through greater market access.


A few conservatives and a section of the foreign policy realists warned that would never happen because the history of great powers suggests otherwise....


Even though China is nominally Marxist, it also has a Confucian cultural backbone, and “within that system, Confucianism still lends a respect for hierarchy and authority among individual Chinese, whereas American culture is increasingly about the dismantling of authority in favor of devotion to the individual,” said Kaplan. “Confucian societies worship old people; Western societies worship young people...."


Consider this. If the Soviets were not autarkic and could enjoy the benefits of free trade with the West, do you think America or the West would have enjoyed the technological advantage it had during the 1980s? The answer is no.

American businesses would have outsourced all the jobs to cheap Soviet labor, and the USSR would have simply ripped off the technical knowhow and intellectual property, while maintaining the advantage of the iron core discipline of the Soviet state. This is exactly what China is doing: benefiting from Western trade and hollowing out Western manufacturing, while maintaining a hawk’s devotion to the pursuit of great power and glory.



China is a threat, but far bigger threats are the woke corporatists who would sell their mother for the market. Footballers and female soccer players can take a knee against the American flag, but they’re silent and self-censorious about any atrocity in Hong Kong.

Apple can silently delete the Taiwan flag emoji to appease its overlords in Beijing. Google can refuse to work with the Pentagon, while helping Beijing implement the strongest secretive surveillance state. Hollywood actors can stop working in the Southern states because local abortion laws hurt their feelings, but they have no problem prostituting themselves for the vast Chinese market despite actual concentration camps in Xinjiang. This is the logical extreme of the free-market dogma, which is a dogma because it has forgotten that sometimes the market should be subservient to national interest...."

who is the largest foreign debt holder???

hint:

https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

(10-10-2019 10:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

I could write a book on it....I simply don't want to...however, yes (1) is the answer to your posit....

#numberThrives

(10-10-2019 10:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

China has never, even at the height of its relations with the Bush and Clinton administration, ever given an inch on human rights. I knew a former Chinese Communist who came to the states to pursue her art. Her mother came to visit and was baptized. When she returned to China she had to keep it a secret as the crackdown on Christianity had already begun and any church not licensed by the state was in violation of law. Churches here pretended that China was being tolerant but those who actually lived there told a vastly different story. Loss of jobs, imprisonment, or disappearing were all a possibility.

Meanwhile military folks I knew were watching the constant buildup and realizing what a potential problem they would be with the intellectual property they were stealing from us.

It's true that ancestor worship and reverence for the elderly exists there, but so too in Japan. And yet the Japanese culture is quite hospitable. The problem is the marriage of authoritarianism with reverence for the aged because most communist party leaders there are old and do stress a rigid order. Life is cheap so anyone who poses the possibility of being a problem to the state is dealt with.

However, I must stand in some awe and shock of how the Chinese government handles drugs and drug dealers. If caught selling to the people of China there is no arrest, there is no trial, but there is an execution on the spot for dealing.

Now mix that with a racial purity code built on that of the Nazis that is part of this particular regime and a specially tasked group of men who are single and have been desensitized to the killing of women and children, and the warnings that have been given to Chinese to keep their bloodlines pure and there is a much darker underbelly to relations with China than anything the media here cares to report about.

Dealing with China while they are building artificial islands in an effort to expand their territorial waters, at a time when such action is threatening long held allies in Japan and South Korea and by extension Australia and New Zealand's long range security, and considering that we could be dealing with a regime as abhorrent as Hitler's was, should indeed open eyes everywhere. But nobody is painting the whole picture of China and that's where California's High Tech companies are selling everyone's human rights short. IMO they are treasonous in their dealings that could be at the expense of our citizens, and definitely in defiance of our foreign policy.

Permitting China to reach parity with us in Space would be a fatal mistake. Nukes on Nukes are not feasible, so if our technological advantage is neutralized that leaves only conventional warfare and quite frankly that numbers game becomes problematic without escalating to weapons systems we might not wish to use.

Right now were fine and hold he advantage. But as we trade with them we are only feeding the Dragon that may one day devour us.

(10-10-2019 11:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 10:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

China has never, even at the height of its relations with the Bush and Clinton administration, ever given an inch on human rights. I knew a former Chinese Communist who came to the states to pursue her art. Her mother came to visit and was baptized. When she returned to China she had to keep it a secret as the crackdown on Christianity had already begun and any church not licensed by the state was in violation of law. Churches here pretended that China was being tolerant but those who actually lived there told a vastly different story. Loss of jobs, imprisonment, or disappearing were all a possibility.

Meanwhile military folks I knew were watching the constant buildup and realizing what a potential problem they would be with the intellectual property they were stealing from us.

It's true that ancestor worship and reverence for the elderly exists there, but so too in Japan. And yet the Japanese culture is quite hospitable. The problem is the marriage of authoritarianism with reverence for the aged because most communist party leaders there are old and do stress a rigid order. Life is cheap so anyone who poses the possibility of being a problem to the state is dealt with.

However, I must stand in some awe and shock of how the Chinese government handles drugs and drug dealers. If caught selling to the people of China there is no arrest, there is no trial, but there is an execution on the spot for dealing.

Now mix that with a racial purity code built on that of the Nazis that is part of this particular regime and a specially tasked group of men who are single and have been desensitized to the killing of women and children, and the warnings that have been given to Chinese to keep their bloodlines pure and there is a much darker underbelly to relations with China than anything the media here cares to report about.

Dealing with China while they are building artificial islands in an effort to expand their territorial waters, at a time when such action is threatening long held allies in Japan and South Korea and by extension Australia and New Zealand's long range security, and considering that we could be dealing with a regime as abhorrent as Hitler's was, should indeed open eyes everywhere. But nobody is painting the whole picture of China and that's where California's High Tech companies are selling everyone's human rights short. IMO they are treasonous in their dealings that could be at the expense of our citizens, and definitely in defiance of our foreign policy.

Permitting China to reach parity with us in Space would be a fatal mistake. Nukes on Nukes are not feasible, so if our technological advantage is neutralized that leaves only conventional warfare and quite frankly that numbers game becomes problematic without escalating to weapons systems we might not wish to use.

Right now were fine and hold he advantage. But as we trade with them we are only feeding the Dragon that may one day devour us.

the board and bored should read this at least thrice.....

(10-11-2019 06:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 11:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 10:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

China has never, even at the height of its relations with the Bush and Clinton administration, ever given an inch on human rights. I knew a former Chinese Communist who came to the states to pursue her art. Her mother came to visit and was baptized. When she returned to China she had to keep it a secret as the crackdown on Christianity had already begun and any church not licensed by the state was in violation of law. Churches here pretended that China was being tolerant but those who actually lived there told a vastly different story. Loss of jobs, imprisonment, or disappearing were all a possibility.

Meanwhile military folks I knew were watching the constant buildup and realizing what a potential problem they would be with the intellectual property they were stealing from us.

It's true that ancestor worship and reverence for the elderly exists there, but so too in Japan. And yet the Japanese culture is quite hospitable. The problem is the marriage of authoritarianism with reverence for the aged because most communist party leaders there are old and do stress a rigid order. Life is cheap so anyone who poses the possibility of being a problem to the state is dealt with.

However, I must stand in some awe and shock of how the Chinese government handles drugs and drug dealers. If caught selling to the people of China there is no arrest, there is no trial, but there is an execution on the spot for dealing.

Now mix that with a racial purity code built on that of the Nazis that is part of this particular regime and a specially tasked group of men who are single and have been desensitized to the killing of women and children, and the warnings that have been given to Chinese to keep their bloodlines pure and there is a much darker underbelly to relations with China than anything the media here cares to report about.

Dealing with China while they are building artificial islands in an effort to expand their territorial waters, at a time when such action is threatening long held allies in Japan and South Korea and by extension Australia and New Zealand's long range security, and considering that we could be dealing with a regime as abhorrent as Hitler's was, should indeed open eyes everywhere. But nobody is painting the whole picture of China and that's where California's High Tech companies are selling everyone's human rights short. IMO they are treasonous in their dealings that could be at the expense of our citizens, and definitely in defiance of our foreign policy.

Permitting China to reach parity with us in Space would be a fatal mistake. Nukes on Nukes are not feasible, so if our technological advantage is neutralized that leaves only conventional warfare and quite frankly that numbers game becomes problematic without escalating to weapons systems we might not wish to use.

Right now were fine and hold he advantage. But as we trade with them we are only feeding the Dragon that may one day devour us.

the board and bored should read this at least thrice.....

Well we agreed in principle today to nix some of the tariffs and to resume trade with China. Naturally the news sent the markets higher. But reiterated in the press conference was that this move was agreed to in part for the protection of World Peace. Not one damned reporter asked why? The upshot was pretty easy to decipher. The U.S. had closed the vice on the Chinese's nuts when it came to food for their people and markets for their products and they screamed first. What concerns me is how they screamed. If World Peace is the reason for this tacit trade agreement the details of which will be worked out over the next 5 weeks then what exactly did China threaten to do?

If it is Hong Kong being peacefully or ruthlessly assimilated that is hardly a matter that affects world peace since China owns them anyway.

I strongly suspect that they threatened to expand their sphere of influence in the South China Sea and possibly threatened stability in South Korea and possibly Japan, two allies that would immediately draw the U.S. into a shooting war with China even if the conflict started in a contained area.

This put Trump in an awkward position. Call them and risk a war before the election, or acquiesce, buy time, and plot a strategy post 2020? He chose the latter.

The left will criticize Trump for this and the right, as I am, will be disappointed. But, I think he's made the only move he can at this time and besides nothing is set in stone yet. But Trump gets a 50 billion dollar trade deal for the farmers alone, the Chinese get to sell us more crap and have agreed to try to avoid intellectual property theft, and so far there's no Hueway. So China relents temporarily on cyber espionage via Hueway, they wink at intellectual property theft which they will continue to do, Trump gets his farmers a windfall, and Korea and Japan are safe for now, and perhaps Hong Kong as well.

Still it should be noted that there was contained within all of this either an implied or direct threat from the Chinese. We must put in place within a year or two a plan for dealing with them from a position of strength with regard to South Korea and Japan. The Dragon raised its head this time to get what it wanted with just enough window dressing to make the President come across as a peacemaker and businessman before next year's election. Besides what else could he do? If he started deeper hostilities with China the Dems would have won as snowflakes everywhere would have been terrified and then we would have had the weakest hand possible to play against what is fast becoming a mortal enemy.

It reminds me of the situation Longshanks found himself in as portrayed in Mel Gibson's Braveheart. If he sends his son (think Biden or Warren) to discuss terms with Wallace (think China) it would only encourage their plans to invade.

So the POTUS did the only thing he can do right now. I'll judge him with regard to China on how he spends 2021-4 preparing for their next round with us.

(10-11-2019 06:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 06:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 11:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-10-2019 10:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://theweek.com/articles/870388/chin...capitalism

"...Hollywood and basketball are drops in the bucket. The scope and scale of America's dependence upon China in everything from textiles to advanced computing technology and military hardware is beyond description. This arrangement — and China's widespread theft of American intellectual property — will continue for the foreseeable future, as will the acquiescence of our politicians and their quasi-formal counterparts in business in whatever the Chinese authorities demand....


It is more than possible to imagine an authoritarian capitalist version of the United States, in which the public value of various companies continues to increase at a pace deemed acceptable by economists, in which cheap goods continue to be distributed and purchased and an ever-expanding array of services to be procured at a marginally higher rate than in the previous year, in which billions of hours are spent by the population collectively enjoying various forms of digital entertainment, in which certain low-level political controversies are the subject of widespread gossip but anyone who questions the first-order principles of the regime — numbers going up on a screen somewhere, seemingly for their own sake — is at best dismissed as a crank.

It is, likewise, easy to imagine that in such a country millions of people would be immiserated. Some would exist more or less as non-citizens, deprived by computer programs of opportunities for housing and employment but still allowed to participate in commerce and amuse themselves with screens. Others would suffer even more, but ignoring their plight would be universally understood as a quasi-official duty. They would be, at worst, statistics that we consider for a moment before manipulating our devices in order to make stars or hearts appear beside an image.

If all this sounds plausible it is because I am, in fact, describing the country in which we already live...."

China has never, even at the height of its relations with the Bush and Clinton administration, ever given an inch on human rights. I knew a former Chinese Communist who came to the states to pursue her art. Her mother came to visit and was baptized. When she returned to China she had to keep it a secret as the crackdown on Christianity had already begun and any church not licensed by the state was in violation of law. Churches here pretended that China was being tolerant but those who actually lived there told a vastly different story. Loss of jobs, imprisonment, or disappearing were all a possibility.

Meanwhile military folks I knew were watching the constant buildup and realizing what a potential problem they would be with the intellectual property they were stealing from us.

It's true that ancestor worship and reverence for the elderly exists there, but so too in Japan. And yet the Japanese culture is quite hospitable. The problem is the marriage of authoritarianism with reverence for the aged because most communist party leaders there are old and do stress a rigid order. Life is cheap so anyone who poses the possibility of being a problem to the state is dealt with.

However, I must stand in some awe and shock of how the Chinese government handles drugs and drug dealers. If caught selling to the people of China there is no arrest, there is no trial, but there is an execution on the spot for dealing.

Now mix that with a racial purity code built on that of the Nazis that is part of this particular regime and a specially tasked group of men who are single and have been desensitized to the killing of women and children, and the warnings that have been given to Chinese to keep their bloodlines pure and there is a much darker underbelly to relations with China than anything the media here cares to report about.

Dealing with China while they are building artificial islands in an effort to expand their territorial waters, at a time when such action is threatening long held allies in Japan and South Korea and by extension Australia and New Zealand's long range security, and considering that we could be dealing with a regime as abhorrent as Hitler's was, should indeed open eyes everywhere. But nobody is painting the whole picture of China and that's where California's High Tech companies are selling everyone's human rights short. IMO they are treasonous in their dealings that could be at the expense of our citizens, and definitely in defiance of our foreign policy.

Permitting China to reach parity with us in Space would be a fatal mistake. Nukes on Nukes are not feasible, so if our technological advantage is neutralized that leaves only conventional warfare and quite frankly that numbers game becomes problematic without escalating to weapons systems we might not wish to use.

Right now were fine and hold he advantage. But as we trade with them we are only feeding the Dragon that may one day devour us.

the board and bored should read this at least thrice.....

Well we agreed in principle today to nix some of the tariffs and to resume trade with China. Naturally the news sent the markets higher. But reiterated in the press conference was that this move was agreed to in part for the protection of World Peace. Not one damned reporter asked why? The upshot was pretty easy to decipher. The U.S. had closed the vice on the Chinese's nuts when it came to food for their people and markets for their products and they screamed first. What concerns me is how they screamed. If World Peace is the reason for this tacit trade agreement the details of which will be worked out over the next 5 weeks then what exactly did China threaten to do?

If it is Hong Kong being peacefully or ruthlessly assimilated that is hardly a matter that affects world peace since China owns them anyway.

I strongly suspect that they threatened to expand their sphere of influence in the South China Sea and possibly threatened stability in South Korea and possibly Japan, two allies that would immediately draw the U.S. into a shooting war with China even if the conflict started in a contained area.

This put Trump in an awkward position. Call them and risk a war before the election, or acquiesce, buy time, and plot a strategy post 2020? He chose the latter.

The left will criticize Trump for this and the right, as I am, will be disappointed. But, I think he's made the only move he can at this time and besides nothing is set in stone yet. But Trump gets a 50 billion dollar trade deal for the farmers alone, the Chinese get to sell us more crap and have agreed to try to avoid intellectual property theft, and so far there's no Hueway. So China relents temporarily on cyber espionage via Hueway, they wink at intellectual property theft which they will continue to do, Trump gets his farmers a windfall, and Korea and Japan are safe for now, and perhaps Hong Kong as well.

Still it should be noted that there was contained within all of this either an implied or direct threat from the Chinese. We must put in place within a year or two a plan for dealing with them from a position of strength with regard to South Korea and Japan. The Dragon raised its head this time to get what it wanted with just enough window dressing to make the President come across as a peacemaker and businessman before next year's election. Besides what else could he do? If he started deeper hostilities with China the Dems would have won as snowflakes everywhere would have been terrified and then we would have had the weakest hand possible to play against what is fast becoming a mortal enemy.

It reminds me of the situation Longshanks found himself in as portrayed in Mel Gibson's Braveheart. If he sends his son (think Biden or Warren) to discuss terms with Wallace (think China) it would only encourage their plans to invade.

So the POTUS did the only thing he can do right now. I'll judge him with regard to China on how he spends 2021-4 preparing for their next round with us.

I read it all...if you believe in capitalism and growing the USD, that's the crux!

the msm rhetorical bs can kmlfwa (kiss my lily fk'n white arse)...they only deserve sarcasm at best now....

Its hard to get much news with all the fake MSM conspiracy theories. But yes, this partial deal is very important.

(10-12-2019 03:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its hard to get much news with all the fake MSM conspiracy theories. But yes, this partial deal is very important.

b/c it creates incentive and moves USD/investment both ways...

how foik don't understand the 'why' is beyond my ability to understand....

nevermind, it's not....

#sheeple

(10-12-2019 04:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-12-2019 03:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its hard to get much news with all the fake MSM conspiracy theories. But yes, this partial deal is very important.

b/c it creates incentive and moves USD/investment both ways...

how foik don't understand the 'why' is beyond my ability to understand....

nevermind, it's not....

#sheeple

Seems part of the strategy to be developed is to have a near-term goal to remove as much American manufacturing and business with/from China and reallocate/relocate the overseas stuff distributed among countries surrounding China over there, and bring more back home to our shores to improve/rebuild our own manufacturing capabilities. The rare minerals dilemma brought to light by the recent Greenland purchase discourse needs to ultimately be addressed. Alberta, Canada wants US statehood, since they basically pay for the majority of the rest of Canada's bloated socialist government. Offer it to them and bring those resources to the US (and the Flames back as well!)

Upshot: America cannot afford to rely for strategic resources and manufacturing capabilities on our enemies. Rebuild US steel in Birmingham, AL and Allatoona, GA and use it to build the wall on our southern border for a start...it's strategic in so many ways.