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Temple is holding an open team scrimmage Saturday, and a subsequent closed scrimmage against Georgetown at home on October 26th.

Having lost starter Shizz Alston, Temple’s best player and scorer, and Ern Aflakpui, Temple’s starting Center and leading rebounder, some fans are skeptical about this season, I’m not.

I say this for a variety of reasons: 1) Temple’s new HC has invigorated the program and instilled Temple players with a new confidence that they can succeed and be a very good team. 2) Temple has four new players in James Scott, D.Dunn, A.Parks, and JPL, who have the potential to make Temple a far better tea than last season, and 3) Even though Temple has a 23-10 record, Temple can improve as some returning players were under utilized and not integrated into the offense as much as they should have been. As JP Moorman, D.Moore, J. Hamilton, and A.Moore, all very good shooters, but did not shoot as often as they should have. Am hopeful with HC McKie stressing that players find the open man, these players will shoot more often. 4) Also, D.Moore has reportedly significantly upped their games over the summer.
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(10-10-2019 10:02 PM)Miggy Wrote:  With the season rapidly approaching, and Temple holding an open scrimmage Saturday, and holding a secret scrimmage with Georgetown on Temple’s home court on October 26th, and at the suggestion of JedClampett on the AAC message board, let’s discuss Temple’s men’s bb. Go Owls!

While some fans are unsure if Temple has improved since last season, having lost starters Shizz Alston, Temple’s best player and high scorer, and also Erm Aflakpui, Temple’s starting Center and leading rebounder, I’m not.

I say this for a variety of reasons: 1) Temple’s new HC has invigorated the program and instilled Temple players with new confidence that they can succeed and be a very good team.

2) Temple has three new players in James Scott, D.Dunn, and JPL, who have the potential to make Temple a far better team (more on this in subsequent posts) and

3) Even though Temple had a very good record (23-10) last season, Temple under utilized and did not integrate into the offense enough, some very good shooters who simply did not shoot often enough.

Moorman, D.Moore, Hamilton, and A.moore make-up this grip. Am hopeful with HC McKie stressing for players to find the open man, these players will shoot Moore often, and shoot as least as well as they did last season in conference play.

4) Certain players like D.Moore and others have significant upped their games over the summer.
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(10-10-2019 10:25 PM)Miggy Wrote:  [quote='Miggy' pid='16361577' dateline='1570762956']
With the season rapidly approaching, and Temple holding an open scrimmage Saturday, and holding a secret scrimmage with Georgetown on Temple’s home court on October 26th, and at the suggestion of JedClampett on the AAC message board, let’s discuss Temple’s men’s bb. Go Owls!

While some fans are unsure if Temple has improved since last season, having lost starters Shizz Alston, Temple’s best player and high scorer, and also Erm Aflakpui, Temple’s starting Center and leading rebounder, I’m not.

I say this for a variety of reasons: 1) Temple’s new HC has invigorated the program and instilled Temple players with new confidence that they can succeed and be a very good team.

2) Temple has three new players in James Scott, D.Dunn, and JPL, who have the potential to make Temple a far better team (more on this in subsequent posts) and

3) Even though Temple had a very good record (23-10) last season, Temple under utilized and did not integrate into the offense enough, some very good shooters who simply did not shoot often enough.

Moorman, D.Moore, Hamilton, and A.moore make-up this grip. Am hopeful with HC McKie stressing for players to find the open man, these players will shoot Moore often, and shoot as least as well as they did last season in conference play.

4) Certain players like D.Moore and others have significant upped their games over the summer.




Ok - I'll respond point by point:



1) Temple’s new HC has invigorated the program and instilled Temple players with new confidence that they can succeed and be a very good team.

I agree on this point. Beyond invigorating and boosting confidence, I think there is another important factor, which may be equally or more important. With McKie at the helm, Temple teams may again develop their sense of identity, which was a key to their success during the John Chaney years. If you had followed the team during that era, you would have known what the team's sense of identity was.

I can only describe the team's identity during that era as being as you put it, a "blue collar" sensibility. Temple teams were often described as being "workmanlike" in their approach, with a high level of determination. The key to their identity was that they identified with the historical mission of Temple, the "acres of diamonds" approach of the founder, Russell Conwell, the mission of helping young people with disadvantaged incomes to move up in the world and strive to better themselves.


2) Temple has three new players in James Scott, D.Dunn, and JPL, who have the potential to make Temple a far better team (more on this in subsequent posts).

Agree, but with Dunn's injury and JPL's sketchy play in Puerto Rico, I have the gut feeling that they may not work their way into the rotation until mid-season.


3) Even though Temple had a very good record (23-10) last season, Temple under utilized and did not integrate into the offense enough, some very good shooters who simply did not shoot often enough.

Moorman, D.Moore, Hamilton, and A.moore make-up this grip. Am hopeful with HC McKie stressing for players to find the open man, these players will shoot Moore often, and shoot as least as well as they did last season in conference play.

Agree about Moorman and Damion. Moorman often passed up taking a shot when he was open on the perimeter. He needs to put up a shot, I think, every time he gets the ball and can see the basket.

In Damion's case, he just needs to play more minutes with greater confidence that he isn't going to get the quick hook from the bench whenever he makes a mistake. As I see it, Damion should be Temple's Patrick Ewing or Mutumbo on the court (i.e., Temple's Godzilla or King Kong). Not overly aggressive, but just dominant, using his size for interior position and a slightly intimidating roadblock on the pathway to the basket.

In Alani's case, I see him as a role player who brings Senior experience into the back court when it is most needed for about 12 mpg. I would like to see Dunn be Rose's primary back up and JPL probably backing up NPL, although Perry will probably also play some minutes at the wing, which could limit Dunn's playing time. Possibly, among the guars, JPL will get the fewest minutes this season, unless someone gets injured.

Hamilton is the most perplexing player on the team, as I see it. I believe Temple needs him as a Center, not a PF. That is unfortunate, to the extent that Hamilton either doesn't have the skill set of a Center or is reluctant to play as a Center. Yes, Hamilton is a very potent scorer, but he has played long stretches when opponents scored or rebounded wantonly against him. This is why it's probably crucial for Damion to play as many minutes as his foot can bear at the Center position.

I see Hamilton as the kind of athlete who can be a major shot-blocker, but for some reason, he hardly blocked any shots last season. Blocking 3 shots per game and altering some other shots could really make a huge difference for the team.


4) Certain players like D.Moore and others have significant upped their games over the summer.

[/i]Glad to hear it.

I think JP Moorman needs to improve his game significantly, and hope he is improving.

My enduring image of Moorman is that of a Pillsbury Dough Boy, too slow, carrying too many extra pounds. He needs to get tougher, leaner, and more athletic. He also needs to be totally focused on winning and becoming a leader on the team, because in the past, it sometimes seemed that playing was too much of a lark. Not that he was lollygagging, but he has not played with enough determination and hasn't been workmanlike enough thus far.

Perry was also very disappointing last season. It often seemed that he didn't know where he was supposed to be on the court, as if he was part wing and part PF, and had some confusion - was he a SF/wing or a PF? I'm not sure if he can learn to function as a PF when he's on the court as a PF and how to function as a wing when he's on the court as a wing. If he can't master both positions, then perhaps he should only play as a PF from now on. I don't think he is as capable to play the wing position as the team needs him to be. The team only has 5 "big men" including Perry, and so I think he should focus on playing the PF position. But he is too short to be the starting PF in my view, and can only be an effective PF by utilizing his high energy level to overcome the height differential.[/i]
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5) Another factor is that Cincinnati and Houston will not likely be as good as they were last season when they finished 1-2 in the AAC.

Cincinnati won’t for two reasons. They have a new coach and a new system. Second, Jarron Cumberland is hurt and I believe has not practiced. Hard to have a new offense run smoothly when your best player has not practiced. And while the new HC is a good one, his prior team committed two many turnovers, unlike HC Cronin’s Cincy teams. Expect Cincy’s turnover advantage margin to be extinguished, which will result in Cincy losing scoring opportunities, and opponents gaining scoring opportunities which is a far cry from last season.

Houston is losing scoring as Davis, Brooks and Robinson, having departed., The three averaged 16-three’s per game that they shot at a high percentage. Without Kansas 5-star Grimes being declared eligible to play (it’s pending), I can’t see Houston scoring 77 ppg as they did in conference play. Houston’s defense will still be quite good..
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(10-10-2019 11:23 PM)Miggy Wrote:  5) Another factor is that Cincinnati and Houston will not likely be as good as they were last season when they finished 1-2 in the AAC.

Cincinnati won’t for two reasons. One have a new coach and a new system. Second, Jarron Cumberland is hurt and I believe has not practiced as year. Hard to have new offense run smoothly when your best player has not practiced. And while the new HC is a good one, his prior team committed two many turnovers, unlike HC Cronin’s Cincy teams. Expect Cincy’s turnover advantage margin to be extinguished, which will result in Cincy losing scoring opportunities, and opponents gaining scoring opportunities which is a far cry from last season.

Houston is losing lots of scoring from last year by Davis, Brooks and Robinson. The three took over 16 three’s per game that they shot at a high percentage. Without Kansas 5-star Grimes being declared eligible to play (it’s pending), I can’t see Houston scoring 77 ppg as they did in conference play. Houston’s defense will still be quite good..

Regarding Cincy, I don't know if you saw the video preview of the AAC season, but he really convinced me that Cincy is going to have some major obstacles due to injuries, player turnover, and new HC.

So you may be right. Temple might be able to earn a split with Cincy, though I'm skeptical that they could sweep the Bearcats. I also think that we might be able to split the series with Wichita. But to beat Cincy and WSU on our home floor, our guys will have to give a 100% effort.

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Regarding Houston, I think that they may be among the top 3 AAC teams, due to having one of the most experienced & savvy coaches in Sampson.

However, we only play Houston at the LC, and I agree with you that Temple could win that game if they make an all-out effort like they did last season.

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Regarding Memphis, I don't think Temple could beat them at home or on the road without using a very effective zone defense. We only play them once, @ Memphis, and I fear a demoralizing blowout, but that's what we get for being in the same conference with an upper tier team.

I agree with you - got to slow down the tempo against Memphis and play very tough defense, the way Temple's opponent shut our offense down in the first round of the NCAA last season. Zone.

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Altogether, I think the competition in the upper tier of the AAC is going to be tougher, not easier than it was last season. We only beat USF by 1 point in both games last season, and they return most of their best players.

Temple is going to have to play scrappy, tough basketball to finish among the top 4 or 5 teams in the conference, in my view.



On the other hand, when you break it down, I think Temple should split the 4 games with Memphis, UCF, Houston, and USF (teams we only play once).

Temple should be able to sweep most of its games against Tulane, ECU, SMU and Tulsa, hopefully going 8-0, 7-1, or 6-2 in these games.

I see splits with USF, UConn, Wichita (hopefully), & Cincy (hopefully).

This to me is an optimistic set of predictions. It would result in a conference record of 14-4 (very optimistic), 13-5, or 12-6. Temple was 13-5 last season. I would be very happy if Temple could finish with a 13-5 record, and think that 12-6 may be more likely.

OOC: It's a fairly rigorous schedule, and we usually lose 2 Big 5 games, due to the "Big 5" rivalry factor. We may play 12 or 13 OOC games, depending on whether the Owls advance in their tournament.

If we play 13 OOC games, I think Temple may be fortunate to go 9-4 in their OOC schedule. Really don't see them winning more than 9 OOC games. If they do, I will be very pleasantly surprised. An 8-5 record seems more likely.

Putting that together, I would see temple as being anywhere between a 20 and 22 win team during the regular season.

Given that we have no idea how good of a tournament game coach McKie will be this season, I would err on the conservative side and guess that with 20-22 wins, Temple will probably end up in the NIT tournament, unless their SOS (Strength of Schedule) is high enough to get them a top 50 NET ranking.

The fascinating thing to watch is not so much how many games the team wins, but how the develops and plays in its first season under Coach McKie.

I'm going to give him a "grace" year, and consider the season a minor success if Temple can win 20 games, especially if they can win a post-season game or two. It would be a major success simply to get an NCAA invitation, since that would probably give recruiting a bit of a boost going forward.

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If we could find some way to bring some guys like "Oregon" and "Carib" over to this board, without calling attention to guys like "Abraxen," it would be great to see it happen.x
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There’s one major point I omitted that might change your view as to how Temple will perform this season.

In the Bahamas, Temple showed glimpses of the pressure half-court extended defense that they are capable of playing. We didn’t see this last season-Temple’s trapping, players stealing dribbles and intercepting passes. Such defense was so effective that opponents could hardy run their offensive plays. Don’t think any other AAC team has as many players who can play like that.

Temple’s aggressive players are Rose, Nate, Scott, Josh, D.Dunn, and Perry. Defensively, they were all 5-star players. I have no idea how often Temple intends to play like that, but when they do, it should be a game changer.

I think McKie is considering playing Alani and Scott at PG, and I suspect that Josh may play some at PG as well. I do think that Scott should be Temple’s starting PG.

Josh is a freakish athlete with incredible hops, way more so than his brother Nate, if you can even imagine that. He’s very aggressive. When he’s on the court you can’t take your eyes off of him. Do think he’ll be playing from the outset, and will compete to be Temple’s starting PG.

I know JPL can get to the rim, but unsure as to whether he’s a decent shooter. In an interview on the Owlscoop broadcast, Rose said he was. Will see for him play this Saturday in Temple’s open scrimmage.

My two concerns about Josh is that he plays full speed the entire time he’s on the court, and such leads him at times into poor decisions that leads to unnecessary turnovers. I also fear he may foul too much because of his aggressiveness.

What I suspect is that HC McKie is trying to figure-out what players play best with each other.

Each returning player should be given a clean slate. It’s too early to speculate what positions players should play, or playing time.

D.Moore is almost a completely new player. He’s displayed a variety of inside low-post moves that will leave fans wondering if he’s the same player they saw the last few years. Same on defense, as he’s making a concerted effort to move his feet quickly. Hope he plays well, and continues to rarely commit fouls.

With Moorman mostly shooting three’s and having shot three’s at 41 percent last season, he needs to shoot more often than he did last season. Statistically his defense was very good, and his offensive rating was very high, and Temple a wide scoring margin per 100 possessions when he played. He needs to be an essential part of Temple’s offense if Temple is to win more games than last season.

Hamilton is a good three-point shooter who needs to shoot them when he plays. If so, when we play Memphis it will force Wiseman away from the hoop to guard him. Same for other bigs on other AAC teams as well.

As for Damion Dunn, i’ll try to find out Saturday whether he’ll be back fromHis foot injury in time to start the season. In many ways, although a freshman, he plays like a wily Temple veteran, as he plays smartly, and within himself. You can’t speed him up so he’ll make mistakes. He needs to play. Since he’s a tremendous rebounder, and Rose is not, I do suspect that he’ll sub-in for Rose, and should.

On offense, Dunn’s is Temple’s best mid-range jump shooter off the dribble. He literally can’t be stopped and hardy ever misses. He’ shoots under control, and with balance. Watching him is like watching a someone playing horse in the backyard, and not missing. No need for him to shoot three’s, that’s how good a two-point shooter he is.

I was of the view that Scott had to be in Temple’s starting line-up as the PG for Temple to get out of the gate eel in games. But no longer think that. If Josh starts, I like Scott coming off the bench and playing with Alani, D.Dunn, Moorma or Perry, and Hamilton. That’s a devastating second unit. Fully expect Scott to have a lot of assists, as well as score. But, if Temple does not get off to good starts, he should move into the starting line-up, or if it’s obvious before the season starts that he should,I hope the change is made.

Unlike last season, I fully expect Temple to shoot a higher percentage on two’s than opponents do, and to score more points as well per game. Like last season, Temple should be cause more turnovers via steals, which will lead to easy baskets on the other end of the court.

Also, Temple’s good returning two-point shooters, like D.Moore and J. Hamilton will hopefully shoot more. So, Temple’s two-point shoot percentage should rise from the 49.8 percent Temple shot on two’s in conference play.

In the Bahamas, I saw a glimmer of hope that Temple has a chance to deuce conference opponents from shooting 52.2 percent on two’s from the field. As in Temple’s first and third games, when Temple played almost entirely with rotation rotation players, Temple held their opponent in the first game to shooting only 43.4 percent on two’s, and only 33.8 percent on two’s in the third game.

Am concerned about replacing Alston 8 three’s per game in conference games. Not worried that Temple will average more than the 33 percent Alston on three’s in conference play, as Moorman, Alani, Hamilton, and Scott are all better three-point shooters. Also, expect Rose to shoot a higher percentage on three’s (34 percent) as he did last year in conference play.,Just hope that Scott, Moorman, Hamilton, Rose, and Alani shoot enough three’s to compensate for Alston’s departure.

For those who are cautious about the up-coming season because Alston and Ern are gone, consider that when Scott played on the second unit, the second unit beat Temple’s first unit way more than they lost.

So given Temple’s improvement on offense and defense, I do think Temple is the best team in the AAC, and am optimistic they will demonstrate that on the court.
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(10-11-2019 07:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:  There’s one major point that I omitted that might change your view as to how Temple will perform this season.

In the Bahamas, Temple showed glimpses into the pressure half-court extended defense that they are capable of playing. We didn’t see this last season.Temple’s traps, players stealing dribbles, and intercepting passes, It was so effective that opponents could hardy run their offensive plays, as Temple was stealing balls and causing turnovers. I’ve never seen this before in college ball. Don’t think any other AAC has so many players who can play like that.

The players who did this were Rose, Nate, Scott, Josh, D.Dunn, and Perry. Defensively, they were all 5-star players. I have no idea how often Temple intends to play like that. But, when they do, it will be a game changer.

I think McKie is considering playing Josh and Alani at PG. I suspect Scott may play some at the PG as well, but regardless, do expect him to get lots of assists.

Josh is a freakish athlete with incredible hops, way more so than his brother Nate, if you can even imagine that. has tremendous speed and aggressiveness. When he’s on the court you can’t take your eyes off him at times given how he plays. Do think he’ll be playing from the putset, and will compete to be Temple’s starting PG.

I know he can get to the rim, but have been unsure of whether he’s a decent shooter. In an interview on the Owlscoop broadcast, Rose said he was. Want to see for myself when I see him play this Saturday.

My two concerns about Josh is that he plays full speed the entire time he is on the court and such leads at times to poor decision-making that leads to unnecessary turnovers. I also fear
he may foul too much because of his aggressiveness. Whether McKie is considering him starting is not known.

What I suspect is that HC McKie is trying to figure out is what players play best with each other.

I think you should give each returning player a clean slate. It’s too early to speculate what positions players should play, or playing time. Should trust the HC judgment on what he see’s. .
D.Moore is almost a completely new player. He’s displayed a variety of inside low-post moves that will leave wondering if he’s the same player you saw the last few years. Same on defense as it seems he’s making a concerted effort to move his feet quickly. Just hope he plays well, and continues to rarely commit fouls.

With Moorman mostly shooting three’s and shooting them Stb 41 percent, he needs to be on the court, and to shoot much better than he did. His defense statistically was very good, but given that his offensive rating was so high, and it created a wide scoring margin per 100 possessions, he’San extremely important part of Temple’s success, and can be even more so, if he shoots more.

Hamilton is a deadly three-point shooter who needs to shoot them when he plays. If so, when we play Memphis it will force Wiseman away from the hoop to guard him. Same for other bigs on other AAC teams as well.

As for Damion Dunn, i’ll try to find out Saturday whether he’ll be back in time to start the season. In many ways, when he plays, he seems like a wily Temple veteran, not an incoming freshman, as he plays smartly, and within himself. You can’t speed him up so he’ll make mistakes. He needs to play. Since he’s a tremendous rebounder, and Rose is not, I do suspect that he’ll sub-in for Rose, and should.

On offense, Dunn’s is Temple’s best mid-range jump shooter off his dribble. He literally can’t be stopped and hardy ever misses. He’ shoots completely under control with balance. Watching him is like me watching a someone playing horse in the backyard, and not missing. No need for him to shoot three’s, that’s how good a two-point shooter he is.

I was of the view that Scott had to be in Temple’s starting line-up as the PG for Temple to get out of the gate in games. But no longer think that. If Josh starts, I like him playing with Alani, D.Dunn, Moorman, or Perry. And Hamilton. That’s a devastating second unit. Fully expect Scott to have a lot of assists, as well as score. But, if Temple does not get off to good starts, he should move into the starting line-up, or if it’s obvious before the season starts that he should,,I hope the change is made.

Fully expect Temple to shoot a higher percentage on two’s than opponents do, unlike last season, and to score more points as well per game, because Temple will cause more turnovers via steals, which will lead to easy baskets on the other end of the court. Also, Temple’s good returning two-point shooters, like D.Moore and J. Hamilton will hopefully shoot more. So, Temple’s two-point shoot percentage should rise from the 49.8 percent Temple shot on two’s in conference play.

In the Bahamas, I saw a glimmer of hope that Temple has a chance to deuce conference opponents from shooting 52.2 percent on two’s from the field. As in Temple’s first and third games, when Temple played almost entirely with players, who will be in Temple’s rotation, Temple held their opponent in the first game to shooting only 43.4 percent on two’s, and only 33.8 percent on two’s in the third game.

Am concerned about replacing Alston 8 three’s per game in conference games. Not worried that Temple will average more than the 33 percent Alston on three’s in conference play, as Moorman, Alani, Hamilton, and Scott are all better three-point shooters. Also, expect Rose to shoot a higher percentage on Three’s (3; percent) than he did last year in conference play.,Just hope that Scott, Moorman, Hamilton, Rose, and Alani shoot enough three’s to compensate for Alston’s departure.

For those who are cautious about the up-coming season because Alston and Ern are gone, consider that when Scott played on the second unit, the second unit beat Temple’s first unit way more than they lost.

So given Temple’s improvement on offense and defense, I do think Temple is the best team in the AAC, and am optimistic they will demonstrate that on the court.

Lots of very interesting stuff here. THANK YOU!

Too much to follow up on in a single response.

The fact that the second unit won most of the scrimmages blows my mind, and sure, it certainly comes as good news!

I guess the second unit was probably made up of Scott (SG), Alani (PG), Perry (W), Hamilton (PF) and Damion ©.

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Totally surprised at your more recent report on JPL. I had a totally different impression weeks back after the Bahamas scrimmages, like me might not be ready for prime-time yet.

Well, if JPL is going to be part of the playing rotation, I don't see McKie using anything less than a 11 man rotation in average games (against
average competition).

Definitely grasp the fact that JPL might be one of Temple's top 5 defenders. But if he's showing a strong offensive game, by all means, bring him into the regular player rotation.

This is what Greg Marshall is famous for - playing a 10 or 11 man rotation even in NCAA tournament games. I think that's a great way to go with a team of mostly 3 star players, few of whom are nationally known. That was how Marshall achieved greatness with a group of relatively unknown, but capable players.

If McKie admires Marshall's style of play as much as I do, and is prepared to emulate the deep rotation model, I could envision Temple going toe to toe with the best teams in the conference, possibly even Memphis.

All I know is that McKie has said he plans to run a quick tempo team. This suggests to me using almost a "hockey style" approach with "lines" of players coming into the game all at once, with fresh legs, to wear out the opposing team's starting unit.

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My first reaction to the pressure half court defense is that the lineup used is definitely a small lineup.

Glad to hear that McKie is considering using such "shut down" units to generate turnovers, stop runs by other teams, etc.

This is the kind of innovation that we've rarely seen at Temple in recent years.

The one concern I have about this lineup is that it should probably only be used for a few minutes at a time, particularly when the team needs to catch up and take a lead at pivotal moments in a game.

I don't think we have good man to man defenders in the interior defense, and the high quality teams will exploit the hell out of this if they get the chance.

There may be few indications of teaching the players to play a zone defense, but my prediction for the season would be a ceiling of 20 wins if McKie doesn't utilize a zone D to supplement the half-court pressure defense.

McKie, fortunately, knows all of the best John Chaney zone defenses, mostly known as matchup zones, developed by Coach Litwack in the 50's (Temple also played zone in its 1938 NIT nat'l championship game). Until Dunphy came along, Temple was always a zone D team.

In its most abstract form, when the guys learned to play it well, it was something that I thought of as an "amoeba" defense. It totally discombobulated a bunch of teams and was a key factor in Chaney's NCAA tournament successes.

I gather that McKie wants an up-tempo game, though, and haven't seen any signs he is inclined to use a 3-2 or 2-3 zone, a matchup zone, a triangle and two (2-3 matchup zone).

What I am saying is that - fine - go with a high tempo offense - but combine that with a stifling defense most of the way.

My proposed plan:

1. Switch defenses frequently to keep opponents off balance.

2. Seems most likely to start games with a man defense, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly.

3. If the man D gets the job done for a whole game, fine.

4. But if tougher opponents exploit gaps in the man D, it is imperative to shift the defense.

5. Can switch to the high pressure half-court D, but once again, if this is a small lineup, can only do this for a few minutes at a time. Not sure we have enough defensive depth to maintain a pressure D for more than a few minutes.

6. I think McKie needs another option. Pressure defense only works for minutes. For Temple to beat the best AAC teams, the Owls might have to execute an excellent zone defense at least periodically.

7. A step further: I would predict that McKie's overall success at Temple, going forward, is going to be much greater if he can master the art of teaching players to use multiple defenses (not two, but at least three different defensive schemes.


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(10-11-2019 07:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:  There’s one major point that I omitted that might change your view as to how Temple will perform this season.

In the Bahamas, Temple showed glimpses into the pressure half-court extended defense that they are capable of playing. We didn’t see this last season.Temple’s traps, players stealing dribbles, and intercepting passes, It was so effective that opponents could hardy run their offensive plays, as Temple was stealing balls and causing turnovers. I’ve never seen this before in college ball. Don’t think any other AAC has so many players who can play like that.

The players who did this were Rose, Nate, Scott, Josh, D.Dunn, and Perry. Defensively, they were all 5-star players. I have no idea how often Temple intends to play like that. But, when they do, it will be a game changer.

I think McKie is considering playing Josh and Alani at PG. I suspect Scott may play some at the PG as well, but regardless, do expect him to get lots of assists.

Josh is a freakish athlete with incredible hops, way more so than his brother Nate, if you can even imagine that. has tremendous speed and aggressiveness. When he’s on the court you can’t take your eyes off him at times given how he plays. Do think he’ll be playing from the putset, and will compete to be Temple’s starting PG.

I know he can get to the rim, but have been unsure of whether he’s a decent shooter. In an interview on the Owlscoop broadcast, Rose said he was. Want to see for myself when I see him play this Saturday.

My two concerns about Josh is that he plays full speed the entire time he is on the court and such leads at times to poor decision-making that leads to unnecessary turnovers. I also fear
he may foul too much because of his aggressiveness. Whether McKie is considering him starting is not known.

What I suspect is that HC McKie is trying to figure out is what players play best with each other.

I think you should give each returning player a clean slate. It’s too early to speculate what positions players should play, or playing time. Should trust the HC judgment on what he see’s. .
D.Moore is almost a completely new player. He’s displayed a variety of inside low-post moves that will leave wondering if he’s the same player you saw the last few years. Same on defense as it seems he’s making a concerted effort to move his feet quickly. Just hope he plays well, and continues to rarely commit fouls.

With Moorman mostly shooting three’s and shooting them Stb 41 percent, he needs to be on the court, and to shoot much better than he did. His defense statistically was very good, but given that his offensive rating was so high, and it created a wide scoring margin per 100 possessions, he’San extremely important part of Temple’s success, and can be even more so, if he shoots more.

Hamilton is a deadly three-point shooter who needs to shoot them when he plays. If so, when we play Memphis it will force Wiseman away from the hoop to guard him. Same for other bigs on other AAC teams as well.

As for Damion Dunn, i’ll try to find out Saturday whether he’ll be back in time to start the season. In many ways, when he plays, he seems like a wily Temple veteran, not an incoming freshman, as he plays smartly, and within himself. You can’t speed him up so he’ll make mistakes. He needs to play. Since he’s a tremendous rebounder, and Rose is not, I do suspect that he’ll sub-in for Rose, and should.

On offense, Dunn’s is Temple’s best mid-range jump shooter off his dribble. He literally can’t be stopped and hardy ever misses. He’ shoots completely under control with balance. Watching him is like me watching a someone playing horse in the backyard, and not missing. No need for him to shoot three’s, that’s how good a two-point shooter he is.

I was of the view that Scott had to be in Temple’s starting line-up as the PG for Temple to get out of the gate in games. But no longer think that. If Josh starts, I like him playing with Alani, D.Dunn, Moorman, or Perry. And Hamilton. That’s a devastating second unit. Fully expect Scott to have a lot of assists, as well as score. But, if Temple does not get off to good starts, he should move into the starting line-up, or if it’s obvious before the season starts that he should,,I hope the change is made.

Fully expect Temple to shoot a higher percentage on two’s than opponents do, unlike last season, and to score more points as well per game, because Temple will cause more turnovers via steals, which will lead to easy baskets on the other end of the court. Also, Temple’s good returning two-point shooters, like D.Moore and J. Hamilton will hopefully shoot more. So, Temple’s two-point shoot percentage should rise from the 49.8 percent Temple shot on two’s in conference play.

In the Bahamas, I saw a glimmer of hope that Temple has a chance to deuce conference opponents from shooting 52.2 percent on two’s from the field. As in Temple’s first and third games, when Temple played almost entirely with players, who will be in Temple’s rotation, Temple held their opponent in the first game to shooting only 43.4 percent on two’s, and only 33.8 percent on two’s in the third game.

Am concerned about replacing Alston 8 three’s per game in conference games. Not worried that Temple will average more than the 33 percent Alston on three’s in conference play, as Moorman, Alani, Hamilton, and Scott are all better three-point shooters. Also, expect Rose to shoot a higher percentage on Three’s (3; percent) than he did last year in conference play.,Just hope that Scott, Moorman, Hamilton, Rose, and Alani shoot enough three’s to compensate for Alston’s departure.

For those who are cautious about the up-coming season because Alston and Ern are gone, consider that when Scott played on the second unit, the second unit beat Temple’s first unit way more than they lost.

So given Temple’s improvement on offense and defense, I do think Temple is the best team in the AAC, and am optimistic they will demonstrate that on the court.

Lots of very interesting stuff here. THANK YOU!

Too much to follow up on in a single response.

The fact that the second unit won most of the scrimmages blows my mind, and sure, it certainly comes as good news!

I guess the second unit was probably made up of Scott (SG), Alani (PG), Perry (W), Hamilton (PF) and Damion ©.

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Totally surprised at your more recent report on JPL. I had a totally different impression weeks back after the Bahamas scrimmages, like me might not be ready for prime-time yet.

Well, if JPL is going to be part of the playing rotation, I don't see McKie using anything less than a 11 man rotation in average games (against
average competition).

Definitely grasp the fact that JPL might be one of Temple's top 5 defenders. But if he's showing a strong offensive game, by all means, bring him into the regular player rotation.

This is what Greg Marshall is famous for - playing a 10 or 11 man rotation even in NCAA tournament games. I think that's a great way to go with a team of mostly 3 star players, few of whom are nationally known. That was how Marshall achieved greatness with a group of relatively unknown, but capable players.

If McKie admires Marshall's style of play as much as I do, and is prepared to emulate the deep rotation model, I could envision Temple going toe to toe with the best teams in the conference, possibly even Memphis.

All I know is that McKie has said he plans to run a quick tempo team. This suggests to me using almost a "hockey style" approach with "lines" of players coming into the game all at once, with fresh legs, to wear out the opposing team's starting unit.

============================================

My first reaction to the pressure half court defense is that the lineup used is definitely a small lineup.

Glad to hear that McKie is considering using such "shut down" units to generate turnovers, stop runs by other teams, etc.

This is the kind of innovation that we've rarely seen at Temple in recent years.

The one concern I have about this lineup is that it should probably only be used for a few minutes at a time, particularly when the team needs to catch up and take a lead at pivotal moments in a game.

I don't think we have good man to man defenders in the interior defense, and the high quality teams will exploit the hell out of this if they get the chance.

There may be few indications of teaching the players to play a zone defense, but my prediction for the season would be a ceiling of 20 wins if McKie doesn't utilize a zone D to supplement the half-court pressure defense.

McKie, fortunately, knows all of the best John Chaney zone defenses, mostly known as matchup zones, developed by Coach Litwack in the 50's (Temple also played zone in its 1938 NIT nat'l championship game). Until Dunphy came along, Temple was always a zone D team.

In its most abstract form, when the guys learned to play it well, it was something that I thought of as an "amoeba" defense. It totally discombobulated a bunch of teams and was a key factor in Chaney's NCAA tournament successes.

I gather that McKie wants an up-tempo game, though, and haven't seen any signs he is inclined to use a 3-2 or 2-3 zone, a matchup zone, a triangle and two (2-3 matchup zone).

What I am saying is that - fine - go with a high tempo offense - but combine that with a stifling defense most of the way.

My proposed plan:

1. Switch defenses frequently to keep opponents off balance.

2. Seems most likely to start games with a man defense, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly.

3. If the man D gets the job done for a whole game, fine.

4. But if tougher opponents exploit gaps in the man D, it is imperative to shift the defense.

5. Can switch to the high pressure half-court D, but once again, if this is a small lineup, can only do this for a few minutes at a time. Not sure we have enough defensive depth to maintain a pressure D for more than a few minutes.

6. I think McKie needs another option. Pressure defense only works for minutes. For Temple to beat the best AAC teams, the Owls might have to execute an excellent zone defense at least periodically.

7. A step further: I would predict that McKie's overall success at Temple, going forward, is going to be much greater if he can master the art of teaching players to use multiple defenses (not two, but at least three different defensive schemes.


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There's more stuff that I would like to respond to in another follow-up.


Quite a practice and scrimmage..Before getting into it, i’ll first give my impressions of players who didn’t play and then my observations on players who did play.

First, two players who were present, but did not participate, were D.Moore and D.Dunn. D.Moore will be back in a few days. Nothing serious-was glad to learn that he’s going to shoot a lot more than he ever has, and that’s a good thing as he shot 70 percent from the field, and is ready to unveil all the nifty moves he now has in his offensive arsenal. Look for him to jump from 3 fga’s to 8-10, and that’s a good thing as I doubt his shooting percentage will decline below 60 percent. That would be an upgrade in scoring from the front court.

D Dunn was wearing a boot and working out on a stationary bike. Said he wouldn’t likely be back before the season commences,l and hopes to pl by the end of November or shortly thereafter. That’s a bummer as not only is he an excellent player, but Temple really needs him.

From watching him play in the Bahamas and listening to Rose say in a podcast that Dunn simply doesn’t miss two-point jump shots. He’ll be sorely missed.

Dunn has always been a sub-par three-point shooter, mainly because his shooting form is different on two’s than it is for three’s.At practice, Dunn was told why and how he could improve his three-point shooting. So during the break, he walked out onto the court wearing his boot, and promptly proceeded to drain 9-10 three’s. He walked off the court and was muttering “cash”’to himself, with a big smile on his face, as if he had won the lottery.

Dunn is one of my favorite players as he plays with a maturity on the court way beyond him being a freshman. He’s a heady player who makes few mistakes on either side of the ball. Just plays the game correctly. Can shoot, rebound, and defend. When healthy, he needs to play a lot. Terrific under the radar signee by HC McKie. Dunn’s a winner.
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Players who were impressive today:

1. JP Moorman. Was deadly shooting three’s, and shot a good number of them. Last season, Moorman also shot mostly three’s and shot three’s at 41 percent for the season. 42.4,percent on three’s in conference play. Needs to dive to hoop more as he shot 80 percent near the rim last year.,

UConn’s Christian Vidal was considered the best three-point shooter in the conference because he shot more three’s, but Vidal shot three’s at 40 percent in conference play. He needs to play and shoot a lot this season. Regardless of any defensive deficiencies if he shoots often he’s going to do much better than his counterpart.

2. Hamilton was terrific offensively today. Hit his mid-range and three-point shots. Would have liked to see him drive to the hoop which he does well. Not involving him more in the offense
Lis a crime as he’s a terrific shooter. Still needs lots of work rebounding. Used his quickness to
to steal a pass into the high-post. Like to se that more.

3.Dre Perry is fully recovered from his knee injury. Hit his three’s today and played well. Needs to drive to the hoop. Does it well.,

4. James Scott: Shot three’s ok, but didn’t go to the hoop as much as he should have. Made nice crisp passes on perimeter, and rebounded a shot, and threw a laser pass the length of the court to a cutting Temple player for an easy hoop.

5. Alani Moore: Ran the team well and picked up where he left off last year shooting three’s very well. Missed a few because he changed his shooting form on some three’s.Such was brought to his attention, and realizes what he needs to do. Look for him to shoot even better going forward.
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I’m sure everyone wants to learn more about JPL. This is what I observed. It appeared that HC McKie and JPL were not on the same page, and HC McKie made that clear at times during the scrimmages.

My sense that as a PG, HC McKie wanted JPL to distribute the ball to the good shooters on the team, and for him to refrain from shoot jumpers. That seemed justified by how JPL shot in warm-ups.

Did appear that McKie had confidence in JPL in driving to the hoop, and JPL did that well

But, JPL did seem to play with an attitude, and seemed to wear his feelings in his sleeve, that he was not a happy camper. He has a lot of confidence in himself. Do believe he thinks he should be the starting PG, but it seems he needs lots of development before that should happen.

He needs to work on his dribbling as he was called for carrying the ball. His defense was solid and I was pleased that he didn’t foul to much which freshman often do.

Appeared tunneled vision on one fast break he led asxhe had James Scoot right in front of him with no one between him and the hoop, but instead chose to pass the ball to Rose on his left side, who had a man guarding him who was directly in front of him. That was odd.

Sense that McKie has put too much time getting JPL ready to play, but it’s my view,he’s nowhere ready to play, and should not.
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(10-12-2019 05:17 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(10-12-2019 12:46 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 07:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:  There’s one major point that I omitted that might change your view as to how Temple will perform this season.

In the Bahamas, Temple showed glimpses into the pressure half-court extended defense that they are capable of playing. We didn’t see this last season.Temple’s traps, players stealing dribbles, and intercepting passes, It was so effective that opponents could hardy run their offensive plays, as Temple was stealing balls and causing turnovers. I’ve never seen this before in college ball. Don’t think any other AAC has so many players who can play like that.

The players who did this were Rose, Nate, Scott, Josh, D.Dunn, and Perry. Defensively, they were all 5-star players. I have no idea how often Temple intends to play like that. But, when they do, it will be a game changer.

I think McKie is considering playing Josh and Alani at PG. I suspect Scott may play some at the PG as well, but regardless, do expect him to get lots of assists.

Josh is a freakish athlete with incredible hops, way more so than his brother Nate, if you can even imagine that. has tremendous speed and aggressiveness. When he’s on the court you can’t take your eyes off him at times given how he plays. Do think he’ll be playing from the putset, and will compete to be Temple’s starting PG.

I know he can get to the rim, but have been unsure of whether he’s a decent shooter. In an interview on the Owlscoop broadcast, Rose said he was. Want to see for myself when I see him play this Saturday.

My two concerns about Josh is that he plays full speed the entire time he is on the court and such leads at times to poor decision-making that leads to unnecessary turnovers. I also fear
he may foul too much because of his aggressiveness. Whether McKie is considering him starting is not known.

What I suspect is that HC McKie is trying to figure out is what players play best with each other.

I think you should give each returning player a clean slate. It’s too early to speculate what positions players should play, or playing time. Should trust the HC judgment on what he see’s. .
D.Moore is almost a completely new player. He’s displayed a variety of inside low-post moves that will leave wondering if he’s the same player you saw the last few years. Same on defense as it seems he’s making a concerted effort to move his feet quickly. Just hope he plays well, and continues to rarely commit fouls.

With Moorman mostly shooting three’s and shooting them Stb 41 percent, he needs to be on the court, and to shoot much better than he did. His defense statistically was very good, but given that his offensive rating was so high, and it created a wide scoring margin per 100 possessions, he’San extremely important part of Temple’s success, and can be even more so, if he shoots more.

Hamilton is a deadly three-point shooter who needs to shoot them when he plays. If so, when we play Memphis it will force Wiseman away from the hoop to guard him. Same for other bigs on other AAC teams as well.

As for Damion Dunn, i’ll try to find out Saturday whether he’ll be back in time to start the season. In many ways, when he plays, he seems like a wily Temple veteran, not an incoming freshman, as he plays smartly, and within himself. You can’t speed him up so he’ll make mistakes. He needs to play. Since he’s a tremendous rebounder, and Rose is not, I do suspect that he’ll sub-in for Rose, and should.

On offense, Dunn’s is Temple’s best mid-range jump shooter off his dribble. He literally can’t be stopped and hardy ever misses. He’ shoots completely under control with balance. Watching him is like me watching a someone playing horse in the backyard, and not missing. No need for him to shoot three’s, that’s how good a two-point shooter he is.

I was of the view that Scott had to be in Temple’s starting line-up as the PG for Temple to get out of the gate in games. But no longer think that. If Josh starts, I like him playing with Alani, D.Dunn, Moorman, or Perry. And Hamilton. That’s a devastating second unit. Fully expect Scott to have a lot of assists, as well as score. But, if Temple does not get off to good starts, he should move into the starting line-up, or if it’s obvious before the season starts that he should,,I hope the change is made.

Fully expect Temple to shoot a higher percentage on two’s than opponents do, unlike last season, and to score more points as well per game, because Temple will cause more turnovers via steals, which will lead to easy baskets on the other end of the court. Also, Temple’s good returning two-point shooters, like D.Moore and J. Hamilton will hopefully shoot more. So, Temple’s two-point shoot percentage should rise from the 49.8 percent Temple shot on two’s in conference play.

In the Bahamas, I saw a glimmer of hope that Temple has a chance to deuce conference opponents from shooting 52.2 percent on two’s from the field. As in Temple’s first and third games, when Temple played almost entirely with players, who will be in Temple’s rotation, Temple held their opponent in the first game to shooting only 43.4 percent on two’s, and only 33.8 percent on two’s in the third game.

Am concerned about replacing Alston 8 three’s per game in conference games. Not worried that Temple will average more than the 33 percent Alston on three’s in conference play, as Moorman, Alani, Hamilton, and Scott are all better three-point shooters. Also, expect Rose to shoot a higher percentage on Three’s (3; percent) than he did last year in conference play.,Just hope that Scott, Moorman, Hamilton, Rose, and Alani shoot enough three’s to compensate for Alston’s departure.

For those who are cautious about the up-coming season because Alston and Ern are gone, consider that when Scott played on the second unit, the second unit beat Temple’s first unit way more than they lost.

So given Temple’s improvement on offense and defense, I do think Temple is the best team in the AAC, and am optimistic they will demonstrate that on the court.

Lots of very interesting stuff here. THANK YOU!

Too much to follow up on in a single response.

The fact that the second unit won most of the scrimmages blows my mind, and sure, it certainly comes as good news!

I guess the second unit was probably made up of Scott (SG), Alani (PG), Perry (W), Hamilton (PF) and Damion ©.

============================================

Totally surprised at your more recent report on JPL. I had a totally different impression weeks back after the Bahamas scrimmages, like me might not be ready for prime-time yet.

Well, if JPL is going to be part of the playing rotation, I don't see McKie using anything less than a 11 man rotation in average games (against
average competition).

Definitely grasp the fact that JPL might be one of Temple's top 5 defenders. But if he's showing a strong offensive game, by all means, bring him into the regular player rotation.

This is what Greg Marshall is famous for - playing a 10 or 11 man rotation even in NCAA tournament games. I think that's a great way to go with a team of mostly 3 star players, few of whom are nationally known. That was how Marshall achieved greatness with a group of relatively unknown, but capable players.

If McKie admires Marshall's style of play as much as I do, and is prepared to emulate the deep rotation model, I could envision Temple going toe to toe with the best teams in the conference, possibly even Memphis.

All I know is that McKie has said he plans to run a quick tempo team. This suggests to me using almost a "hockey style" approach with "lines" of players coming into the game all at once, with fresh legs, to wear out the opposing team's starting unit.

============================================

My first reaction to the pressure half court defense is that the lineup used is definitely a small lineup.

Glad to hear that McKie is considering using such "shut down" units to generate turnovers, stop runs by other teams, etc.

This is the kind of innovation that we've rarely seen at Temple in recent years.

The one concern I have about this lineup is that it should probably only be used for a few minutes at a time, particularly when the team needs to catch up and take a lead at pivotal moments in a game.

I don't think we have good man to man defenders in the interior defense, and the high quality teams will exploit the hell out of this if they get the chance.

There may be few indications of teaching the players to play a zone defense, but my prediction for the season would be a ceiling of 20 wins if McKie doesn't utilize a zone D to supplement the half-court pressure defense.

McKie, fortunately, knows all of the best John Chaney zone defenses, mostly known as matchup zones, developed by Coach Litwack in the 50's (Temple also played zone in its 1938 NIT nat'l championship game). Until Dunphy came along, Temple was always a zone D team.

In its most abstract form, when the guys learned to play it well, it was something that I thought of as an "amoeba" defense. It totally discombobulated a bunch of teams and was a key factor in Chaney's NCAA tournament successes.

I gather that McKie wants an up-tempo game, though, and haven't seen any signs he is inclined to use a 3-2 or 2-3 zone, a matchup zone, a triangle and two (2-3 matchup zone).

What I am saying is that - fine - go with a high tempo offense - but combine that with a stifling defense most of the way.

My proposed plan:

1. Switch defenses frequently to keep opponents off balance.

2. Seems most likely to start games with a man defense, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly.

3. If the man D gets the job done for a whole game, fine.

4. But if tougher opponents exploit gaps in the man D, it is imperative to shift the defense.

5. Can switch to the high pressure half-court D, but once again, if this is a small lineup, can only do this for a few minutes at a time. Not sure we have enough defensive depth to maintain a pressure D for more than a few minutes.

6. I think McKie needs another option. Pressure defense only works for minutes. For Temple to beat the best AAC teams, the Owls might have to execute an excellent zone defense at least periodically.

7. A step further: I would predict that McKie's overall success at Temple, going forward, is going to be much greater if he can master the art of teaching players to use multiple defenses (not two, but at least three different defensive schemes.


============================================

There's more stuff that I would like to respond to in another follow-up.


Quite a practice and scrimmage..Before getting into i’ll first give some impressions of players who didn’t play and then my observations on players who did play.

First, Two players who were present, but did not participate were D.Moore and D.Dunn. D.Moore will be back in a few days. Nothing serious.was glad to learn that he’s going to shoot a lot more than he ever has, and that’s a good thing as he shot 70 percent from the field, and now is ready to unveil all the nifty moves he now has in his offensive arsenal. Look for him to jump from 3 fga’s to 8-10, and that’s a good thing as I doubt his shooting percentage will decline below 60 percent. That would be an upgrade in scoring from the front court.

D Dunn was still wearing a boot and working out on a stationary bike. Said he wouldn’t likely be back before season commences. Since he’ll return by the end of November or shortly thereafter. That’s a bummer as not only is he an excellent player, but Temple really needs him.

From watching him play in the Bahamas and listening to Rose say in a podcast that Dunn simply doesn’t miss two-point jump shots. He’ll be sorely missed.

Dunn has always been a sub-par three-point shooter, mainly because his shooting form is different on two’s than it is for three’s.,At practice, Dunn was told why and how he could improve his three-point shooting.

So during the break, he walked out onto the court wearing his boot, and promptly proceeded to drain 9-10 three’s. He walked off the court and was muttering “cash”’to himself, with a big smile on his face, as if he had won the lottery.,

Dunn is one of my favorite players as he plays with a maturity on the court way beyond him being a freshman. He’s a heady player who makes few mistakes on either side of the ball. Just plays the game correctly. Can shoot, rebound, and defend. When healthy, he needs to play a lot. Terrific under the radar signee by HC McKie. Dunn’s a winner.


Wow - that is a bummer about Dunn not being available until end of November, possibly December, at the earliest.

You wrote:

"Said he wouldn’t likely be back before season commences...he’ll return by the end of November or shortly thereafter."

That suggests to me that he won't be (returning to) practicing with the team until that time. Did you get the impression that was what he meant, or that he wouldn't be "returning" in the sense of playing in any games until end of November? There's a big difference between the two, as we all know.

Being a freshman, it usually takes a few weeks to work their way into the rotation as an effective player.

Given his more gradual recovery process, I'm wondering if he might not be able to play at 90% or more during the OOC schedule, or if we might not see him in action until the conference schedule begins. Of course, no one can predict these things with exactitude.

From this report, I'm going to lower my expectations for Dunn and the team for the first two months of the season. That's unfortunate, because Temple could pick up a couple of Q1 wins during that time, but it will be that much harder to do this without Dunn in the lineup.

Hopefully, JPL will seize upon this opportunity for more playing time as a back up guard. He and Alani should be able to handle the back court duties fairly well for a couple of months.

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Really concerned about Damion not being able to participate, if it suggests ongoing foot problems. Possibly, there was some other reason why he couldn't be there. You wrote "nothing serious," but if Damion is having any kind of ankle/foot discomfort, it could grow into something serious quite early in the season.

Do you have any info about how Damion is doing, physically, specifically with regard to his foot and ankle health? Thanks.
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(10-12-2019 06:45 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I’m sure everyone wants to learn more about JPL. This is what I observed. It appeared that HC McKie and JPL were not on the same page, and HC McKie made that clear at times during the scrimmages.

My sense that as a PG, HC McKie wanted JPL to distribute the ball to the good shooters on the team, and for him to refrain from shoot jumpers. That seemed justified by how JPL shot in warm-ups.

Did appear that McKie had confidence in JPL in driving to the hoop, and JPL did that well

But, JPL did seem to play with an attitude, and seemed to wear his feelings in his sleeve that he was not a happy camper. He has a lot of confidence in himself. Do believe he thinks he should be the starting PG, but he needs lots of development before that should happen.

He needs to work on his dribbling as he was called for carrying the ball. His defense was solid and I was pleased that he didn’t foul to much which freshman often do.

Appeared tunneled vision on one fast break he led as he had James Scott right in front of him with no one between him and the hoop, but instead chose to pass the ball to Rose on his left side, who had a man guarding him who was directly in front of him. That was odd.

Sense that McKie has put too much time getting JPL ready to play, but it’s my view,he’s nowhere ready to play, and should not.

Here’s my observations of NPL and Q.Rose:

1. Have very little to say about NPL, as in the intra-squad scrimmages, he did not shoot nor drive to the hoop very much nor take jump shots.

2. I expected Q.Rose to shoot as well or better on three-point jump-shots, than last season, but he did not. Seemed his shot was too flat, lacked enough arc, and he was also missing left and right of the basket, which was not a good sign. That occurred far too often, an indication that his set-up before he goes into his shot is not right. But both his set-up and shot can be corrected.

I’ll write tomorrow my overall impression the scrimmage and the team in a separate post.
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Players who were impressive today:

1. JP Moorman. Was deadly shooting three’s, and shot a good number of them. Last season, Moorman also shot mostly three’s and shot three’s at 41 percent for the season. 42.4,percent on three’s in conference play. Needs to dive to hoop more as he shot 80 percent near the rim last year.,

The question about Moorman is whether he will take twice as many shots this season. If he plays on the perimeter but only puts up 2 or 3 three point shots per game, then he's wasting his time on the perimeter. Only way it makes sense for him to play as a stretch 4 is if he takes 6 or 7 three point shots per game.

As you wrote, if Scott takes fewer threes, the team will need Moorman to make up the difference. The other guys you mentioned, such as Alani only hit about 1 three pt shot per game.

Question: What defensive stats suggested that Moorman was a solid defender last season, and how can that be squared with the fact that opponents hit 50% of their two point shots last season?

With regard to rebounding, his rebounding stats weren't terrible last season. Sometimes, on offense, he's too far from the basket to get many offensive rebounds, but that's the result of stationing himself on the perimeter on most possessions. He was a great rebounder in his first season, but had very few rebounds in a few games as a soph.



2. Hamilton was terrific offensively today. Hit his mid-range and three-point shots. Would have liked to see him drive to the hoop which he does well. Not involving him more in the offense.

Lis a crime as he’s a terrific shooter. Still needs lots of work rebounding. Used his quickness to to steal a pass into the high-post. Like to se that more.

A key question is this: How many minutes can a HC keep him on the floor if Hamilton "still needs a lot of work on rebounding?"

I'm not finding any suggestions here that Hamilton has upped his game significantly, except possibly hitting higher % of his mid-range and perimeter shots.

It sounds like he is trying to play as a PF, rather than as a Center, and that we might not see him improving much on his rebounding.

Also, if he's improved on defense, I don't see it mentioned.

In that respect, I fear that Hamilton may be a relatively one-dimensional player - - a big time scorer, but a player who is a defensive and rebounding deficit to the team. We've had players like that before - Mark Karcher springs to mind - a guy who scored a lot of points but was a weak rebounder. However, at least Karcher made up for the rebounding by playing fairly well on defense in a matchup zone D.

If Hamilton doesn't develop quickly - and that's almost immediately - he would be similar to a Mark Karcher without Karcher's capable defense. As it was, Karcher's poor rebounding had an adverse effect in many games - and he should have helped Temple make their way into a final four with all the talent they had.

Only hope I can think of, if Hamilton doesn't improve rebounding and defense very soon, is to have him playing at least part of the time in a zone defensive scheme that forces him to play close enough to the basket on defense to be able to pull down defensive boards.


3.Dre Perry is fully recovered from his knee injury. Hit his three’s today and played well. Needs to drive to the hoop. Does it well.,

Sounds like an average review. Nothing spectacular, perhaps, but there were earlier signs that he was improving, I gathered.

4. James Scott: Shot three’s ok, but didn’t go to the hoop as much as he should have. Made nice crisp passes on perimeter, and rebounded a shot, and threw a laser pass the length of the court to a cutting Temple player for an easy hoop.

Wonder what's up with that (not driving enough)? Does HC want him focusing more on perimeter shooting this season? Is his mobility limited in some way?

Heavy emphasis on his passing, which confirms the Bahama data. I really think that he is going to start as a de facto PG, even if listed as a CG. If he has any NBA potential at all, his chances would be much greater if he plays the PG position, the way that Lynn Greer II did, scoring alot from the PG position.

I don't see McKie starting JPL, a freshman, at the PG position. History has shown that it's usually a bad idea to have a starting freshman floor general. Yes, Alani was forced to do so (due to major injury to the expected starting PG), but Alani was always a "B" player in terms of statistical productivity, and that season didn't go very well.

If anyone but Scott starts at PG, it would probably be Alani, who has considerable starting experience. But Alani has never put up high D1 or NCAA Tournament quality numbers. If he plays 20 minutes, he usually only scores 5 or 6 points, gets a rebound or two, maybe two assists, and 1 or 2 steals. From a productivity standpoint, he was only half as productive, statistically, as Shizz was. What the team needs is a player who can do almost as well as Shizz, and seems to me that Scott is the only player capable of doing close to that from the PG position.


5. Alani Moore: Ran the team well and picked up where he left off last year shooting three’s very well. Missed a few because he changed his shooting form on some three’s.Such was brought to his attention, and realizes what he needs to do. Look for him to shoot even better
going forward.

Not a good sign to see a Senior missing shots and still having to work on his shooting form.

Alani's never been a bad perimeter shooter. The problem has been that, being as short as he is, it's hard for him to penetrate or get open looks at the basket against a determined defender.

Also, like Moorman, he has always been too reluctant to shoot the ball when he receives the ball and has a good look at the basket This helps explain why he only scored 5 or 6 ppg last season, despite being the only backup guard coming off the bench.

Alani does have the advantage of experience, quickness, and fairly good judgment as a backup floor general. These are offset by his short stature and modest productivity. He is a fine player to be able to rely on for limited stretches of games, giving starters a chance to rest, but not a D1 starting PG in my view.
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(10-12-2019 06:45 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I’m sure everyone wants to learn more about JPL. This is what I observed. It appeared that HC McKie and JPL were not on the same page, and HC McKie made that clear at times during the scrimmages.

My sense that as a PG, HC McKie wanted JPL to distribute the ball to the good shooters on the team, and for him to refrain from shoot jumpers. That seemed justified by how JPL shot in warm-ups.

Did appear that McKie had confidence in JPL in driving to the hoop, and JPL did that well

But, JPL did seem to play with an attitude, and seemed to wear his feelings in his sleeve, that he was not a happy camper. He has a lot of confidence in himself. Do believe he thinks he should be the starting PG, but it seems he needs lots of development before that should happen.

He needs to work on his dribbling as he was called for carrying the ball. His defense was solid and I was pleased that he didn’t foul to much which freshman often do.

Appeared tunneled vision on one fast break he led asxhe had James Scoot right in front of him with no one between him and the hoop, but instead chose to pass the ball to Rose on his left side, who had a man guarding him who was directly in front of him. That was odd.

Sense that McKie has put too much time getting JPL ready to play, but it’s my view,he’s nowhere ready to play, and should not.

These various reports on JPL present a very mixed picture, with pros and cons.

Things like being "tunnel visioned" suggests that he may not be the best option on a fast break, or that his judgment could be less than 100% at times. These raise some concerns, although he's just a freshman and might improve in these respects. Have to wait and see on that, but is he ready for prime time?

Also, trouble with dribbling again raises the "ready for prime time" question.

With everything you've written about him, I definitely agree
that "it seems he needs lots of development before" he could become a starting PG.

Another down side is that a PG needs to be a good perimeter shooter, but JPL has shown limitations in this area, being better at driving to the basket.

Also, what you wrote:

"HC McKie wanted JPL to distribute the ball to the good shooters on the team, and for him to refrain from shoot jumpers. That seemed justified by how JPL shot in warm-ups."

This suggests that some of the tension you reported may have been due to him having to alter his style of playing at the PG position. It's understandable that this could be frustrating, but if his response has been to carry a "chip on his shoulder" about it, that's not a great sign.

Overall, I honestly wonder if JPL can be much of a contributor as part of a high D1 rotation until he lets go of the resentment or "attitude," has a slice of humble pie, so to speak, and just lets the coaches guide & train him up for AAC level competition.

It sounds like he's still more of a high school player - with all the attitude that can go with it - than an impact player at the collegiate level at this point. In other words, like he's got some growing up to do.

Reading all this, I see him as the kind of guy who can come into a game in a pinch for a minute or two as a very limited role player, whose main strengths right now are his defensive prowess - useful in applying pressure defense when called for - and his ability to drive to the basket.

I do not see him as being anywhere near being able to even play as the #3 PG in Temple's rotation. To the extent that he does play, I would imagine that he might be best suited to play as the #2 SG behind his brother Nate. It could be an advantage to have one of the two Pierre-Louis brothers on the court most of the way, and JPL's offensive game seems fairly similar to NPL's. Maybe he could play a few minutes per game backing up his bro'. But even that will require him to develop enough humility to accept his role on the team.

The main positive that springs to mind that is, if McKie was able to help Allen Iverson to evolve as a player with attitude issues, he can probably get the job done with JPL, as well.
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Watching Temple’s intra-squad game, it was apparent that James Scott should replace Shizz Alston as Temple’s starting PG, backed-up by Alani Moore. That should help Temple keep turnovers down, assists up, and scoring maintained. Whether that will happen is unknown.

In the scrimmage. with freshman JPL playing at PG, coupled with the ball in Rose’s hands to distribute the ball a good bit of the scrimmage, the offense bogged down, and excessive turnovers were committed. It’s my view that Rose should not be used to distribute the ball, as he committed the most turnovers per game last year.

It’s clear to me that Scott and Alani solve the turnover problem if they share the PG position. If that doesn’t happen, not sure at all if Temple will have good win-loss as Temple needs to have few turnovers committed, and get good scoring from the PG position.

Scott, in a scrimmage earlier in the week, in 25 minutes of playing time, scored 15 points on 6-12 shooting, made three-three’s had 5 assists, and secured 3 rebounds. Very confident he’d average 6-8 assists per game if he’s Temple’s starting PG.

I couldn’t gage from the scrimmage how Temple’s rebounding will be this season. I can say no one stood out. Was hoping to see more from Hamilton, but didn’t. Parks played but my attention was not drawn to him. Temple will face a big Georgetown front court this coming Saturday, and that should tell us more about Temple’s offense, defense and rebounding. Hopefully D.Moore will play.

What struck me yesterday is that Temple has a number of players that shoot three’s well including Moorman, Alani, Scott, Hamilton, Rose, Perry, and Nate. Dunn may join the mix as well when he returns to play. Do think that Temple will shoot more fga’s as three’s. Want to see Moorman and Alani shoot more three’s as they shot 3’s at a whooping 42.4 percent in conference play last season.

Do want to see Both Moorman should shoot way more than he did last season as his Total Shooting Percentage (TSP) is very high. Hamilton and Alani should shoot more often as well. Temple getting more balanced scoring, offensive fire power from it’s front court, will make the entire team so much better.

Do think Moorman should start over Perry. If so, Temple will still have good players with Hamilton, Perry and Alani coming off the bench and Dunn to when he returns.

Do hope Scott is in the starting line-up. Can’t see the offense running well without him, but even if Alani starts, and Scott comes off the bench, want to see Scott sub-in for him.

One thing I didn’t see yesterday was back-cut’s from the weak side that would lead to easy hoops for Rose, Moorman, Hamilton, and Perry, near the hoop.

Do expect D. Moore minutes to go from 10 to 25 or more minutes per game. As such he should take most of the fga’s that Ern shot last year, and that’s a good thing.

Until Dunn returns Perry, should sub-in for Rose. When Dunn comes back he needs to spell Rose. He!s a solid replacement as he shoots and rebounds well.

The defense by both squads looked good, but we’ll learn more more from the Georgetown scrimmage. Both defenses made it very difficult for either offense to get to the rim, and that’s a very good sign to see as Temple’s biggest weakness last season was it’s porous defense at the rim.

Both Forrester and Strickland played in the scrimmage, but neither stood out. Strickland did have a nifty drive to the hoop. He can hit the three-ball, but was off yesterday. Forrester is a very active player, and can run the court, but plays out of control. Was told that after the scrimmage. Neither have cleared waivers to play this year.
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Here’s the ratings of Temple players returning per 100 possessions in conference play.

A player’s offensive rating reflects the number of points Temple scored per 100 possessions when that player was on the court. The higher the points scored, the better.

The defensive rating for a players represents the number of points Temple’s opponents scored with a particular player on the court per 100 hundred possessions. The lower the players rating the better defender Is.

A wider positive scoring margin between the offensive and defensivec the better the players performance was.

D.Moore, Off. 138.9. Def. 99.9

JP. Moorman Off. 120.7. Def. 101.8

Justyn Hamilton Off. 113.3 Def. 104.3

Alani Moore. Off. 111.1. Def. 104.3

Nate Pierre-Louise. Off. 108.4. Def. 102.5

Dre Perry Off. 97.7 Def. 98.5
played hurt on conference play.

Quentin Rose. Off. 97.7 Def. 101.5

Rose offense not good in conference play. Offensive rating about
the same in 2 prior years.

The above is a good indication of which returnees should shoot more, and
if they do, bodes well for Temple having a successful offense.
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(10-13-2019 08:03 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Watching Temple’s intra-squad game, it was apparent that James Scott should replace Shizz Alston as Temple’s starting PG, backed-up by Alani Moore. That should help Temple keep turnovers down, assists up, and scoring maintained. Whether that will happen is unknown.

In the scrimmage. with freshman JPL playing at PG, coupled with the ball in Rose’s hands to distribute the ball a good bit of the scrimmage, the offense bogged down, and excessive turnovers were committed. It’s my view that Rose should not be used to distribute the ball, as he committed the most turnovers per game last year.

It’s clear to me that Scott and Alani solve the turnover problem if they share the PG position. If that doesn’t happen, not sure at all if Temple will have good win-loss as Temple needs to have few turnovers committed, and get good scoring from the PG position.

Scott, in a scrimmage earlier in the week, in 25 minutes of playing time, scored 15 points on 6-12 shooting, made three-three’s had 5 assists, and secured 3 rebounds. Very confident he’d average 6-8 assists per game if he’s Temple’s starting PG.

I couldn’t gage from the scrimmage how Temple’s rebounding will be this season. I can say no one stood out. Was hoping to see more from Hamilton, but didn’t. Parks played but my attention was not drawn to him. Temple will face a big Georgetown front court this coming Saturday, and that should tell us more about Temple’s offense, defense and rebounding. Hopefully D.Moore will play.

What struck me yesterday is that Temple has a number of players that shoot three’s well. They are Moorman, Alani, Scott, Hamilton, Rose, Perry, and Nate. Dunn may join the mix as well when he returns to play. Do think that Temple will shoot more fga’s as three’s. Want to see Moorman and Alani shoot more three’s as they shot 3’s at a whooping 42.4 percent in conference play.

Do want to see Both Moorman should shoot way more than he did last season as his Total Shooting Percentage (TSP) is very high. Hamilton and Alani should shoot more often as well. Temple getting more balanced scoring, offensive fire power from it’s front court, will make the entire team so much better.

Do think Moorman should start over Perry. If so, Temple will still have good players with Hamilton, Perry and Alani coming off the bench and Dunn to when he returns.

Do hope Scott is in the starting line-up. Can’t see the offense running well without him, but even if Alani starts, and Scott comes off the bench, want to see Scott sub-in for him.

One thing I didn’t see yesterday was back-cut’s from the weak side that would lead to easy hoops for Rose, Moorman, Hamilton, and Perry, near the hoop.

Do expect D. Moore minutes to go from 10 to 25 or more minutes per game. As such he should take most of the fga’s that Ern shot last year, and that’s a good thing.

Until Dunn returns Perry, should sub-in for Rose. When Dunn comes back he needs to spell Rose. He!s a solid replacement as he shoots and rebounds well.

The defense by both squads looked good, but we’ll learn more more from the Georgetown scrimmage. Both defenses made it very difficult for either offense to get to the rim, and that’s a very good sign to see as Temple’s biggest weakness last season was it’s porous defense at the rim.

Both Forrester and Strickland played in the scrimmage, but neither stood out. Strickland did have a nifty drive to the hoop. He can hit the three-ball, but was off yesterday. Forrester is a very active player, and can run the court, but plays out of control. Was told that after the scrimmage. Neither have cleared waivers to play this year.

Very interesting notes & insights. Thank you for sharing this info. I noticed that this thread that you started has already drawn interest, with gotten 200 views in a few days.

Dunn's injury status throws a lot of things out of whack. I saw him as a great backup SG or wing. Now, the options are more limited, which may mean that Perry as you said will be the backup wing, and if JPL plays, it will probably be backing up NPL for a few mpg.

Overall, without Dunn, I'm expecting Temple's back court to be about as productive as last season's back court was.

I would predict the starting back court will be Scott-Rose-NPL, with Alani-Perry-JPL as the reserves for the 3 positions, until Dunn returns.

My guess is that, when Dunn returns at full speed, the team's back court may play better than last season's back court did, and Perry will be able to play more of his minutes as a PF, backing up Moorman.

Alani has occasionally put up numerous shots, but only occasionally, and mostly against lesser competition when his points were gravy. I believe that he struggles to get open looks against teams with superior defenders, and has tended to distribute, rather than to look for his shot. Not sure if he can or will change in that respect.

Last season, Alani scored ~5-6 ppg in somewhere between 16 and 20 mpg, as the only backup guard who typically played, other than Perry's 5 mpg backing up Rose. That means Temple's 3 back court starters played a combined ~95-100 mpg. We may see that number drop closer to 95 mpg and 25 mpg for backup guard/wings Alani, Perry, JPL, and Dunn.

I see Alani's minutes dropping slightly, and expect to see him playing mostly back-up PG, although maybe we'll see him and Scott on the floor together now and then. The best thing about Alani is that he's a Senior who plays a cool headed game and knows what his role is, and usually isn't a liability when he's out there on the court. Mr. Stability on the court, will show some senior leadership.

I hope Dunn can take most of the backup wing minutes when he returns, partly because he seems more explosive and consistent a scorer, perhaps a bit more lithe and more body control than the other options. Rose has often played 29-31 mpg, so maybe Dunn could eventually play 9-11 mpg. I agree with you - he's like dynamite. He could enter games as an offensive spark plug.

I'm seeing JPL as NPL's backup, maybe 5-6 mpg.

Shifting Perry to backup PF (15 -20 mpg) might strengthen the PF position, giving Moorman more chances to rest, so that we can always have a PF on the floor with fresh legs.

Glad that Strickland and Forrester have a redshirt transfer year to develop their games. The rotation up to 11 is deep enough without them at all positions. Sounds like they might need that extra year of player development to emerge as impact players in 2020 or 2021. Having them from 2020-21 through 2022-23 will help ensure that McKie will have two positions solidified for those three seasons, with 8 current Owls departing prior to 2021-22 season.

We may see lineups like Strickland - Dunn - JPL/White - Forrester - Parks by 2021-22, plus 7 incoming players TBD. That's not a bad core foundation to build on.

Forrester & Parks may not score a huge number of points, but interior defense and rebounding from them should be fairly solid.

This season, though, Damion obviously has to amp up his defensive effort. I recall him being yanked from almost every game last season, and have the impression that he may be a bit gun shy - afraid to make a mistake and thus not assertive enough on defense. Don't know if he has the agility to challenge more shots without getting into foul trouble. But I think McKie may be more tuned in than Dunphy was and will encourage Damion to play his game and not worry about getting yanked and embarrassed by his HC the way he was in prior seasons.

Damion is a "man mountain" of a player, and I have seen him utterly dominate the basket area on both ends of the floor. Would love to see Coach let him loose this season. He usually takes 2-4 minutes to get warmed up & in the flow of game, then makes his presence felt. Last season, he was often back on the bench before he even got a chance to get into his groove. Very exciting player when he gets pumped up.

Don't know what to think about Hamilton, except that he seems about a year behind Moorman in his development as a player, which would make sense, since he hardly played more than a minute in his freshman year. I thought Moorman had more potential then he showed last season, and could imagine this might be a breakthrough season for him as a Junior, knowing that his contributions are not optional, but vital.

My impression is that both JPL and Hamilton have some way to go in the department of accepting their roles as being what the team needs them to do, rather than what they might choose to do on their own. In both cases, I'm fairly optimistic that McKie - who seemed to help Iverson to accept his role and play within their system - can do the same, as needed, with Temple players.

Would not be surprised to see McKie bench both JPL and Hamilton - at least occasionally - if they fail to play the roles he needs them to play for team success. Maybe against a weaker opponent, he might just sit those guys for a whole game to educate them as needed. For example, he could rotate Damion, Moorman, and Parks at C; Perry & Moorman at PF, Scott, Rose, & NPL back court with Alani playing 20+ mpg in the back court.

Maybe Hamilton & JPL would benefit from the experience from watching their teammates play without them, so that they could better understand what the team needs most from them when they do get back into a game - and what the team misses the most from their absence. Temple's coaches might also need to give them the benefit of a little of their wisdom and teaching the keys to great team (as opposed to individual) play.
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Temple forced via steals (top 25 in the nation) opponents to make more turnovers, and Temple committed 3 less turnovers per conference game than opponents did. Such was the a hallmark of Temple defense coached by former HC Fran Dunphy.

It was a big factor in Temple amassing a 13-5 AAC record last season. In real terms, this means that Temple averaged 3 more possessions and scoring opportunities per conference games than opponents did,as each opponent turnover is one less scoring opportunity they otherwise would have had, and one more scoring opportunity that Temple would not have had, but for creating the turnover.

These three extra scoring opportunities were reduced by Temple being out-rebounded, but Temple still produced a net positive more scoring opportunities than opponents, and Temple used them wisely by shooting more three’s and shooting more foul-shots than opponents,,which produced Temple conference wins, even though opponents shot a higher percentage on two’s (52.2-49.8 percent), and Temple being out-rebounded in conference games.

As Temple used some of extra scoring opportunities to take more three’s (422-402) shoot them at a higher percentage (35.3-29.6), and make more three’s than opponents (149-119) in conference play.

In retrospect, Temple’s conference opponents would have been wise to have taken more two’s and less three’s, as they shot two’s at 52.2 percent, and shots three’s at an equivalent of 44 percent on two’s.

But, Temple would have been wise to shoot more three’s then they did, and less two-point jumpers outside the paint, as Temple shot on three’s the equivalent of almost 53 percent on two’s, compared to the 49.8 percent Temple actually shot on two’s.

Temple also used some of these extra scoring opportunities to shoot more foul shots (400-381), shoot them at a higher percentage (73.5-64.8 percent), and to score more points at the foul-line (294-247) than opponents did.

Both Temple’s returning players and new players allow Temple to at least maintain Temple’s advantage in creating turnovers off of steals.

But depending on who replaces Shizz Alston at PG, Temple not turning the ball more than last year remains an open question to be answered this season. And if Temple commits 3 more turnover per game last year, Temple’s six-extra opportunities per game in conference games may well vanish.

Temple has a roster that allows them to take more three’s, shoot them at a higher percentage, and make more three’s than conference opponents do.,

Also, Temple’s roster should allow Temple to shoot as many three’s, shoot them at a higher rate than opponents do, and make more foul-shots then opponents do.

But Temple’s opportunity to create advantages shooting three’s and at the foul-line vanishes or is greatly reduced if Temple commits more turnovers this season in conference games.

Shizz Alston committed an average of 2.6 turnovers per conference game.

Based on what I witnessed what’ve James Scott did in the Bahamas (3 turnovers (2 questionable in being attributed to him) in 64 minutes over 3 games, 0 turnovers in two of the games) ) and in the team’s recent intra-squad scrimmage James Scott’s ability to commit few turnovers and score well, that he should replace Alston, and that A.Moore, averaging 14 mpg in conference play,, only committed .5 turnovers per game, as he had 9 turnovers and stole the ball 20 times in 18 conference games should be his back-up, or if Moore starts, then Scott should sub-in for him.

Temple may still face a turnover problem if McKie follows on his intent to place the ball in Rose’s hands more, and JPL plays the PG position.

Will look in future posts at Temple’s ability this season to shoot a higher 2-point shooting percentage or reduce opponents two-=point shooting percentage. Also look at Temple’s potential improving their rebounding this season.

Hoping that Temple’s scrimmage against Georgetown provides us some insight into all the above outstanding issues.
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Jedclampett:

Thanks for your take on various Temple players.

With regard to Moorman and A.Moore, both shot only once every 4 or 5 minutes in conference games, as the offense was built around Alston, NPL, and Rose.

With Alston gone, along his 8 three’s per game, I expect Scott to average at least 5 three’s per game, game, and maybe even more.

JP Moorman and Alani, both terrific three point shooters in conference games, as well as Hamilton, can fill-in the Alston’s three point attempt gap, and even exceed it.

Last year, the offense revolved around Alston, Rose, and NPL, and as a result, Moorman, Alani, and Hamilton, rarely shot. D.Moore as well. I want to see all four shoot more often this year, as they are likely to continue to shoot three’s at a higher percentage than Nate and Rose.

Moorman was told last year to defer to the big three, and he did. In Temple’s recent scrimmage, one could see that Moorman was a whole new player, as was bombing away from beyond the three-point line, and hitting them at a high rate. Same for Alani and Perry as well, who both shot a lot of three’s.

Both Moorman and Perry should drive to the hoop more as Moorman shot an astounding 80 percent at the rim (24-30) for the season, and Perry shot 58.8 (20-34) percent, and their offensive and defensive ratings per 100 possessions in conference play last season.

Perry had the best defensive rating on the team, and now that his knees are healed, it was no surprise that he shot very well in the intra-squad scrimmages.

Moorman can play PF or SF, and that Perry can play. PF, SF, or SG. He’s also Temple’s best perimeter
defender.

As for Hamilton, he’s a terrific shooter from anywhere on the court. He should be allowed to shoot three’s whenever he’s open. Mckie should also have him drive to the hoop, and do back-cuts for easy hoops at the rim. He should shoot a lot when he’s on the court. He’s also a terrific offensive rebounder.

Hamilton has both a good offensive and defensive rating per 100 possessions. His shot-blocking and rebounding should increase if he does not stray far from the rim.

Everyone was talking about how much D.Moore has improved on both sides of the ball. Temple fans have only seen glimpses of that in the past.

D.Dunn will be a major force when he’s able to play. He’s a great two-point shooter, strong rebounder, and pesty defender. If he hits three’s like he did wearing a boot the other day, watch out. Temple will not lose any offensive or defensive fire-power when he subs in at SF or SG.

James Scott is simply explosive. In the words of Shizz Alston, who, after playing against Scott in Scott’s first scrimmage last year, said: “He can get to the hoop, anytime he wants to.” One former Temple star said, “I believe he’s Temple’s best player this year.” Scott is also very good at stealing opponent’s passes.

In a separate post,I will write about both Rose and NPL, and how they played and improved from the year before.

Does look that Temple should take more three’s this season, and shoot them at a higher percentage.

Temple’s two-point shooting percentage should increase by the team running more, and players driving and shooting less long two-point jump shots..
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(10-14-2019 05:56 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Jedclampett:

Thanks for your take on various Temple players.

With regard to Moorman and A.Moore, both shot no more once every 4 or 5 minutes in conference play on because the offense was built around Alston, NPL, and Rose.

With Alston gone along his taking an average 8-per game, I expect Scott to average at least 5 per game and maybe even more.

Two players who can even fill-in the gap, and maybe exceed it, are JP.Moorman and Alani Moore, who were both at the top of the chart in conference play in three-point shooting
percentage. And what I especially like about both is the majority of their shots were three-pointers.

Last year, the offense revolved around Alston, NPL, and as result, both Moorman and Alani, rarely shot, shooting only once every four or five minutes. I want to see both shoot more often this year as they are likely to continue to shoot three’s at a higher percentage than Nate and Rose.

Moorman was told last year to defer to the big three and he did. In the scrimmage I attended, one could see that Moorman was a whole new player, and was bombing away from beyond the three-point line , and hitting them at a high rate. Same for Alani and Perry as well, who shot a lot of three’s and shot them well.

One think both Moorman and Perry should do more is dribe to the rim more as Moorman shot an astounding 80 percent at the rim (24-36) for the season and Perry shot 56 percent at the rim.

As you can see, from a previous chart that all Moorman and A.Moore and nice offensive ratings, and defensive rating per 100 possessions, and also a decent margin between the two.


Perry had the best defensive rating, and that now that he hasxheeled , based on what I saw in the scrimmages, his offense was very good as as well.

It’s clear that Moorman can play PF or SF, and that Perry can play. PF, SF, or SG. He is Temple’s best perimeter defender.


Moorman "bombing away" from three point line - like the sound of that!

It seems a bit odd to have so many capable 3 pt shooters and relying on them so heavily with the 10 inch extension of the 3 pt line. It could work out for Temple if the FG3% doesn't drop more than a few % pts, but if the FG3% drops significantly against some teams, Temple will be forced to drive the ball to the hoop.

Rose and NPL can penetrate, as can JPL, and it seems Scott can shoot from anywhere on the court. Hamilton can score from 2 pt land, as can Moorman and Perry to some extent.

That injury situation with Dunn really throws a monkey wrench into things until he comes back.

I'm with you about Dunn being a potential impact player, and my concern is that Temple might be similar to last season, but could take a step forward when he returns.

Regarding all the PFs on the team, we'll have 4 in Moorman, Perry, Hamilton, and Parks - although the latter two will I'm guessing play the C position.

Don't see Perry as a starting option at any position on the team, but as a good backup player who can function in front or back court. He seemed to be out of place too often last season, and I think expecting him to play multiple positions may be too confusing for him. But we will need him at wing until Dunn returns and at PF behind J.P. all season.

Regarding "Centers" and "PFs," it's probably accurate to say that Temple only has one true Center, and that he may average 25 mpg at best. What that means is that for the other 15 minutes or so, the reality is that Temple will have two PFs on the floor, since Hamilton seems listed as a PF.

During those 15 minutes, I would not have Perry in the game except at the wing position. Hamilton has the height to play side by side with Moorman in the front court, neither being a true Center, but at least one of which will have to play near the basket on defense.

I know Hamilton can hit from 3, but I'm concerned that if Temple over-relies on 3 point shooting, opponents will spread their defense to stop our perimeter shooters. To keep defenses honest and make them have to work hard, Temple needs to have a solid 2 point offense. It's not Moorman's strong suit, but it is Hamilton's, so when he and J.P. are in the game together (as they should be when Damion's on the bench), I'd put Moorman on the perimeter and have Hamilton playing within 8 or 10 feet of the basket

Could Hamilton play alongside Damion for a few minutes per game as the closest thing we'd have to a "twin towers" arrangement? It's certainly a possibility for a few mpg...why not? Maybe try it and see?
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