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RE: Temple men’s bb 2019-2020
Nice that close to 100 fans are interested in reading about Temple men’s bb.

We left off discussing Temple garnering nearly 3 extra scoring opportunities per game in conference play, via steals by forcing opponents to make 3 more turnover per game than Temple did, and opponents having three fewer scoring opportunities.

On the other hand, opponent averaged three more offensive rebounds than Temple did on the boards per game than Temple did.

Comparing turnovers and offensive rebounding stats is like comparing apples to oranges.

As when a steal is made the team usually has an unimpeded path to the hoop. The ball stealer can usually pass the ball forward for easy score or go to the hoop himself.

That happens way less often the offensive rebounders, plus put-backs are often contested.

Also, unlike steals, a team on one possession can have multiple put-backs. That doesn’t show up in the box score.

A box score may show that one team had 10 offensive rebounds, and the other team had six. It may well be that the team with 10 offensive rebounds had multiple offensive rebounds on one possession.

So, given that more offensive rebounds are contested than steals are, the turnover margin one team has over another, is more significant than the offensive rebounding margin, and should be looked at separately, and offensive rebounds given less weight.

And because so many more offensive rebounds are contested than steals are, one should consider the turnover margin so much more significant.

In one of Temple’s wins over UConn last season, Temple was out-rebounded by 11 offensive rebounds, yet Tempe won by 16 points, as Temple shooting the lights out determined the outcome of the game.
Temple won many games where they were out rebounded.

Significantly, In 8 of Temple’s 10 losses, Temple had more offensive rebounds than opposing teams did.

In Temple’s two other losses to Villanova and Cincinnati, where Temple was out-rebounded by 6 (Temple had 2 less turnovers) and 14 (Temple committed 2 less turnovers) offensive rebounds respectively, Temple led in both games with 5 minutes to play, an indication that opponents advantage on the boards were not a big factor in Temple’s two losses.

In 18 conference games opponents had 60 more offensive rebounds than Temple did, or about three per game in conference play. If Temple this season finds some way to get some combination of more offensive or defensive rebounds, opponents advantage on the offensive end will disappear.


But one should be aware that with the advent of small ball by Hall of Fame NBA HC Don Nelson, teams have made an intentional calculation to allow opponents to garner more offenvie rebounds in a game.
As they have decided to create mis-matches in which a smaller player has an offensive advantage over a a bigger player by shooting the three-ball or driving to the hoop. They are willing to trade opponents getting more offensive rebounds as long as they win the shooting percentage and scoring battle, and this has filtered down to the college game.

Temple has players like Perry can create those mis-matches. So having him on the court and shooting well makes sense as he has an offensive advantage over defensive bigger opponents., Did last year and will even more so this season, especially with Perry making opponent bigs decide whether to guard the three- point line, where he can stroke the three ball or drive to the hoop.
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I’m totally pumped about this team and here’s why.Temple has eight three-point shooters! No AAC roster close even to that.

It’s imperative that Temple favor players who shoot three’s well over players who shoot a lower percentage. This did not happen last year.

It’s imperative that Moorman and Alani’s, two of Temple’s best three-point shooters, shoot more often.

With Temple having so many good scorers, there should be more balance among players. If so, opponents can’t defend and double up on particular point shooters as Temple will always have a lot of three’s point-shooters on the court at the same time.

It seemed from the intra-squad scrimmage that McKie tealises that as more players were involved in the offense as in the past.

In conference play, Temple took 40-percent of it’s all it’s FGA’s as three’s, and hopefull Temple will increase that percentage to over 50 percent as Temple has so many good three point shooters they should, and because needs to greatly reduce the high percentage of two’s that they and everyone else convert at a low-rate.

It’s good to shoot more three’s as Temple shot 49.8 percent on 2’s last season in conference play, and Templenshooting 34 percent on three’s, is equivalent to shooting 52.5 percent on ywo’s.

Temple needs to also transfer those shots to driving more to the hoop, and taking more close-in jump shots.

HC McKie has given some preliminary indications he see’s a need to both shoot more three’s, and expanding that to include more players, but also not shoot long two’s. In witnessed that in Bahamas and the intra-squad game.

He also has the team playing more up-tempo at times and he needs to do that to get all his players involved.

Still have fear that Temple will favor certain players as they last year, that cost Temple wins. Hard to win when players shot is off, and he keeps shooting. Especially bad when two players do that.

No need for Scott to replace all of Alston’s shots. Actually think Temple much better off getting everyone in the offense.

Temple averaged shooting 35 percent on three’s in the conference, fourth best. Temple’s three-point-shooting percentage should increase this season as well as Temple moving up in the conference as Houston lost two very high very high percentage three-point shooters. Temple lost Shizz Alston who shot 8.7 three’s per game and shot them at only 33 percent.

Temple held opponents to shooting 29.6 percent on three’s, third best in the conference.

Of Temple’s good three-point shooters, Moorman And Alani shot 42.4, (Mooorman 41 percent for the season) , are the two highest three-point percentages in the AAC, ahead of UConn’s Christian Vidal ( l40 percent).

Transfer James Scott joins Temple, having last shot 38.5 percent on three’s in conference play at KSU, , and after being told to not rush, shot 42.5 percent in the last month of February on 17-39 shooting. Would have been 48 percent of three of those fga’s had not been shot from half-court at the end of halves.

Dre Perry looked very good shooting three’s in the Bahamas and in the recent intrasquad scrimmage. Now healthy, can see him shooting three’s at 36.7 percent as he did conference play his freshman year. Has odd delivery shooting ball from the left side of his face, but it works for him.

Hamilton should be one Temple’s best three-point shooters. As Hamilton can see over his opponent, and has a near-perfect perfect shooting form. Didn’t shoot them last season, Will this season.

Q. Rose shot 34.8 percent on three’s in conference play last season. Hope he can do that this season.

NPL shot three’s at 34.7 percent in conference play. He shoots two’s and three’s at the same equivalency, but since he gets to the foul-line more driving to the hoop, it’s best he mostly shoot’s more two’s.

Freshman D. Dunn is a deadly off the dribble shooting a 2-point jump shot. Classic form. Pauses near the top to steady the ball before releasing it. Shot 60 percent in HS on two’s which is off the chart for a guard.

Till the other day, shot his three-point jump shot in one motion, with no pause, because otherwise he couldn’t getting get ball to hoop. But he missed shooting this way as he was all arms shooting the ball. He switched to getting the ball to the shooting pocket before he left the ground, so he would propel the ball forward with his legs, not arms. Wearing a boot, went 9-10 shooting three’s with legs, not arms. He will play a lot this year when he returns from his injury probably in early December.
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OT, but please consider as we continue the dialogue.

This one thread may or may not be the ideal place to post everything of interest.

I could post all my thoughts about TUMBB on this thread, but with the long posts and all, this thread might be pretty unaccessible or intimidating to others who might hesitant to jump into such a detailed conversation.

Here's my idea:

When the season starts, let's set up a thread to discuss each game. That might be much more accessible - and helps to keep various discussions separate from each other.

Also, I have started a thread on Temple recruiting, and would like to discuss it with you and any others who might be interested. I would appreciate it if you would post on recruiting topics over there. Thanks.

I'm going to write a short post over there now, because the other board contains a lot of recent discussions and updates - things are heating up on the recruiting front, as November approaches.

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The point is that this thread could easily grow to 1,000 pages, and at that point, I doubt if anyone else would jump in. Also, writing separate threads would help to keep topics distinct. There are already a number of things you've written that I haven't had time to respond to. If you post on some different threads, it helps keep the topics separate, so it becomes less confusing.

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This could still be an omnibus thread that includes dialogues about the team as a whole, but let's add some more, ok?

I'd like to suggest having additional threads about these topics:

Temple Players (performance, health issues, other aspects): Move discussions of specific players over there.

Temple Coaching: We've already discussed this quite a bit on this thread, but would like to put future posts on coaching over there. There will be more and more of these, following announcements and press conferences or releases, and once the season starts. Would like to dosciss each member of coaching staff, eventually.

Pre-season (current; optional) I'd like to see discussions of the pre-season on a different thread, but if you feel strongly about it, they could stay on this omnibus thread.

Schedule discussion: A place to talk about upcoming Temple games on the schedule. We could talk about matchups, strategy issues, news about other teams (who's up, who's down), and where TUMBB may be gravitating vis a vis their schedule (higher, lower, etc.?).

Post-season considerations: To discuss how things are shaping up for the post-season. This topic gets hotter and hotter as the season goes on.

Game discussions: New thread for each game, like with the other message boards.

Other related topics (optional - a grab-bag category)

TUMBB news, developments (optional): Any new developments that arise with respect to the team, staff, etc.


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Please let me know what you think of this.

If you're inclined to start a thread on a specific topic, I will respond there.

If you get a chance to take a look at the new recruiting thread, I'll contribute over there, further, if you or anyone responds.

Thanks.
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I think pre-season should stay here. Not sure if individual games should stay here or not.

I agree coaching staff, recruiting, schedule, post-season discussions, should on a separate thread. Although, a short blurb ok here occasionally. Would like to hear from readers for their input.
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Will post more on Temple men’s bb tomorrow.


Looking forward to receiving this weekend some feedback from Georgetown-Temple secret scrimmage this Saturday. .
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(10-17-2019 08:57 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I think pre-season should stay here. Not sure if individual games should stay here or not.

I agree coaching staff, recruiting, schedule, post-season discussions, should on a separate thread. Although, a short blurb ok here occasionally. Would like to hear from readers for their input.

I myself find a very long thread with a lot of long posts hard to follow after awhile, and look forward to having some more specific threads that are easier to follow over time.

Thanks for responding to the recruiting thread, and hope you'll respond to some of those specific threads we're talking about going forward.
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(10-17-2019 09:03 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Will post more on Temple men’s bb tomorrow.


Looking forward to receiving this weekend some feedback from Georgetown-Temple secret scrimmage this Saturday. .


Great. Looking forward to your report. Enjoy the scrimmage!
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With the colleges game having evolved into teams shooting three’s and driving to the hoop, Temple’s roster has been constructed with that in mind.

This season, Temple will have seven players that include James Scott, NPL, JPL , Rose, Perry, Moorman, and Hamiton, who are very good at putting the ball on the floor and getting to the hoop. Will have to see if D. Dunn is, although I suspect he mostly shoots jump shots. And a Temple has a ninth player in D. Moore who is very good shooting near the rim.

Moorman shoots a whopping 80 percent at the rim, Hamilton 78 percent, D.Moore 70 percent,
NPL, Rose, and Scott in the low 60’s, and Perry at 58 percent. That’s terrific scoring near the rim.

Given that many of these players shoot three’s well, opponents will have to make a hard decision whether to play-up on these players or sag-off. Rarely do teams have so many players with multi-talented offensive skills.

In conference play, Temple in shot 49.8 percent on 2’s, fourth best in the conference.

Temple has a good chance to significantly improve their two-point shooting percentage dramatically, as they intend to push the tempo, and fast break more, which shoot lead to easy hoops in transition.

More importantly, from what I’ve seen, it appears that Temple will transition away from shooting long two-point jump shots, and instead shoot more three’s, and closer-in two’s. The two’s will primarily be short stop and pops from the paint or from the wings within 25 feet of the hoop. Temple may well drive to the hoop somewhat more in half-court sets.

By doing so, Temple will reduce what I estimate to be 30 percent of all field goals taken that Temple shot at less than 33 percent.

Temple’s shooting percentage on two’s may well exceed 54 percent, way-up from the 49.8 percent Temple shot in conference play.

Temple is on the way to being a dominant offensive team. Can see Temple go from averaging 75.8 ppg in conference play, to 83 ppg.

But such won’t happen if Rose or any other Temple player jacks-up many shots when they’re shooting poorly.

My next post will discuss Temple’s huge increase in it’s trips to the foul-line last season, and what that portends for this upcoming season.

Ps. I won’t be at the scrimmage as it’s not open to the public, but should get some feedback.
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In the 2017-2018 season, Temple finished with a 17-16 overall record,, and a 8-10 record in conference play. This past season with two starters having departed, and no new players joining the rotation, Temple was able to forge a 23 -10 overall record, and a 13-6 win-loss record in conference play.

This huge improvement occurred because of three factors: 1) The most significant was that that some of Temple’s returning players, took so many more trips to the foul-line than they did the year before in conference play, and thus scored more points from the foul-line 2) Temple players increased their two and three-point shooting point percentage, but shot fewer two’s and three’s.


Temple players took 400 FTA’S (5th in conference) compared to 253 foul-shot attempts (11th in conference) in 18 conference the year before, an increase of 147 more foul shots, or 8.1 foul shots per conference game. Temple went from 11th in the conference in FTM to 3rd in the conference.


These additional foul shots when coupled with Temple increased it’s foul shooting percentage to 73.2 percent (3rd on conference) from 67.2 percent in conference play (11th in conference) the year before, resulted in Temple making 294 foul-shots which was 50 more foul-shots than Temple even attempted in conference play the year before. This further resulted in scoring on 124 more FTM or 6.8 more FTM per game, than Temple made the year before, An astonishing accomplishment, especially so, as three Temple players-NPL, Alston, and Rose,,were primarily responsible for the increase in foul-shots made.

Fully expect USF, Memphis, Temple, and Cincinnati to compete for most foul shots made this season. USF should take the most, but as they did last season, but. The made their foul shots at a very low rate.

As a result of Temple shooting so many more foul shots, Temple took 76 fewer FGA’s In conference play than it did the season before.

Temple also increased its 2-point shooting percentage to 49.8 (4th in conference) up from 46.6 percent (10th in the conference) the year before.

Temple took 35 fewer 3-point field goal attempts ( 322, 4th in conference) ) but increased their 3-point shooting to 35.3 percent (3rd in conference) up from 32.4 percent (9th in conference) Temple shot on 3’s the year before. Moorman, Alani Moore, and Rose all increased their respective three-point shooting, and that helped Temple shoot a higher three point percentage.

Do to Temple shooting a higher percentage on three’s, Temple ranked 2nd in three’s made (149) in the conference, even though Temple shot fewer three’s. In the prior year, Temple had taken the most three’s in the conference and also finished with 149 made three’s, 4th in the conference. So, Temple moved up in conference standings even though shooting fewer three’s.

Houston finished with the conferences most made three’s with 177. Temple was second md with 149 made 3’s.With Houston’s three big-time 3-point shooters, full expect Temple to take the most three’s, and finish with the most made three’s in the conference

Nate, Shizz, and Quentin accounted for. more 6.4 points of Temples 6.8 point increase in foul shots.

Nate increased his playing time from 20 mpg the year to 32 mpg in conference play, but Nate more than doubled his FTA’s from 2.5 To 5.6 FTA, and increased his FTM from1.5 to 3.8 FTM, and his foul shooting percentage increased from 60 percent to 69 percent.

Shizz increased his FTA from 1.8 to 4.6 per game, and FTM from 1.6 to 4.2 per game in conference play.

Rose increased his foul shots from 2.7 to 4.6 per conference game, and his FT percentage from 67.3 To 73.3 percent, a .5 percent, and increased his FTM made from 1.8 to 3.3.

Temple increased its scoring in conference play by 7.2 points per game in games from 68.6 points (7th in conference) to 75.8 ppg (3rd in conference), largely do to the increase in Temple players shooting more foul shots, shooing them at a higher percentage. Secondly, do to Temple players shooting two’s and three’s at a higher percentage, and shooting more three’s.

Temple will need to find a way to replace Shizz 4.6 FTA and 3.3 FTM per game.lHopefully by Temple playing more up-tempo, adding new players who can get to the hoop, and by having returning players drive to the hoop more that will occur.
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(10-18-2019 12:16 PM)Miggy Wrote:  In the 2017-2018 season, Temple finished with a 17-16 overall record,, and a 8-10 record in conference play. This past season with two starters having departed, and no new players joining the rotation, Temple was able to forge a 23 -10 overall record, and a 13-6 win-loss record in conference play.

This huge improvement occurred because of three factors: 1) The most significant was that that some of Temple’s returning players, took so many more trips to the foul-line than they did the year before in conference play, and thus scored more points from the foul-line 2) Temple players increased their two and three-point shooting point percentage, but shot fewer two’s and three’s.


Temple players took 400 FTA’S (5th in conference) compared to 253 foul-shot attempts (11th in conference) in 18 conference the year before, an increase of 147 more foul shots, or 8.1 foul shots per conference game. Temple went from 11th in the conference in FTM to 3rd in the conference.


These additional foul shots when coupled with Temple increased it’s foul shooting percentage to 73.2 percent (3rd on conference) from 67.2 percent in conference play (11th in conference) the year before, resulted in Temple making 294 foul-shots which was 50 more foul-shots than Temple even attempted in conference play the year before. This further resulted in scoring on 124 more FTM or 6.8 more FTM per game, than Temple made the year before, An astonishing accomplishment, especially so, as three Temple players-NPL, Alston, and Rose,,were primarily responsible for the increase in foul-shots made.

Fully expect USF, Memphis, Temple, and Cincinnati to compete for most foul shots made this season. USF should take the most, but as they did last season, but. The made their foul shots at a very low rate.

As a result of Temple shooting so many more foul shots, Temple took 76 fewer FGA’s In conference play than it did the season before.

Temple also increased its 2-point shooting percentage to 49.8 (4th in conference) up from 46.6 percent (10th in the conference) the year before.

Temple took 35 fewer 3-point field goal attempts ( 322, 4th in conference) ) but increased their 3-point shooting to 35.3 percent (3rd in conference) up from 32.4 percent (9th in conference) Temple shot on 3’s the year before. Moorman, Alani Moore, and Rose all increased their respective three-point shooting, and that helped Temple shoot a higher three point percentage.

Do to Temple shooting a higher percentage on three’s, Temple ranked 2nd in three’s made (149) in the conference, even though Temple shot fewer three’s. In the prior year, Temple had taken the most three’s in the conference and also finished with 149 made three’s, 4th in the conference. So, Temple moved up in conference standings even though shooting fewer three’s.

Houston finished with the conferences most made three’s with 177. Temple was second md with 149 made 3’s.With Houston’s three big-time 3-point shooters, full expect Temple to take the most three’s, and finish with the most made three’s in the conference

Nate, Shizz, and Quentin accounted for. more 6.4 points of Temples 6.8 point increase in foul shots.

Nate increased his playing time from 20 mpg the year to 32 mpg in conference play, but Nate more than doubled his FTA’s from 2.5 To 5.6 FTA, and increased his FTM from1.5 to 3.8 FTM, and his foul shooting percentage increased from 60 percent to 69 percent.

Shizz increased his FTA from 1.8 to 4.6 per game, and FTM from 1.6 to 4.2 per game in conference play.

Rose increased his foul shots from 2.7 to 4.6 per conference game, and his FT percentage from 67.3 To 73.3 percent, a .5 percent, and increased his FTM made from 1.8 to 3.3.

Temple will miss Alston’s foul shot attempts, and his shooting 90 percent on three, but it should be noted that James Scott shot 87.8 percent at the foul-line at KSU.

Departed Ern Aflakpui shot poorly at the foul-line, but so did Hamilton and shot poorly at the foul line. But so did returning players D.Moore and Hamilton. Hopefully, they’ll improve.

Temple increased its scoring in conference play by 7.2 points per game in games from 68.6 points (7th in conference) to 75.8 ppg (3rd in conference), largely do to the increase in Temple players shooting more foul shots, shooing them at a higher percentage. Secondly, do to Temple players shooting two’s and three’s at a higher percentage, and shooting more three’s.

Temple will need to find a way to replace Shizz 4.6 FTA and 3.3 FTM per game.lHopefully by Temple playing more up-tempo, adding new players who can get to the hoop, and by having returning players drive to the hoop more that will occur.

I can see Temple once again near the top of the leader board in shooting percentages on two’s and three, and at the foul-line, and near the top on foul shots and three’s made.
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Temple scrimmages Georgetown tomorrow. Not sure if D.Moore has returned to practice. If I receiive any feedback from the scrimmage I’ll post it here. Don’t know time of scrimmage.

Suspect that starting line-up will be Alani, Nate, Rose, Moorman, and Hamilton.

Hamiton will have tough time, as Georgetown is big, very big.

Believe teams play three halves, but not sure.

Always viewed last season as Alston being the glue and go-to guy. But looking at his stats he mostly had good games facing bottom half ranked AAC teams. But there were exceptions.

I hope the two main PG’s tomorrow are Alani and Scott. Do expect JPL to play PG as well.

I consider Alani, Moorman, and Hamilton, not Rose and NPL. Look st them as slashers, who are average three-ball shooters.

Based on what i’ve seen, do hope Moorman earns the right to take the mostfield-goal attempts, especially since most of his shots are three- balls, and he shoots them at 40 percent plus.

Alani should shoot a lot of three’s tomorrow, as he was hitting them consistently in Temple’s intr-squad scrimmage.

Rose and NPL may struggle as both face major obstacles getting to hoop. Hope they don’t compensate by taking a lot of jumpers.

But, in some ways that might not be bad, as we will then learn if they have improved their three-point shooting. Do think the best back court shooters are Alani, Scott. and Dunn, but Dunn is out. Scott’s shooting form a little off, but easy to correct.

In my gut, I always want to see two jump shooters in the backcourt. Hope we see that at times during games.

Try to block the fact that Rose has been a very inconsistent player. Still remains so even though i’m looking for him to turn the corner, and it doesn’t happen.

Because my highest priority is having two good outside in the backcourt do think NPL and Rose shoul not both start. Rather see Alani and Scott, or when Dunn returns, Scott and Dunn. Feltblast season they should have been slit, but there was no one who could come off the bench. Rather silee NPL start, than Rose. McKie will keep Rose and NPL on the court together even if things go south. For me that’s a huge mistake. They should be split up. Think team would be so much potent. But we’ll see if his line-ups work. Hope they do.

I would also likecto see on the court together - Scott, Dunn, Moorman, Hamilton,, and D.Moore. Like it because there would be few turnovers, and Temple would be deadly from the outside, and still get to the hoop.Doubt we’ll ever see it.
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(10-18-2019 06:27 AM)Miggy Wrote:  With the colleges game having evolved into teams shooting three’s and driving to the hoop, Temple’s roster has been constructed with that in mind.

Some, but not all of Temple's roster may have been constructed that way. In fact, FD constructed most of the current roster, and he didn't construct a high tempo team, so I would say that the team is being constructed for high tempo, but not all the parts will fall into place for another year or two - probably two years. So we may have to wait two years to see how well it works when completely reconstructed with the quicker athletes - White, Dunn, JPL, and Quincy A., for example.

McKie will try to run the offense that way, and time will tell how well it works. If it's successful, that's one thing, but most run-and-gun teams are too one-dimensional to make it into the top 25.

Back in the day, Loyola Marymount (Coach Paul Westhead) ran the highest tempo teams in college basketball. They often scored over 100 ppg, and were exciting to watch. But there was a problem: The better opponents were able to slow down the game and take advantages of weaknesses in the Loyola teams (they didn't play great defense and only excelled in a transition game). That was an experiment that ultimately failed, once coaches figured out how to beat that style of play, and few other teams tried the same approach.

Was Temple able to win some fast-paced games last season? Yes, they did, for example, in high scoring games vs the high energy USF team, mostly because USF's play was too error-prone with modest FG%. But those were only 1 point victories.

I'm not sure that the current players can play their best at a fast tempo.
Nate and Alani can. Rose can, but needs extra rest. Damion and Moorman can, but only for short bursts. Overall, some of them can, while others can't for more than a couple of minutes.

Let's bear in mind, too, that higher tempo play can be associated with greater risk for injuries, and Temple's best unit is only an 8 man rotation, or 9 men when Dunn returns fully healthy. The injury to Dunn reminds us how damaging an injury can be to the team's fortunes.
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Let’s see what happens this season before predicting the future. No way to know if certain players will tire without knowing Mckie’s and sub-in scheme. Hope he keeps players fresh.
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(10-18-2019 09:15 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Not sure if D.Moore has returned to practice.

Suspect that starting line-up will be Alani, Nate, Rose, Moorman, and Hamilton.

Hamiton will have tough time, as Georgetown is big, very big.

Based on what i’ve seen, do hope Moorman earns the right to take the most field-goal attempts, especially since most of his shots are three- balls, and he shoots them at 40 percent plus.

Rose and NPL may struggle as both face major obstacles getting to hoop. Hope they don’t compensate by taking a lot of jumpers.

In my gut, I always want to see two jump shooters in the backcourt.

Ultimately, I think Temple’s,’ best line-up would be Scott, Dunn, NPL or Rose, and D.Moore. Like it because there would be few turnovers, and Temple would be deadly from the outside, and still get to the hoop.Doubt we’ll ever see it.

1. Damion's status:

Not a good sign if not practicing yet with 3 weeks to go, considering his history of foot injuries. Those injuries could kick up again, especially with high speed of play. Very concerned about the OOC schedule with Dunn and Damion both hampered by injuries.

2. Suspect starting line-up: Alani, Nate, Rose, Moorman, and Hamilton.

Hamilton may end up as a starter the season if Damion's history of injuries is going to limit his play. I think he and Moorman can play well together, but not so confident about any combinations with Perry or Parks. Losing Damion could end up losing some winnable games.

Alani as a starter? I see him as a very limited role player with an incomplete offensive skill set and difficulties defending taller guards.

Maybe the HC wants to see Scott come in off the bench and give the team a jump start, but our best back court is definitely Nate, Rose, and Scott. If Alani plays more than 20 mpg, the team's productivity will lag significantly.

3. "Hamilton will have a tough time."

He very well may, but he's going to have a tough time the rest of his career until he learns how to play on the interior and accepts that role.

He's lean, it's true, but tall, athletic and muscular enough to play near the hoop. Got to get tough. "When the going gets tough, the tough get going."

We had a player named Tim Perry who was of somewhat similar build, but he became a truly dominant interior player and major shot blocker. It can be done. "Be the man, Ham."

4. "Georgetown is big, very big."

This is likely to be a problem for Temple until Coach McKie starts to recruit a sufficient number of big men.

The best D1 teams are well stocked with 6'9" and taller players who are athletic and able to dominate the basket area on both ends. Temple has two 6'9" or taller players, and one is not yet practicing. Next season, Temple will only have a player at that height, and the following season, Temple's tallest players will be only 6'8" (Parks & Forrester), unless McKie can recruit some true big men by then.

Any team without a single 6'9"+ player is unlikely to make it far beyond the round of 32 in the NCAA tournament.

5. Moorman - most FGAs?

With his height and shooting ability, could be possible, but he was so very reluctant to shoot last season, I don't expect him to take the most shots. Something like 10 to 12 shots per game would definitely help, though, would take scoring pressure off the back court players, and would prevent defenses from over-defending the guards/wings.

6. Rose and NPL struggle to get to the basket (?)

I don't see that as a big problem. Yes, Rose struggled in conference play, but that was when he was injured. In the prior seasons and OOC play last season, he was a brilliant penetrator to the hoop, although he did turn the ball over too often or failed to finish at times.

Nate's strong suit is penetrating toward the basket, it seems to me, and he is a good finisher. Intermediate range shooting is less consistent, and his 3 pt shot developed quite a bit.

7. "always want to see two jump shooters in the backcourt."

I don't think two is enough, because it's too easy for an opponent to shut down perimeter offense with only two jump shooters.

In fact, Temple wants to have four perimeter shooters much of the game (NPL, Rose, Scott, & Moorman). It's very hard to defend the perimeter against 4 good distance shooters.

The only reason Temple had success on offense last season was that NPL developed into a good perimeter shooter, so that Temple had 3 good backcourt jump shooters to defend against.

8. Ultimately, I think Temple’s,’ best line-up would be ... Scott, Dunn, NPL, Rose, and D.Moore.

That could be Temple's best lineup if D. Moore is healthy enough to play near 100%.

Here are some other good lineups for Temple:

Before Dunn returns:

1) Scott, NPL, Rose, Moorman, & Damion/Hamilton.....that's about it.


After Dunn returns:

1) Scott, NPL, Rose, Moorman, & Damion/Hamilton

2) Scott, NPL, Rose, Dunn, & Moorman/Damion/Hamilton

3) Scott, Dunn, Rose, Moorman, & Damion/Hamilton

4) Scott, NPL, Dunn, Moorman, & Damion/Hamilton

5) Dunn, NPL, Rose, Moorman, & Damion/Hamilton


This illustrates, dramatically, how many more options Coach McKie will have when Dunn returns, assuming of course that Dunn comes back and is able to play at 100% in a way reminiscent of the way NPL and Rose played in their freshman seasons.

Mathematically, quintupling the number of best lineup possibilities may multiply, in turn, the likelihood of Temple victories when Dunn returns.
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Didn’t intend to alarm fan’s about D.Moore’s health. I spoke D.Moore at the open scrimmage. He was smiling and laughing. Indicated his injury was minor and he would be back to practice soon. Don’t know if he practiced this week. Assume Hamilton starting today because he practiced with first team this week. Will try to find-out if he played today.

I’ve said many times that Rose and NPL main strength is there ability to get to the hoop. Georgetown has four bigs over 6’11.” I don’t care how good a player is at getting to the hoop when facing so many bigs who will be going in and out of line-up. Facing those obstacles to scoring inside, they have to consider the option of stopping and popping near the hoop when they don’t have a clear path to the hoop. That’s all I was suggesting.

I do think Scott should start at PG because the team needs Simone in the line-up who can both get to the hoop and hit the open shot. Scott can do that,Alani can’t, Alani only shoot from outside, and dish off inside in half-court sets.

But, as you point out, McKie is considering brining Scott off the bench for firepower. If so, i don’t even though if he would sub Scott in for Alani or Rose.

If Scott comes off the bench, it may well be that he’ll come in with Temple down points.,that makes no sense. But I may be dead wrong. That, in fact, the team does quite well with Alani starting.

Have to wait and see. Have no problem seeing McKie stet different combinations.,

Alani is a very skilled player. Can shoot the ball extremely well, and is the best in the conference in committing the fewest turnovers and making the most steals.Just want to see him shoot more and not be overwhelmed by Rose and Nate. That is less likely to happen with Scott playing in his stead. And even though he’s short st 5’10,” and yes he’s 5’10,” the perception of him is that he’s a weakness on defense.

Stats show that’s not true. As team performed better on defense slightly then when Alston played, probably because when Alston played, he made more turnovers than steals, and when Alani played, he made many more steals than turnovers.Also, team ran well on offense with him at the helm. I don’t challenge stats unless compelling reason to do so.

I just hope McKie see’s that. Only when we see how team performs, should we consider a player’s playing time.

I just fear that if the team fails when Alani starts, he’ll be blamed when in fact, Rose or NPL, or someone else was the culprit.

My feedback by reliable and knowledgeable bb players who have witnessed practices is that Scott is the best player on the team. If so, he should start. From what I witness in two games, he’s a natural PG. He’d be an assist machine which you love, as he plays bb the right way.

He was forced to dominate shooting at KSU because they had few other good shooters. That’s not the case at Temple. That’s not his natural game. Wasn’t in HS. Not a selfish player at all, but doesn’t like being out by opthers on the court, nor should he.

When Scott has played with Alani on the second unit most times they kick the first team’s ass. The two should play together at times. That’s why if Alani starts like to see Scott sub-in for Rose or NPL. Want to see if McKie would do that.

Do think with Alston gone, and McKie being a new coach HC, he shouldn’t be wedded to keeping Rose and Nate as starters, but he is. Just hope it works out.

I’ve raised in the past the possibility of Rose coming off the bench. I think with the new roster having both Scott and Rose, both more heady and in my view better overall players, that should at least be tried. Regardless. sure things will change when Dunn returns.

Want Temple’s best shooter to shoot the most.Do think Moorman and Scott are probably Temple’s best Temple’s best scorers. Would like to see Moorman, Scott, Nate, Dunn, and Rose clustered near the same number of fga's, unless one is on and another off..D.Moore, Dunn, Hamilton, and Alani may challenge as well. Do think we’ere going to see some surprises.,scorers.

Like your various line-ups.
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We have both been frustrated by Temple’s play the last two years, as I realized after the 2017-2018 season, that HC FD favored upperclassman over better upperclassman such as NPL, Moorman, and Perry. And should have played the players more in conference play, and by failing to do so, such resulted in Temple winding-up with a 17-16 record.

As a result, even though Temple lost two veteran starters, Shizz and Ern, we both predicted Temple would have a much better record this past season even though no new ball players were joining the rotation.We were not only right, but came close to predicting Temple’s 23-10 record.

In looking back at last year, I now see that Temple played who we both said should, but those players were not allowed to shoot as much as they should have, as other players were favored.

This post is intended to share my my frustration as I don’t want to see past mistakes repeated again as I think Temple should have a very successful year.,

Although we differ somewhat in our view of Temple players, I’m lashing out at unwarranted favoritism, not at you.

It’s my view that Templehas much better shooters than Rose and NPL.

Moorman, Scott, Alani, Hamilton, D. Moore, and Dunn are far superior shooters. Don’t understand why you don’t want Moorman to take the most shots, nor Alani to play much when both shot the highest three percentages at 42.4 percent in conference play. And most of their fga’s are three’s.

It appears, you prefer Rose and NPL to take the most fga!s.

Feel strongly if Temple doesn’t get it’s shot distribution right among players straightened and correct this year, Temple going nowhere in future years.


Morman is shooting a lot now, and should continue to. Probably one the reason he named on of Temple’s three captains.

It’s Moorman that scores at tthe rim 80 percent of the time. Rose doesn’t . .

It’s D.Moore who shot 70 percent on two’, and at the rim. Rose doesn’t

It’s Hamilton who shoots 60 percent on two’s, and at the rim.Rose doesn’t.

You say that Moorman should take the pressure off of Rose and NPL. Why should Rose be the focal point of the offense? Even you’ve said that you’re disappointed Rose hasn’t reached his potential.

Rose and NPL are both good players, but it’s time that Rose not be the focal point of the offense, Temple made the same mistake last season by relying on the big three-Alston, Rose, and NPL.

Also, don’t want to see Rose averaging 2.5 turnovers in games this season. If he handles ball less, turnover should go down. Like to see his fga’s reduced from 14-shots per game to 10 fga’s per game. Should cut down on his turnovers and hopefully he’ll be a more efficient shooter. Want to see him take no more than 10 fga’s, unless he hits five of his first 10 shots.

I’ve been pondering the question of how much Alston will be missed. I went back and looked at his stats and overall in conference play he played much better against bad teams, and not so good against good teams. He often shot poorly, and kept doing so when there were better shooters on the court.

Don’t want to see that this season. Want best shooters shooting the most shots. If you don’t want to see a rebounding deficit that has to happen.

This team capable of getting to the NCAA tournament and going very far. Few teams have as may good three point shooters, guys who can get to the hoop, nor as many lock-down fenders.

I don’t see Rose and NPL as good shooters at all.

NPL much better than Rose is getting to the hoop.

When I watched Rose shoot three’s well in the Bahamas, I became more positive that he may change and turn his game around. But seeing him in Temple’s open scrimmage was disappointing. He should not be taking most shots. Not pleased that McKie has placed his trust in him and moved him once again to the forefront.

Only think his injury effected him the last few games. He has basically said the same thing. His stats are inconsistent game to game, he’s been that way his whole career. he wouldn’t be doing high flying dunks as he did repeatedly, if one’s in a pain from a foot injury.

His taking almost as many shots as Alston, while shooting mostly 2’s and shooting them at only 43 percent, and taking excessive shots even though he’s missing them over and over again, is not what I want to see again this season. His refusal to rebound when Temple needed him to is inexcusable.

Clear he’s not a 35 mpg player as it’s clear he paced himself as some of his not shooting stats worse than when he played on 30 mpg the year before.

I chose not to ignore advance stats .that for three years straight he is the only player that the entire team performs with when he’s on the court.

NPL is an outstanding player. His offensive and defensive stats off the board.

Know you’re not big on Alani and Hamilton, but both have high positive offensive rating, and relatively good decisive ratings, and both reflect Temple does well when their on the court.

The same cannot be said for Rose as is underwater and Temple as a team does not perform wel offensively overall when he plays.

It’s relatively easy to knock one aspect of a players game, but when thstvplayer has terrific numbers helps the team as a whole and Rose has bad ratings you should deal with that first.
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Last year, Alston started off hitting three’s at a high rate, but gradually saw his three point shooting percent dropped to 33 percent, or the equivalent to 50 percent on two’s, in conference play, He also shot way more three’s than two’s.

In retrospect, that was not wise as he shot his two’s at 55 percent.

Also, in conference play Temple averaged 35.3 percent shooting three’s.
That was do to Moorman and Alani shooting 42.4 percent in conference play., and not Alston, Rose, and and NPL, who all shot below 35 percent.

This demonstrates clearly that Temple would have scored more points if both Moorman and Alani had shot three’s
more often they did and they had shot them more than Rose, Nate, and Alston did. This was obvious as Moorman shot 41 percent on three’s for the whole season yet shot few shots.

What’s ironic is that HC FD said before the season that his goal wa to have Temple shoot 37 percent on three’s. That goal would have been easily exceeded if Moorman and Alani had shot two or three times the number of three’s they shot. Not having those who shot a higher percentage on three's cost Temple wins, as Alston and Ride has some bad three-point shooting games.

My main point this can not be allowed to repeat itself this season. Given Moorman’s and Alani’s ‘s stellar season shooting three’s , they both should more three’s Rose and NPL do, from the outset of the season than Rose and NPL do. And the ultimate pecking order should be based on merit, not favoritism.
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Confirmed that Temple beat Georgetown by 1-point. No other
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It's my view that Temple has much better shooters than Rose and NPL, (who each shot about 34% FG3%).

Moorman, Scott, Alani, Hamilton, D. Moore, and Dunn are superior shooters. Don’t understand why you don’t want Moorman to take the most shots, nor Alani to play much when both shot the highest three percentages at 42.4 percent in conference play.

It appears, you prefer Rose and NPL to take the most fga!s.

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1. When you refer to "shooters," I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you referring to FG2%, FG3%, FT%, TSP?

One approach is to go with the statistics for each category - - whatever the numbers show for last season would determine "best shooters."

I don't think that there is necessarily a statistical category for best overall shooter, other than true shooting percentage, and I'm not quite sure if everyone would agree it's the best index.

Bottom line is: Best "shooter" depends on which type of shooting we're referring to.


2. Are there better shooters than QR and NPL? Definitely, but it depends on the category.

As you pointed out, Alani and Moorman both hit a higher % of 3 point shots then QR and NPL did.

However, the .348/.347 FG3% of QR and NPL during conference play was quite good. Note that First Team AAC Shizz Alston shot .333 during conference play - so both QR and NPL shot a higher FG3% than Shizz did.

Why? Because it is greater than a FG2% of .500.

For the season, NPL led all guards with a FG2% of .510. Rose's was .464.


3. I don't prefer QR and NPL to take the most shots. It would be ok with me if Scott takes more shots, and if JP Moorman takes the second most shots.

However, while Scott might take more shots, J.P.'s history was to take too few shots. The same has been true of Alani, across all 3 seasons.

My guess is that QR and NPL will do as they have done before, and that Scott will join them as the 3 most frequent shooters, because Scott has always been a high frequency shooter.

I don't expect Alani or Moorman to take a huge number of shots, simply because they never have in the past.

They have both been very cautious shooters, only letting a shot go if they are wide open with a clear look at the basket, or if they have to chuck the ball up with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock.

QR and NPL take a lot more shots, because somebody on the team has to, and their coach gave them the green light to do so. Their FG% isn't the highest on the team, because they are able or encouraged to create a shot or shoot even when they're not wide open.

So it's only in that limited sense that QR and NPL might be among the best shooters - - i.e., because their coach wanted those two guys to put up the most shots. In his view, that was his best chance to win games.

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It's a simple judgment call:

Do you consider someone the best shooter because they hit the highest percentage of their shots, even if they rarely shoot the ball?

or

Do you consider the shooters who score the most points the best shooters because they are fearless and creative enough to take a number of lower probability shots and hit a surprisingly high % of their lower probabiity shots?

Some will make the call one way and others will make the opposite choice.

There is probably no correct answer in these matters.
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(10-19-2019 07:26 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Confirmed that Temple beat Georgetown by 1-point. No other
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That strikes me as being pretty impressive and encouraging, if both HCs played their starters and bench players in roughly equal measure.

If it was played in D.C., I would have expected the Hoyas to "win" the scrimmages, since it was a road game for the Owls.

Would love to see the box score or read some highlights.

Is "bombs away" Moorman putting up 15 points per game, perhaps?

Also, it suggests that the Owls might not have had a terrible rebounding deficit, despite the Hoyas having taller interior players. If so, that would be outstanding news!
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