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RE: Temple men’s bb 2019-2020
Confirmed that Temple beat Georgetown by 1-point. No other
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It's my view that Temple has much better shooters than Rose and NPL, (who each shot about 34% FG3%).

Moorman, Scott, Alani, Hamilton, D. Moore, and Dunn are superior shooters. Don’t understand why you don’t want Moorman to take the most shots, nor Alani to play much when both shot the highest three percentages at 42.4 percent in conference play.

It appears, you prefer Rose and NPL to take the most fga!s.

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1. When you refer to "shooters," I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you referring to FG2%, FG3%, FT%, TSP?

One approach is to go with the statistics for each category - - whatever the numbers show for last season would determine "best shooters."

I don't think that there is necessarily a statistical category for best overall shooter, other than true shooting percentage, and I'm not quite sure if everyone would agree it's the best index.

Bottom line is: Best "shooter" depends on which type of shooting we're referring to.


2. Are there better shooters than QR and NPL? Definitely, but it depends on the category.

As you pointed out, Alani and Moorman both hit a higher % of 3 point shots then QR and NPL did.

However, the .348/.347 FG3% of QR and NPL during conference play was quite good. Note that First Team AAC Shizz Alston shot .333 during conference play - so both QR and NPL shot a higher FG3% than Shizz did.

Why? Because it is greater than a FG2% of .500.

For the season, NPL led all guards with a FG2% of .510. Rose's was .464.


3. I don't prefer QR and NPL to take the most shots. It would be ok with me if Scott takes more shots, and if JP Moorman takes the second most shots.

However, while Scott might take more shots, J.P.'s history was to take too few shots. The same has been true of Alani, across all 3 seasons.

My guess is that QR and NPL will do as they have done before, and that Scott will join them as the 3 most frequent shooters, because Scott has always been a high frequency shooter.

I don't expect Alani or Moorman to take a huge number of shots, simply because they never have in the past.

They have both been very cautious shooters, only letting a shot go if they are wide open with a clear look at the basket, or if they have to chuck the ball up with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock.

QR and NPL take a lot more shots, because somebody on the team has to, and their coach gave them the green light to do so. Their FG% isn't the highest on the team, because they are able or encouraged to create a shot or shoot even when they're not wide open.

So it's only in that limited sense that QR and NPL might be among the best shooters - - i.e., because their coach wanted those two guys to put up the most shots. In his view, that was his best chance to win games.

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It's a simple judgment call:

Do you consider someone the best shooter because they hit the highest percentage of their shots, even if they rarely shoot the ball?

or

Do you consider the shooters who score the most points the best shooters because they are fearless and creative enough to take a number of lower probability shots and hit a surprisingly high % of their lower probabiity shots?

Some will make the call one way and others will make the opposite choice.

There is probably no correct answer in these matters.
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(10-19-2019 07:26 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Confirmed that Temple beat Georgetown by 1-point. No other
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That strikes me as being pretty impressive and encouraging, if both HCs played their starters and bench players in roughly equal measure.

If it was played in D.C., I would have expected the Hoyas to "win" the scrimmages, since it was a road game for the Owls.

Would love to see the box score or read some highlights.

Is "bombs away" Moorman putting up 15 points per game, perhaps?

Also, it suggests that the Owls might not have had a terrible rebounding deficit, despite the Hoyas having taller interior players. If so, that would be outstanding news!
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...in conference play Temple averaged 35.3 percent shooting three’s.
That was do to Moorman and Alani shooting 42.4 percent in conference play., and not Alston, Rose, and and NPL, who all shot below 35 percent.

This demonstrates clearly that Temple would have scored more points if both Moorman and Alani had shot three’s more often they did and they had shot them more than Rose, Nate, and Alston did. This was obvious as Moorman shot 41 percent on three’s for the whole season yet shot few shots.

What’s ironic is that HC FD said before the season that his goal was to have Temple shoot 37 percent on three’s. That goal would have been easily exceeded if Moorman and Alani had shot two or three times the number of three’s they shot. Not having those who shot a higher percentage on three's cost Temple wins, as Alston and Ride has some bad three-point shooting games.

My main point this can not be allowed to repeat itself this season. Given Moorman’s and Alani’s ‘s stellar season shooting three’s , they both should more three’s Rose and NPL do, from the outset of the season than Rose and NPL do. And the ultimate pecking order should be based on merit, not favoritism.


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I get your point, but I do not expect Alani to shoot more threes than QR will, although Moorman might.

Alani has rarely made more than 3 FG3A per game over the past 3 seasons. Last season, he averaged 1.9 FG3A in conference play.

In comparison, Rose took 4.9 and NPL took 2.7 FG3A per game in conference play last season.

J.P. Moorman is a different story. He averaged 3.3 FG3A in conference play, which was more than NPL took. His 3.3 FG3A was only a notch or two lower than Rose's 4.9 per game. All he'd have to do would be to take 1.6 more FG3As per game to match QR's 4.9 last season.

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It wouldn't bother me if Alani caught up with NPL, or if Moorman passed QR on this statistic in the coming season.

It seems much more likely that Moorman could end up in a virtual tie for the most 3 point shots per game with either Scott or Rose than that Alani would take twice as many 3 point shoths as he took last season.

It's not that Alani is timid, although FD might possibly have discouraged him from shooting unless wide open. It has more to do with his diminutive height, which makes it a lot easier for opposing defenders to block his view of the basket or block his shot with the wave of a hand.

In Moorman's case, the numbers show that he did take more 3 point shots than two of Temple's guards did, so he wasn't extremely hesitant to put up perimeter shots. If he was, it may have been because FD discouraged him shooting more than he did - but I have no info on that.

What makes Moorman's FG3A seem much too low is the fact that Shizz, by comparison, put up 8.7 three point attempts per game in conference play.

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One thing we would probably agree on is that some players are going to have to ratchet up the number of 3FGA per game, to compensate for the fact that the team lost its leading three point shooter in terms of the number of shots taken.

My guess is that Rose might increase from 4.9 to 5.9 or so, maybe Alani increases to 2.5 or so, perhaps NPL might increase to 3 or 3.5, and Moorman could increase to 4.5 to 5 or higher, if he gets the green light.

That still wouldn't make up for Alston's 8.7 per game, but the gap might be filled by Scott or by the combo of Scott and Dunn.
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(10-20-2019 02:25 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  ...in conference play Temple averaged 35.3 percent shooting three’s.
That was due to both Moorman and Alani shooting 42.4 percent in conference play. Alston, Rose, and and NPL,all shot below 35 percent.

This demonstrates clearly that Temple would have scored more points if both Moorman and Alani had shot three’s more often and had shot them more than Rose, Nate, and Alston did.

It’s ironic is that HC FD said before the season that his goal was to have Temple shoot 37 percent on three’s. That goal would have been easily exceeded if Moorman and Alani had shot two or three times the number of three’s they shot. Not doing so cost Temple wins, as Alston and Rose had some bad three-point shooting games.

My hope is that this will not be repeated this season. There should be no favoritism.


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I get your point, but I do not expect Alani to shoot more threes than QR will, although Moorman might.

Alani has rarely made more than 3 FG3A per game over the past 3 seasons. Last season, he averaged 1.9 FG3A in conference play.

In comparison, Rose took 4.9 and NPL took 2.7 FG3A per game in conference play last season.

J.P. Moorman is a different story. He averaged 3.3 FG3A in conference play, which was more than NPL took. His 3.3 FG3A was only a notch or two lower than Rose's 4.9 per game. All he'd have to do would be to take 1.6 more FG3As per game to match QR's 4.9 last season.

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It wouldn't bother me if Alani caught up with NPL, or if Moorman passed QR on this statistic in the coming season.

It seems much more likely that Moorman could end up in a virtual tie for the most 3 point shots per game with either Scott or Rose than that Alani would take twice as many 3 point shoths as he took last season.

It's not that Alani is timid, although FD might possibly have discouraged him from shooting unless wide open. It has more to do with his diminutive height, which makes it a lot easier for opposing defenders to block his view of the basket or block his shot with the wave of a hand.

In Moorman's case, the numbers show that he did take more 3 point shots than two of Temple's guards did, so he wasn't extremely hesitant to put up perimeter shots. If he was, it may have been because FD discouraged him shooting more than he did - but I have no info on that.

What makes Moorman's FG3A seem much too low is the fact that Shizz, by comparison, put up 8.7 three point attempts per game in conference play.

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One thing we would probably agree on is that some players are going to have to ratchet up the number of 3FGA per game, to compensate for the fact that the team lost its leading three point shooter in terms of the number of shots taken.

My guess is that Rose might increase from 4.9 to 5.9 or so, maybe Alani increases to 2.5 or so, perhaps NPL might increase to 3 or 3.5, and Moorman could increase to 4.5 to 5 or higher, if he gets the green light.

That still wouldn't make up for Alston's 8.7 per game, but the gap might be filled by Scott or by the combo of Scott and Dunn.


I just want to the best three point shooters take the most three’s, and the best two point shooters take the most two’s.

One problem in conference play last season was that Moorman and Alani only tool fga once every 4 minutes. They should have shot more often as they converted 3’s at a higher rate, 42.4 percent (equivalent to 64 percent on 2’s) than not only of any other Temple player, but at higher rate than than any player in the AAC.

Their not shooting often was the choice of the HC who had Temple’s big three-Alston, Rose, and NPL, taking Temple’s most shots.

So, it’s imperative that Alani and Moorman, if they’re on, shoot three’s more often this season.

Even though Alani is only 5’10,” he can get more open looks via passing the ball inside and than back-out, down-screens, and picks, and pick and pops.

If Moorman and Alani are on, they should take most of Alston’s 8.6 three’s per game. If so, Temple should score more points per game as Alston shot only 33 percent on three’s in conference play.

Both Rose and NPL’s have ugly shooting forms on three’s. They both have worked hard to get their 3-point shooting percentages to 34 percent
in conference play. Their 3-point shooting percentages need to be closely monitored, as Rose only shot 17-percent on three’s in non-conference games, and 30-percent on three’s in conference games.

NPL shoot’s two’s at 50 percentage and three’s at 3’s at 33 percent, an equivalent percentage, he should shoot two’s more since NPL gets to the foul-line more attempting 2’s,
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(10-20-2019 12:44 PM)Miggy Wrote:  The problem last season in conference play is that Moorman and Alani took fga’s once every 4 minutes or so when they were on the court. They should have shot more often as they converted 3’s at a higher rate than other Temple players, and a higher rate than anyone else in AAC. They shot three’s at an identical 42.4 percent, which is equivalent to shooting a whopping 63.4 percent on 2’s.

Their not shooting very often was not their choice as Temple’s big three Alston, Rose, and NPL were Temple’s HC’s preferred shooters.

So, it’s not how often they shot three’s last season, it’s more imperative they shoot three’s often this season given they shoot three’s better than any other returnee.


I mostly agree about Moorman. FD could and probably should have encouraged him to put up 1 or 2 more 3 point attempts per game, because that would have loosened up the defenders on the back court players.

Will he increase from 3.3 to 8.7 three point attempts per game? Possibly, but it seems more likely that McKie will encourage him to take closer to 5 or 6 FG3A/game.

I'm expecting Temple's guards to once again score ~55-60 ppg. Coach McKie seems to want to score a few more ppg this season with a higher tempo offense - let's say the goal is closer to 78-80 ppg.

To score that many points, Temple's big men (C, PF) would have to score ~ 20 to 24 ppg on average, which should be possible. As a starter, Moorman might be able to score 10-12 ppg in 25 mpg, assuming that Perry plays the other 15 mpg as backup PF. At the PF position, Perry could probably score 5 ppg. Add his and Moorman's points, and the two PFs could increase their scoring to 14-15+ ppg. That would really help the Owls win some games, especially on nights when back court scoring might sag a bit.

Another possibility is that Moorman himself could score 12-15 ppg, with the two PFs averaging 18-20 ppg. That would make the Owls very tough to beat by all but the best opponents. Some teams have had PFs that have combined for 18-20 ppg, so this is within the realm of possible.

The Centers, I assume, will average ~11-13+ ppg, which would result in total PF+C scoring in the 23-25+ ppg range. Put that together with 55+ ppg from the back court, and the Owls seem likely to score 78-80+ ppg, on average. This seems like an overestimate, and may be too high if Dunn doesn't score many points, but it's only a few ppg more than last season.

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I think that Alani's situation is very, very different from Moorman's.

While it's true that he is a good three point shooter, he has rarely scored more than 10 ppg, and averaged about 5 ppg last season.

Alani isn't a very capable perimeter defender, due to his short stature, and so his minutes have had to be limited. Last season, Alani played ~15-20 mpg as the main backup for Alston, NPL, and partial backup for Rose, or occasionally when Temple went with 4 guards.

This season, his minutes will again be limited for the same reason - - the crucial importance of perimeter defense. Since most of us expect Scott to play in the 30-35 mpg range, Alani's minutes are unlikely to increase and may be more likely to decrease significantly, especially when Dunn begins to play significant minutes in the back court.

For example, we might see something like this by mid-season:

Scott 33 mpg, NPL 34 mpg, Rose 32 mpg, Alani 11 mpg, Dunn 11 mpg

The way you have described Dunn, it might be possible for him to play more like 15+ mpg. If so, most of that playing time will probably be diverted from Alani to Dunn.

So, as I see it, Alani will be a utility/role player who will once again be the main back up guard until Dunn enters the core rotation. At that point, the back up guard minutes will gradually shift from Alani to Dunn, and Dunn might end up playing twice as many minutes as Alani does by the end of the season.

Certainly, Alani will still be the primary backup PG, and will appear intermittently when ball control becomes a top priority. Beyond that, if Dunn doesn't become an impact player this season, Alani could play 20 mpg much of the way.

There is an adage that goes like this: The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

It's actually a flimsy and flawed notion, but there is a measure of truth in it. Only rarely does an athlete become a completely differently player from one season to the next.

I don't know how many ppg you think Alani will score, but my educated guess is that he'll score somewhere between 5 and 10 ppg this season.
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(10-21-2019 11:05 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Alani did start the Georgetown scrimmage at PG. Expect James Scott to come off the bench and play substantial minutes. Makes sense to bring Scott’s scoring off the bench. Temple did not have that last season. If Scott started would be too much pressure on Dunn to score, plus he’ll probably miss first few games.

So, if A.Moore, NPL, Rose,Moorman, and D.Moore starting, that means coming off the bench wil be Scott, Perry, Hamilton, and Dunn. Tough nine-man rotation.

The prospect of seeing McKie start those 5 players is absolutely dreadful to me., because those 5 players did not play very well as a unit last year.

Both Rose and NPL only functioned at a high level when they played alongside Alston. When Alani was in the game with them, the whole offense slowed down, and opponents were easily able to shut Rose and NPL down most of the time. Also, Alani has trouble passing into the interior, so D.Moore and Moorman got few open shots at the basket.

If McKie does start those five, I think that the team will routinely fall behind the better opponents until Scott comes into the game.

The starting lineup you mention might work against the weaker competition, but I doubt if they will mount a strong lead against, for example, Penn, St. Joe's, or LaSalle.

The two of us will have to "agree to disagree" about this, because we have strong feelings about it, and we'll just have to wait and see how they play.

You may see Alani as starting, playing a few minutes, and then Scott playing most of the PG minutes. If so, I can imagine it as a possibility.

My prediction is that, with Scott in the starting lineup, Temple will be able to compete with all but the top 10 teams in the country.

If I am correct, then I hope and expect that McKie will quickly learn that the suggested starting lineup puts the team as a disadvantage and makes a quick adjustment.

Last point about this - - once Dunn returns, he should be able to be that sparkplug off the bench that Coach McKie feels is necessary. At that point, I hope Alani and Dunn both come off the bench, with Scott starting.

If our HC tries the above starting lineup, and the results are as bad as I expect, the longer it takes him to adjust, the more severe the absence of Dunn will be for the team.
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(10-22-2019 09:58 AM)Miggy Wrote:  ESPN has come out with a list of college basketball’s top 30 new faces. Lists players as 10 best freshman, 10 best transfer who can play immediately, and 10 best transfers who sat out a year.

Temple’s James Scott listed no. 7 among new faces who sat out a year. Says he joins Rose and NPL to form “intriguing,” backcourt.

Temple men’s bb starting to get some love. As poster on another message board after looking closely at Temple’s stats says Temple should be top 25 team.

If Scott averaged 17 ppg at KSU and scored 20 ppg in their Q1 and Q2 games, then there's every reason to expect that he will do more or less the same at Temple, despite playing in a more competitive conference.

QR scored 17 ppg last season and is 1st team pre-season AAC, so Scott may be either 1st or 2nd team all AAC by end of season. Considering that Nate is 2nd team pre-season AAC, it is conceivable that Temple's 3 thard/wings will be the best, or one of the two best back courts in the conference.

If they make it into the NCAA tournament, these 3 players might well be one of the best back courts in the tournament, and one of the best in Temple's history.

The only place where I disagree is where Temple should be ranked now and will be ranked late in the season. I don't think TU is a top 50 team right now, due to Dunn's injury and questions about D. Moore's health.

Due to the shaky and inconsistent performances at the PF and C positions last season, a 23-8 or 22-9 season and 3rd or 4th place in AAC is the very best that I could imagine for this team, unless Dunn turns out to be a major impact player (he may not even be an impact player at all if his foot doesn't get back to 100%).

I'm pessimistic about the OOC schedule. We need to go 9-3 or 8-4 at the worst, but if Dunn and D. Moore are limited by injuries - as Dunn will be - there is no guarantee that Temple will win more than 6 or 7 of their 6 OOC games. Starting out with 6 or 7 early losses would push them out of the top 25 for the entire season.
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(10-22-2019 05:19 PM)Miggy Wrote:  ... regardless of what combination of Temple players who this year shoot Alston’s three’s, those three’s are going to be shot at a higher rate, and Temple is going to score more points. I say this because every Temple player who shoots three’s convert lax three’s at a higher rate than Alston did.

Also believe that Temple will take way more three’s this year

We’ll have to keep a close on Rose and Scott to see who’s shooting better to determine who should shoot more. Comparing foul-shot production has to be factored in as well. Also no reason for Scott to play less minutes thatn Rose If Scott more productive than Rose.

With Scott likely to play thirty minutes per game, some seven minutes less than Shizz did, it’s unlikely he will average 14.8 fga’s per game in conference play and average as many points ask Alston did in conference play.

When D.Dunn returns, his production and efficiency shooting has to be compared to Rose, to see if there should be a change in allocating each one’s playing time.

I don't expect the team to improve its 3 point shooting %, mostly because the 3 point line will be 10 inches further back. Thus, any improvements in shooting form may well be negated by the greater distance of shots taken. I will be very happy if the team's FG3% is about the same as last season, insofar as Temple was one of the better 3 point shooting teams in conference last season.

Regarding the number of three point shots, there is risk of over-relying on perimeter shooting, because it can allow opponents to over-defend the perimeter with double teams and pressure in the back court. I'm not sure how often our guard/wings will be able to make an assist to D Moore or Hamilton if they are under high defensive pressure.

It's analogous to football, in which over-reliance on the passing game can result in defeat, because the opponent tends to adjust by easing up on the run defense. There needs to be both effective rushing and passing in order to keep the defense "honest."

To get open perimeter shots, our guard/wings will have to penetrate fairly often to the basket and shoot, draw a foul, or dish to a big man. If they hoist up 3's too predictably, they will get burned by any team that has good perimeter defenders.

Fortunately, Rose, Scott, and NPL are able to penetrate the defense, and we have some offensive firepower in our bigs near the basket.

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Regarding adjustments regarding who takes the most shots, these may happen between games and/or within the space of a game. Last season, FD seems to have been too predictable, by instructing all but the big 3 to take relatively few shots, making our offense too predictable. Hopefully, McKie will be a bit more flexible, encouraging all players to get the ball and shoot it, while making sure that guys like Perry shoot mostly 2 point shots, etc. The guys who are best at creating their own shots generally take the most shots, but if they're streaky and sometimes "cold" as Nate was for some entire halfs, the ball should go to guys who are hitting theirs.

Regarding playing time, if Scott becomes the star of the team, the way Alston was last season, then he may play closer to 35 mpg. Rose seems to play better if he rests ~ 10 minutes in most games, and if his foot is sore at times, his PT could drop to 25-30 mpg. NPL will probably play ~35 mpg. When Rose rests, Scott and NPL would play the wings with Alani @ PG, who I expect to play ~ 18-22 mpg, unless and until Dunn becomes a significant contributor.

If my optimism about Scott being part of a "big 3" this season, then he should probably play at least 33 to 35 mpg this season. Coach McKie should pick up on this pretty quickly, because Scott is the kind of player who can win otherwise lose-able games for the team.

When Dunn returns, with a foot near 100% (by December 15th or 20th ??) as Coach says he will be strict about, his playing time will probably be very short at first, to see how well he can do, and at best, might increase very gradually until conference play starts to maybe ~4-8 mpg.

Keeping NPL in mind, he was fully healthy as a freshman, but didn't play much until the conference schedule began. Because there was a need to get more PT from the freshmen at that point, NPL's PT increased markedly to over 20 mpg by the end of season and he became a major impact player.

Since Dunn is recovering from surgery, he will get a later start than Nate did, and you can bet that Aaron M will monitor that foot very carefully and be cautious about playing him until there are no signs of foot discomfort or re-injury after each game.

Thus, unless he has a very rapid recovery, the prospects of him playing major minutes the way Nate did by mid-season may not be great. However, if he does extremely well in early conference play, it's possible that he could play 20+ minutes per game later in the season.

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Generally, I've learned to set my expectations a bit low most seasons, with the hope that they will be surpassed.

I do expect Temple's big 3 to average about 48-51 ppg this season, which is very optimistic, but I'm not convinced that Temple's big men will contribute more than 22 or 23 ppg, on average, or that Temple's back up guard/wings will score much more than 6-7 ppg. This adds up to anywhere between 76 and 81 ppg, probably slightly higher than last season. But I'm very concerned that the rebounding and defense of Temple's bigs will decline compared to last season, due to the absence of Ern Aflakpui.
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Granger the big three of Rose, NPL and Scott averaged 35.5 ppg in conference play, not the 48-51 ppg you predicted, because McKie’s offensive and defensive systems were so bad, and Scott did not average the 35 mpg he should have.

Temple’s bigs averaged but 21.6 ppg, not the 23 or more points you had hoped for and predicted.

Rumors are that Jake Forrester likely to be granted waiver by NCAA to play, not so for Strickland.

Forrester needs to learn how not to foul, and how to play under control.
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Great interview with JP Moorman on Owlscoop podcast. He’d be a natural broadcaster. Carried the interview.

Says McKie wants team to think national championship. and there’s no pressure on the team as they know they are good as every player on the roster can shoot. Said that key is finding the open man, and not playing selfishly. Music to my ears.

Says team much better on defense this year than last year, and out-rebounded Georgetown by large margin.

He also said ‘s Temple is more athletic on offense than last year.

Said James Scott can shoot from anywhere off his dribble, and can get to the hoop. Also said he’s very good playmaker. Said Scott can easily score 15 points in 15 minutes. Basically said Scott best player on the team. Suspect Mckie knows that as well, but his favoritm of other players kept Mckie from starting Scott not playing him 30 plus minutes per game.

After first naming all the good NBA players he has played with, he went on to praise Scott.

Said Dunn very mature player who’s ready to play even though he’s just a freshman. Said Josh Pierre-Louse best athlete he has ever played with, and will be great his junior or senior year once he becomes more “cerebral.”

It will be hard to beat Temple, as they have the ability to score on three’s, at the foul-line, and on 2’s, and will commit less turnovers and holds it’s own on the glass. Looks like Temple will do that.

Coach McKie says he wished season began this week, an indication that he’s confident he has a helluva team.
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The AAC conference has a lot of good team’s this year. It’s my view that Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Wichita State, USF, and UConn.

If we count top 100 as "good teams," the AAC has ~9 good teams.

SMU and UCF might surprise some people.


It’s my belief that Temple has the best overall offensive players in the conference. And I also believe that Temple is much stronger defensively inside.

Very possibly #1 or #2.

My only fear is those conference teams that have good defenses.

Especially because Temple's interior defense may give up 50% of 2 point shots.

I would add teams that have great rebounders and good ball control.


In the AAC both Houston and Cincinnati both had the two best defenses in the AAC last season, as both teams held opponents to only 64 ppg in conference play.

Question: Will Cincy's new HC emphasize defense as much as Cronin?

Do think as of right now Temple will battle Houston for the conference championship.

I see Memphis battling Houston and possibly Cincy for championship, with Temple battling for 3rd or 4th place.


Houston will have a strong defense again this season, but even so, Temple did beat Houston.


In one of the two games they played last season. And Temple only lost at Houston because Temple fouled excessively, and got beat at the foul-line.

We only play them at home, so maybe Temple can repeat.


Do think Temple and Houston have the two best backcourts in the conference, with UC third.

TU might have the top backcourt if Dunn becomes an impact player.


While Cincinnati finished 2nd in the conference last season, and although pundits rate Cincinnati in the nation top twenty teams, I see them falling in conference play this season.

Jerry Palm and Joe Lunardi have Cincy and USF in their bracketologies, so I'm thinking that Cincy [b]might be the #3 team in conference, followed by (#4) USF, Temple, or Wichita State (because of Greg Marshall).[/b]

Cincinnati has a new HC who is not defensive minded. So Cincinnati not likely to hold teams to 64 ppg. Also, Temple last year out shot Cincy percentage wise on two's, three’s, and at the foul-line. That should continue this season.

Cincy strikes me as a real unknown, with new HC and so many new players. A big challenge will be to teach the players a new system and to get the players to gel into an efficient unit. I could envision Temple, Wichita State, and USF battling with Cincy for third place.
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(10-24-2019 08:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Just want to comment on some topics we haven’t covered.

Posters often look to a players bad stats in certain categories such as fouls, turnover and shooting percentages, and is likely to repeat the same mistakes from the year before.

In some cases that’s true, sometimes not.

As an example, prior to last season there was a discussion about how Moorman’s Perry both fouled excessively the year before, and could they reduce their fouling the year before. They did because such was pointed out to them, told to remain aggressive on defense, but try not foul. They made a concerted effort not to foul as much this past season, and each player reduced their fouling by over 20 percent.

Also, players can be taught how to guard so they don’t foul when confronted by certain situations.

And it’s important for both coaches and players throughout a game, especially time-outs,,l to tell players not to foul. This rarely happens, but when it does, it helps take points off the opponent’s score.

I know a player who did that when his team played in the first-round of the NCAA tournament last season. His team outshot the opponent but turned the ball over way more than the opponent did, and would have lost the game but for him constantly reminding his teammates not to foul. His team won by 6-points as his team made 8 more foul shots than the opponent did, as they shot only 5-7 at the foul-line for the whole game. Yes, the opponent took but 7-foul-shots! His team then moved on to the second round.

The same goes for shooting. When advanced stats show a player shoots long two’s poorly, they should greatly reduce the number of long two’s they shoot the following year. Q. Rose is aware that he had a problem shooting long two’s last season. Others have the same problem. Let’s see how Rose responds this season.

Sometimes, players commit a large number of turnovers in a season that are not their fault. As the HC runs a predictable offense that leads to unnecessary turnovers. For example, the HC, on quite a few plays, has his wing initiate a bounce pass into the high-post.

Opposing coaches know that, so they have a player anticipate the pass, cut l-in and steal the bounce pass. This happens over and over again during the course of the season. It’s not the wings fault, but an observer of his stats, being unaware of what’s occurring, blames the player.

So, we should all be hesitant to put a player down, and say he’s not good at this or that as there may be a back story.


Interesting points.

I agree about all of these nuances. There are so many things to be aware of that it's impossible for even the best teams to get everything 100% right.

Also, since a lot of us don't know all of the key details, none of us can have perfect confidence in any of our observations. The unknown variables affect players and coaches in ways that most of us will never be fully aware of.

This was driven home to me earlier today, when I read the interview of Q. Rose, who reported that he played on a stress fracture for over a month, but didn't consider it serious enough to tell anyone until the pain became excessive. It surprise me that FD watch him play for a month without noticing the change in his game or having the team trainer take an x-ray of his foot.

Similarly, there have been plenty of other injuries that haven't been reported or noticed by most fans.

Then, there are all kinds of life events, player mistakes, coaching lapses that no one ever hears about.

So ultimately, it usually makes the most sense to not make personal inferences based on poor play.

That's why, when I've critized players' performances, in particular, I have kept it focused on their actions or on things coaches and players have said or done, not the cause of their actions, which I'm not fully aware of.

I've written that Alani's productivity has rarely been above average, but have never said anything bad about him as a person. Similarly, I've critiqued Hamilton's rebounding, but haven't said about him as a person.

I do have very advanced and specialized training in observing behavior, so I am fully capable of making somewhat extensive inferences from videotaped behavior and interviews, published reports, and other sources.

You mentioned my use of the word "better vibe" which is the term LGIII used to described Coach McKie in comparison with FD. I repeated it because even an informal word like "better vibe" conveys significant information to a person with high EQ and/or sufficient training.

A few days later, Q Rose reported in his recent interview words to the effrect that "naturally...Coach McKie is more interested (in the players & team) because he is younger (than FD)."

Putting that together with what LG III said, these words may tell us a surprising amount about the way some of the players perceive the two coaches.

To me, their words confirm perfectly with what I've been thinking about FD for the past 2-3 years. based on nearly a decade of advanced training and work in the field. It all fits - his manner during taped and TV videos, his behavior while coaching, his interactions with players, the mediocre team performances prior to last season, the players subdued demeanor during press conferences.

I shared some of these observations online as a Temple fan, because the Coach's functioning is so crucial to a team. Some people blamed certain players (Alani, Damion, Obi, etc.), but I didn't, because I was noticing more and more that the HC was not functioning anywhere near his best.

I agree with you about trying not to insult the players when critiquing them on the way they play the game, but it's generally considered fair game to critique a HC if he's messing up because being critiqued (without demonizing him, of course) simply goes with the job that he signed up for.
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In my observation of the few Temple practices I attended last season, former HC FD interacted with the players both during the practices and afterwards very well. Seemed to have a great relationship with players.
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With guests and potential journalists present, perhaps he was "on (especially) good behavior."

Not saying he wasn't capable of having good relationships with players, but there is other evidence showing that he also had a less pleasant side.

I've seen videotapes of a very taciturn, curt, glib, and darker side of him, and there have been numerous reports that he showed quite a bit of anger/frustration/negativity while chewing out players in the locker room, e.g., at halftime.

The fact that LGIII said that the vibe was significantly better with Coach McKie (compared to FD) is very telling, as is QR's statement that McKie is showing noticeably more interest in the team compared to FD, "naturally ... because he is younger."

The past three or four seasons were very difficult for FD and team with all their losses and disappointments, paired with FD being informed that he would be replaced this season.

I never saw FD with a hearty and authentic smile on his face; all he seemed able to mention was a brief grin ... on a very good day.

In addition, there has been a general consensus that FD was a very unsuccessful recruiter over the past several years. True that he was involved in Alston's recruitment, but it wasn't until McKie got involved in his recruiting that Alston's interest in Temple picked up. There were strong indications that McKie made the difference with Alston.

FD's lack of recruiting success suggests to me that a lot of recruits weren't particularly jazzed about the idea of playing for him.

The overall pattern - not any single point - provides some fairly compelling evidence as to why some recruits considered the "vibe" to be less than ideal when FD was HC.

There are many other observations that could be added, such as the fact that FD and the team went through a series of seasonal slumps from early/mid December until late January, the fact that FD generally isolated himself on the sidelines with , the fact that, with the occasional exception of Chris Clark, the assistant coaches were usually as silent as pall bearers at a funeral, during games, as if they were all given identical orders not to pipe up, just as they were all seemingly required to wear exactly the same black business suits, and walk in step like soldiers. as they entered the court.

In addition, unless it was McKie's choice not to sit next to FD on the sidelines (which would be telling all by itself), McKie never had a chance to develop game coaching skills by sitting next to FD - - not even during his final season.

All this suggests to me that FD wasn't a particularly happy camper or a highly-engaged and energetic coach the past few seasons, that he ran a pretty tight ship, was a pretty tough boss, and generally ran the team like a business.

Along the same lines, there were numerous episodes of what is termed as "putting a player in his dog house." This definitely happened to Alani Moore, to former players like Craig Williams (very successful pro career overseas), and at times to D. Moore. In addition, there were several players who left the team, such as Aaron Brown - a very good player (successive career after he transferred) who was unfairly underplayed, and Anthony Lee, Temple's best Center who became unhappy, much less productive his last Temple season, and transferred to Ohio State.

In addition, there were many players who were extremely dissatisfied with the amount of playing they got early in their carers, and as a result developed very slowly (or never developed at all). This also applies to Justyn Hamilton, who only got garbage time minutes toward the end of his freshman season.

There were also enough positives, or enough memories of what used to be FD's strengths to keep him at Temple - if barely - his last 4 years as HC.

But the main point is that, while FD had some substantial regular success (albeit fleeting post-season success) for more than half his career, his performance as HC declined gradually after he signed his final contract extension.

I'm not saying that any of this was FD's fault, just simply that he went into what may have been a simple age-related decline. The loss of energy, the decreased interest, the seasonal slumps, the poor recruiting, episodes of grouchiness and being taciturn all fit with such a pattern.

Ultimately, it was Temple's fault for giving FD an excessively long contract extension, with little or no incentive for him to perform at a high level throughout the extended contract.
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(10-25-2019 11:18 AM)Miggy Wrote:  My big concern the past few years has been fouling.

I’ve seen too many good players have to sit out the balance of the first half because they picked l-up two early fouls. To many games have been decided by teams fouling to often, and by them shooting poorly at the foul-line.

The increase in Temple’s number of foul shots was directly do to Nate, playing more minutes in conference play and getting fouled more at the rim, Quentin Rose and Shizz Alston driving more, and all three players getting fouled more at the end ogf games when Temple had the lead,

Temple coaches need to teach how players can play aggressively from different places on the court without fouling. Players have to play smartly.

Telling players not to foul throughout s game is imperative, in keeping opponents out of penalty situations...

Definitely agree with all these points.

To me, the fouling glitches show that this year's coaching staff is going to have to be a lot more proactive in this, interior defense, rebounding, and other areas.

I am optimistic that this brand new coaching staff, with the enthusiasm of building a newer and better program, as well as extensive playing and coaching experience, is going to be more active this season.

Also important is the fact that Aaron McKie is an entirely different individual, and that there is likely to be an influx of "fresh air," excitement, more allowance for coaching staff innovation/creativity, etc.
If I were a player or coach, I would be ten times more enthusiastic about doing my utmost to help take the team to its highest heights with McKie as the Head Coach.
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(10-26-2019 03:51 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Heard Temple lost to St.Johns 97-86, in a 40-minute scrimmage.

The good news is that Temple showed it can score a lot of points, and hopefully we’ll learn that a good number Temple players scored inthe scrimmage, and not just a few.

Very little has been reported other than James Scott scored 17-points, Temple was out-rebounded, and St.Johns made 11-25 three’s. Scott’s scoring is some indication that he can replace Alston’s scoring,
and that’s a good thing.

I’m interested in learning who started at PG and who played PG in the scrimmage. Also, what was the score at halftime, and who played well,and who did not. Also concerned whether Temple turned the ball over more than St. John’s did.

There’s no reason for St.John’s to shoot 12-25 on three’s, as Temple last season shut-down opponent three’s at a high rate as Temple limited conference opponents to shooting only 29.6 percent on three’s.

In Temple’s first game played in the Bahamas temple did not try to stop the three ball, and such resulted in the opponent shooting in the high nineties in points scored. Temple has to stop them three ball from being scored, by either getting in the perimeters face and making him dribble or deny the perimeter opponent the ball. Apparently, Temple did neither in the St.Johns scrimmage.

If Temple had tried to stop St. John’s from hitting three’s , St.Johns would probably have scored 18-points on three’s, and not then 36-points they did, and St.Johns would have scored in the high seventies in points, and Temple would have won the scrimmage.

Temple needs to getting it’s act together defending the three ball.

And St.Johns didn’t seem to have faced much Temple opposition in hitting two-point shots in the scrimmage. Such was also Temple’s nemesis last season.

It sounds like the St. Johns game didn't go very well for Temple - - which might be a blessing in disguise if it it has taught Coach McKie some important things about the limitations of some of the lineups he put on the floor, or other issues that need to be corrected.

Overall, the picture seems consistent with the team's weaknesses last season with respect to 2 pt. shooting and interior defense. However, the poor perimeter defense is atypical (although Temple's perimeter D wasn't great in the early season last year).

If JPL didn't play much, then either Rose or NPL had an off-day on defense, or the poor perimeter defender was either Alani or Scott.

Not having detailed info about the game, I would be inclined to think that, if Alani played a lot of minutes, that may have been largely responsible for the poor perimeter defense.

The problem is that Alani isn't anywhere near tall enough to keep opposing shooters from getting a good look at the basket. Alani has been torched relentlessly by 6'3" or taller guards from 3 point land.

Of course, it's possible that another guard or two failed to play tight perimeter D, or that the whole guard unit failed to do so.

Another possibility is that perhaps the style/system of play that McKie has been teaching may be reminiscent of the way Paul Westhead coached Loyola Marymount to play a run and gun game, with the result simply being a high scoring contest between two offensive units.

Key to the early season is what Coach McKie learns from the teams' poor defensive performance, and what steps he will take to correct it.
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(11-04-2019 01:32 PM)Miggy Wrote:  USF men’s bb: Alexis Yetna out for season with knee injury. Awful.

Jedclampett, where are you? Season starts tomorrow.

Had to take a couple days off.

Wow - season's already here! Thanks for the game info.

Drexel has played some competitive games vs Temple in recent years. The City "6" series are almost like most of the Big 5 games at this point.

Temple's going to have to play well to beat them.

Fortunately, the G'town and St John's scrimmages suggest that Temple may be capable and well-coached enough to win game 1.

My focus will be on how McKie manages the rotation, especially the PG position, and how well he can make any needed adjustments. I'm also keying in on the overall balance of the rotation in terms of minutes played (Top 5 150 mpg; Bench 50 mpg, or more or less than that?). Until Dunn returns, McKie may have to play his top 5 players more like 160 minutes.

Also very focused on how the big men perform, especially rebounding and interior defense. I think we'll need ~20 ppg and 20 rbg from them most of the way, as well as solid defense.

Somehow, I doubt that Coach will employ a zone defense early in the season after all these seasons with Dunphy's system and wanting to speed the tempo. However, if Temple gets torched by opposing teams, he may be forced to train them to play some zone to put opponents off-kilter, stop runs, etc.

I will make a minor prediction, which is that unless McKie teaches the team to play zone defense at least some of the time, I don't think this team will make it into the NCAA tournament. There are too many players on the team who don't play perimeter or interior defense well enough to stop the top 60-80 teams from outscoring this team. I'm mostly referring to Scott and Alani (due to height), as well as the PF/Centers.

The main positives for Temple strike me as being the Big 3 guard/wings and the fact that the team has an 8 man core rotation made up of Juniors and Seniors, which should help noticeably against younger and less experienced teams - - especially early in the season.

I'm thinking about the Cornell and Wisconsin teams a few years back that were made of mostly seniors. Their experience gave them an enormous advantage. Cornell beat Temple in the NCAA that season, despite the fact that Temple was clearly a more talented team ( I believe that they were a 5 seed vs Cornell (#12 seed), but Cornell was well coached, and the game was pretty much decided midway through the second half.

So, this time, Temple may be the team with the big experience advantage. They will probably need it.
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(11-09-2019 10:40 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Temple had no offense, as it’s defense, 14 steals in particular led the easy lay’ups.

The only bright spot in Temple’s offense in was Dre Perry, who scored 12-points on 4-6
shooting, including 2-3 on three’s, and he converted both his foul-shots. He was the only player to make even half his shots.

To know that 9 other Temple players made less than half there shots, and Temple won with scoring margin of 18-points is unheard of, and highlights how good Temple’s defense was creating turnovers, and defending well in half court play, and Temple keeping their fouling to the bare minimum.

Temple improved from the foul linectaking 32 foul-shots today.foul line. Last season in conference play Temple only averaged 22-foul shots per conference. The reason for the increase is Temple stealing the ball so often this season and being fouled on lay-ups. Hope that continues.

On the flip side, in two games, Temple has only shot from the foul line 65-percent, compared to
72.7 percent last season.
And for those who think Temple will be in deep trouble come conference time because it’s defense woun’t be as good, I respectfully will disagree and explain of it’s lack of offense, I
will explain tomorrow why I think that is not so.

For those who think Temple’s offense is in deep do-do, I’ll address that issue as well.

Should be noted that Temple averaged 75-points in conference play last season, and also scored 75 point today. The difference is that today with 9-players shooting poorly, Temple scored the same number of points that Temple averaged last season.

The easy answer Temple scoring well in future games thst of some of Temple’s players have to shoot better going forward.

.Tomorrow i’ll give a more detailed explanation what both the coaches and players have to to increase more offensive production.

I don't think it is fair to compare what Temple did against Morgan St. today to what they did in conference play last year. Apples to onions comparison.
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Temple opened it’s season at home playing lowly ranked Drexel 70-62. Temple scoring but 70 points is of concern because Temple only scored 31 points in the first half, had to apply a pressure defense the resulted in steals and lay-ups that enabled Temple to score 39 points in the second half.

Temple’s s half-court offense looked terrible.

Temple men’s bb player Jake Forrester to be granted waiver, and declared eligible to play by the NCAA.
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Temple won it’s second game against Morgan State 75-57.

Temple’s new pressure defense in the 2nd half allowed Temple to score the points they needed. Temple will do quite well in conference play if the HC employs it. As Temple’s pressure defense caused a Temple 18-point scoring margin.

Temple’s 14-steals were primarily responsible for Morgan State’s 19-turnovers in the game. Temple should be able to do that against better teams as even high quality guards have little or no ability to fend off defenders who crowd and try to steal the ball.

Temple applied its new pressure defense less than half the time. Imagine how more turnovers Temple will cause when it plays it’s new found defense more often, and likely they will.

Temple’s in your face perimeter defense caused Drexel to shoot only 1-10 on three’s in the second half, after Drexel made 5 three’s when Temple didn’t contest them in the first half.

Temple’s pressure defense against Drexel that resulted in Temple shooting 51.5 on two’s, as compared to Temple shooting 45 percent on two’s against Morgan State.

Last season, Temple shot 50.1 percent on two’s last season. In Temple’s two games this year, Temple has shot 48.3 percent on two’s. It’s pressure defense have held both opponents to shooting only 44.2 percent on two’s.

Temple has shot a woeful 25.3 percent on three’s in it’s first two games played.

Temple has averaged 72.5 ppg, and it’s opponents have only 59 ppg. Last season Temple opponents averaged 71.5 ppg.

Temple’s pressure defense caused 19 Morgan State turnovers to Temple’s only 6 turnovers, that resulted in Temple taking 10 more fga’s and 12 more foul shots than Morgan State.
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