Quote:Some residents in 34 counties in California will lose electricity overnight Tuesday into Wednesday in hopes to reduce the risk of the spread of wildfires, PG&E announced on Tuesday.

The power outages could last several days, PG&E said. This is due to high winds that are expected in parts of California on Wednesday and Thursday. Isolated areas could have winds of 60 to 70 MPH. Gusty winds coupled with dry conditions mean conditions will be favorable for wildfires.

Power company officials say that the outages will begin in the northern sections of the state, and trickle down into central and coastal sections of California.

“The safety of our customers and the communities we serve is our most important responsibility, which is why PG&E has decided to turn power off to customers during this widespread, severe wind event. We understand the effects this event will have on our customers and appreciate the public’s patience as we do what is necessary to keep our communities safe and reduce the risk of wildfire,” said Michael Lewis, PG&E’s senior vice president of Electric Operations.

Dozens of community centers will open during daylight hours while power is out. Those without power will have access to air conditioning, cellphone recharging stations and bottled water at these sites.

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https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/118...0393408513

so the electric corp. gets sued for negligence and now the consumers wonder why.....

ain' nuttin' butter than watching cali be cali.....

Looks like Cali should force them to bury all their lines.

(10-10-2019 10:13 PM)banker Wrote:  Looks like Cali should force them to bury all their lines.

if their resources are anything like comcrap, they'll lay on the ground until someone or something severs such...

that's impossible out there with their continual shifting tectonics....

and the santa ana rears its ugly head again....

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...ire-sylmar

Quote:The Saddleridge fire made a destructive march Friday in the northern foothills of the San Fernando Valley, burning numerous homes, closing two freeways and forcing thousands to flee.

The fire, which started in Sylmar, is moving rapidly to the west toward Porter Ranch and other communities.

Mandatory evacuations were issued to a huge swath of neighborhoods north of the 118 Freeway from Tampa Avenue all the way to the Ventura County line -- an area covering 100,000 residents. No injuries were reported.

The blaze was moving so fast that it jumped into neighborhoods before firefighters and police could warn residents.

(10-11-2019 07:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  and the santa ana rears its ugly head again....

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...ire-sylmar

Quote:The Saddleridge fire made a destructive march Friday in the northern foothills of the San Fernando Valley, burning numerous homes, closing two freeways and forcing thousands to flee.

The fire, which started in Sylmar, is moving rapidly to the west toward Porter Ranch and other communities.

Mandatory evacuations were issued to a huge swath of neighborhoods north of the 118 Freeway from Tampa Avenue all the way to the Ventura County line -- an area covering 100,000 residents. No injuries were reported.

The blaze was moving so fast that it jumped into neighborhoods before firefighters and police could warn residents.

The San Fernando Valley!!??? Noooo! Someone save the pornos!

Hope they are not planning to drive a Tesla to get away if the fires get too close to their house.

(10-11-2019 07:10 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  and the santa ana rears its ugly head again....

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...ire-sylmar

Quote:The Saddleridge fire made a destructive march Friday in the northern foothills of the San Fernando Valley, burning numerous homes, closing two freeways and forcing thousands to flee.

The fire, which started in Sylmar, is moving rapidly to the west toward Porter Ranch and other communities.

Mandatory evacuations were issued to a huge swath of neighborhoods north of the 118 Freeway from Tampa Avenue all the way to the Ventura County line -- an area covering 100,000 residents. No injuries were reported.

The blaze was moving so fast that it jumped into neighborhoods before firefighters and police could warn residents.

The San Fernando Valley!!??? Noooo! Someone save the pornos!

(10-11-2019 07:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:10 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  and the santa ana rears its ugly head again....

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...ire-sylmar

Quote:The Saddleridge fire made a destructive march Friday in the northern foothills of the San Fernando Valley, burning numerous homes, closing two freeways and forcing thousands to flee.

The fire, which started in Sylmar, is moving rapidly to the west toward Porter Ranch and other communities.

Mandatory evacuations were issued to a huge swath of neighborhoods north of the 118 Freeway from Tampa Avenue all the way to the Ventura County line -- an area covering 100,000 residents. No injuries were reported.

The blaze was moving so fast that it jumped into neighborhoods before firefighters and police could warn residents.

The San Fernando Valley!!??? Noooo! Someone save the pornos!

Is there a particular color of ribbon we should be wearing to show our support?

(10-11-2019 07:20 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:10 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 07:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  and the santa ana rears its ugly head again....

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...ire-sylmar

Quote:The Saddleridge fire made a destructive march Friday in the northern foothills of the San Fernando Valley, burning numerous homes, closing two freeways and forcing thousands to flee.

The fire, which started in Sylmar, is moving rapidly to the west toward Porter Ranch and other communities.

Mandatory evacuations were issued to a huge swath of neighborhoods north of the 118 Freeway from Tampa Avenue all the way to the Ventura County line -- an area covering 100,000 residents. No injuries were reported.

The blaze was moving so fast that it jumped into neighborhoods before firefighters and police could warn residents.

The San Fernando Valley!!??? Noooo! Someone save the pornos!

Is there a particular color of ribbon we should be wearing to show our support?

50 shades of grey....

(10-10-2019 07:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  so the electric corp. gets sued for negligence and now the consumers wonder why.....

ain' nuttin' butter than watching cali be cali.....

Exactly. I bet many of them can't figure out why the electric corp is cutting power.

I present to you "The New Green Deal"...

They're blaming climate change when its their own bad policies. They knew. Fire suppression has been seen to lead to disasters since the Yellowstone fires of 1989. They've been adding more forest and more debris. The Yosemite picture of 1899 vs. 1994 is very instructive.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/09/the...all-along/


"...In this environment of frequent fire, brush was thinned, and the first pine branches started just out of reach of a typical low-intensity grass fire. But with the arrival of hundreds of thousands of Americans came a thriving economy and the order of government. Trees were useful and valuable, and therefore harvested. Fire was a threat to towns and cities, and thus, suppressed.

For decades, up until the 1970s, California would harvest and replant about as much wood as could be grown through an abundance of sunshine, snow, and rain. But in the 1990s, concern over logging’s effect on the spotted owl (largely misplaced, as time would tell) led to a massive slowdown in the timber harvest, especially on the federal lands that make up about 60 percent of California’s forests.

With a decline in the harvest came a decline in the allied efforts to clear brush, build and maintain access roads and firebreaks. This led inexorably to a decades’ long build-up in the fuel load. Federal funds set aside for increasingly unpopular forest management efforts were instead shifted to fire-suppression expenses.

All of this was clearly foreseen by the Western Governors’ Association 13 years ago when it published a Biomass Task Force Report that accurately predicted: “over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires… …In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground, and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere...."

(10-11-2019 04:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're blaming climate change when its their own bad policies. They knew. Fire suppression has been seen to lead to disasters since the Yellowstone fires of 1989. They've been adding more forest and more debris. The Yosemite picture of 1899 vs. 1994 is very instructive.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/09/the...all-along/


"...In this environment of frequent fire, brush was thinned, and the first pine branches started just out of reach of a typical low-intensity grass fire. But with the arrival of hundreds of thousands of Americans came a thriving economy and the order of government. Trees were useful and valuable, and therefore harvested. Fire was a threat to towns and cities, and thus, suppressed.

For decades, up until the 1970s, California would harvest and replant about as much wood as could be grown through an abundance of sunshine, snow, and rain. But in the 1990s, concern over logging’s effect on the spotted owl (largely misplaced, as time would tell) led to a massive slowdown in the timber harvest, especially on the federal lands that make up about 60 percent of California’s forests.

With a decline in the harvest came a decline in the allied efforts to clear brush, build and maintain access roads and firebreaks. This led inexorably to a decades’ long build-up in the fuel load. Federal funds set aside for increasingly unpopular forest management efforts were instead shifted to fire-suppression expenses.

All of this was clearly foreseen by the Western Governors’ Association 13 years ago when it published a Biomass Task Force Report that accurately predicted: “over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires… …In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground, and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere...."

there's that tree huggin' spotted owl thingy again....idiots...

a thread that has aged veddy well relative to vino land....

there's another out there I'll hunt down....

#dipshites

Actually, the cause of the electricity shutoffs is very simple. Even the California Legislative Analyst's office figured it out:

https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4079

Quote:For most sources of fire, ability to recover damages from the entity that started the fire is based on a negligence standard. If the court finds that the entity that started fire was negligent, it is liable for the damages.

If a fire was started by a government entity or private utility, ability to recover property damages is based on a strict liability standard—meaning the utilities must pay for the damages if they caused the fire, regardless of whether or not they acted negligently.

To my knowledge, California is the only state with this type of liability standard for fires.

But is the government going to fix this problem? Of course not, it's California and they think it's the evil capitalist's fault:

Newsom and legislative leaders decline to embrace changes to California’s wildfire liability law (LA Times May 29th, 2019)

Wild fires have been a natural occurrence from the get go. There are whole ecosystems that are dependent upon wildfires. Entire species of flora that require fire to propagate. We’ve stopped that cycle and the debris has built up on the ground and this is what you get.

At my own place in Kentucky and in Michigan we do prescribed burns and build firebreaks planted with clover in conjunction with the DNR because it’s better for the environment, better for the wildlife and better for people who build their homes in these areas. California has screwed the pooch for so long that this is what they’re going to have to deal with until they change their policies.

Too many of the bleeding hearts don’t have a clue what makes Mother Nature tick when it comes to the natural burn cycle.

Another thing the bleeding hearts need to understand is that while mature forests are really pretty and fun to hike in they can be deserts for wildlife. Timbering on a steady cycle allows regenerative growth which keeps the forest floor covered high which is great for wildlife and which keeps moisture at a higher level which reduces catastrophic fire events. These idiots want no trees cut anywhere so that they can take pictures and hike while thinking they are actually good stewards of Mother Earth.

If California would allow areas around the mega-power lines to be clear-cut like every other state in the country, that might prevent stupid preventable issues like these fires.

Also think it is ridiculous that California pushes electric cars like they do, only to cut electricity during wildfires...potentially stranding people to die.

Keep being smart, California.