(10-10-2019 03:32 PM)InterestedX Wrote: Contrary to what you lockstep Trumpkins believe, I really do know a lot about the situation. What this douche-in-chief has done is unforgivable, but that applies to a lot of his actions.
But hey, keep making excuses for him. He's your guy.
So, what are the choices?
1) Stay there forever; or
2) Leave at some point, and at that point necessarily "abandon our allies" just as we did in Vietnam.
Do you have any other alternatives?
I do, as a matter of fact. Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. If you go in, go in to win. Wars end two ways--you win or you surrender. Fighting, without fighting to win, is fighting to surrender. So what do you do? If you go in at all, then go in full bore, guns blazing, without rules of engagement (ROE) that guarantee defeat. As Norman Schwarzkopf so eloquently said, armies are good for doing two tings--killing people and breaking things. So kill everybody who needs killing (which we still haven't done after 18 years in Afghanistan) until they get tired of dying, break everything that needs breaking, GTFO, and stay TFO, after making sure that the people you leave in charge understand that if they screw up, you'll be back to kill them.
The way I see it, if you're not going to do that, then you don't belong there at all. So if all you're going to do is fight not to win, then we are better off coming home. Whenever you pull out, you will be "abandoning your allies." There is no way to do otherwise. We abandoned our allies when we pulled out of Vietnam, but it was the right move. It was time to quit fighting a winless war with at least one hand tied behind our back.
Question, did you support Barack Obama's proposal to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan? Did you complain that he was "turning his back on our allies"? If not, why not? Because that is exactly what he was proposing.