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Elizabeth Warren’s False Claim She Was Fired for Being Pregnant




Items referenced:
Warren claims pregnancy firing during campaign stop: http://bit.ly/2pWimZx
Warren claims pregnancy firing at NAN conference: https://youtu.be/TR7hov-c_7A?t=212
Warren claims pregnancy firing on PBS: https://to.pbs.org/35nFn83
Warren claims pregnancy firing at Sept. 12 debate: https://youtu.be/2UWVO0Trd1c?t=8247
Warren claims pregnancy firing on Twitter: https://archive.is/AyKHr

Warren on UCTV in 2007 describing voluntarily leaving her teaching job: https://youtu.be/S1Uk-DwUvJw?t=385

Washington Free Beacon obtains school board meeting minutes: http://bit.ly/2ARWwbH

CBS challenges Warren on the story: https://cbsn.ws/2M09smq
Boston Globe says Warren takes 'liberties' in storytelling: http://bit.ly/2VnnG3P
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You would think that the one characteristic on which the eventual Democrat nominee would have an upper hand on President Trump would be the capacity for personal honesty. Sen. Warren cannot even manage that!
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(10-09-2019 10:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  You would think that the one characteristic on which the eventual Democrat nominee would have an upper hand on President Trump would be the capacity for personal honesty. Sen. Warren cannot even manage that!

Why would you think that? Hillary Clinton sure didn't.
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So to recap:

Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)

Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

These fools can't even manage a campaign that gets them through their own party's primaries.
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(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.
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(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

Oh, come now. Maybe Michelle is still feeling that new tingle of pride in her country.
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For those of you that don't want to open links.
Quote:Washington Free Beacon: “Minutes of an April 21, 1971, Riverdale Board of Education meeting obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show that the board voted unanimously on a motion to extend Warren a “2nd year” contract for a two-days-per-week teaching job. That job is similar to the one she held the previous year, her first year of teaching. Minutes from a board meeting held two months later, on June 16, 1971, indicate that Warren’s resignation was ‘accepted with regret.'”
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(10-09-2019 10:36 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For those of you that don't want to open links.
Quote:Washington Free Beacon: “Minutes of an April 21, 1971, Riverdale Board of Education meeting obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show that the board voted unanimously on a motion to extend Warren a “2nd year” contract for a two-days-per-week teaching job. That job is similar to the one she held the previous year, her first year of teaching. Minutes from a board meeting held two months later, on June 16, 1971, indicate that Warren’s resignation was ‘accepted with regret.'”

LOL. I just can't fathom that the white lady that garnered educational benefits pretending to be Native American due to her "high cheek bones" and "grammie's stories" would lie to all of us about why she stopped teaching. I just can't believe she would stoop so low just to pander to the female voting block.

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(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

heyall NO! #DJTexperiment will wear Warren out a new one in the debate octagon if she gains the nomination....

moo-moo is the one that's making me nervous hanging in the background....so yes, we agree once again
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In other words, instead of spreading her legs and getting pregnant, she proabably should have used that time to get properly accredited for the teaching job she held.
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(10-09-2019 11:25 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  In other words, instead of spreading her legs and getting pregnant, she proabably should have used that time to get properly accredited for the teaching job she held.

once a liar in lock step, always a liar moving forward....

she doesn't have a chance....I'm begging she gains the nomination....
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(10-09-2019 10:36 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  For those of you that don't want to open links.
Quote:Washington Free Beacon: “Minutes of an April 21, 1971, Riverdale Board of Education meeting obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show that the board voted unanimously on a motion to extend Warren a “2nd year” contract for a two-days-per-week teaching job. That job is similar to the one she held the previous year, her first year of teaching. Minutes from a board meeting held two months later, on June 16, 1971, indicate that Warren’s resignation was ‘accepted with regret.'”

All funny stuff in the aftermath....

The only BS I call is the "accepted with regret"..... that is standard feels good rhetoric that many boards do whether they care about the quitter/resigner or not....
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(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

Actually, I think it's a good thing if the Dems nominate a Communist at this point.

Worst case scenario: Trump narrowly beats a centrist Democrat, convincing the Dems that the solution is to become even more crazy and never turn to a Centrist again. I think this is an even worse outcome than Warren becoming President.

Best Case scenario: Trump trounces Warren, convincing the Democrats that socialism doesn't sell to the American public. Much like Mondale's loss in 1984, the result is that Democrats spend the next two decades pushing policies that working class Americans agree with.
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(10-09-2019 01:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

Actually, I think it's a good thing if the Dems nominate a Communist at this point.

Worst case scenario: Trump narrowly beats a centrist Democrat, convincing the Dems that the solution is to become even more crazy and never turn to a Centrist again. I think this is an even worse outcome than Warren becoming President.

Best Case scenario: Trump trounces Warren, convincing the Democrats that socialism doesn't sell to the American public. Much like Mondale's loss in 1984, the result is that Democrats spend the next two decades pushing policies that working class Americans agree with.

03-thumbsup

that comparative is perfectly framed....
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(10-09-2019 01:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

Actually, I think it's a good thing if the Dems nominate a Communist at this point.

Worst case scenario: Trump narrowly beats a centrist Democrat, convincing the Dems that the solution is to become even more crazy and never turn to a Centrist again. I think this is an even worse outcome than Warren becoming President.

Best Case scenario: Trump trounces Warren, convincing the Democrats that socialism doesn't sell to the American public. Much like Mondale's loss in 1984, the result is that Democrats spend the next two decades pushing policies that working class Americans agree with.

That sounds good to me. I mean, if they were doing that now instead of all the Trump bashing they'd be in much better shape with the independents that actually decide elections.
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Who would ever have guessed that the Riverdale Board of Education had preserved the minutes of their meetings after 48 years?

You can bet that Elizabeth Warren didn’t.
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(10-09-2019 10:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

heyall NO! #DJTexperiment will wear Warren out a new one in the debate octagon if she gains the nomination....

moo-moo is the one that's making me nervous hanging in the background....so yes, we agree once again
Nah. Michelle is too busy enjoying her new digs that global warming's sea level rise will destroy in a few years. Besides they will get a pay cut this time.
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(10-09-2019 01:53 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:32 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  So to recap:
Biden Campaign... on the rocks
Warren Campaign... soon to be on the rocks
Sanders Campaign... on the rocks (health concerns)
Here comes Hillary or Michelle...

Of the two, please be Hillary. She's the only non-communist in the bunch.

heyall NO! #DJTexperiment will wear Warren out a new one in the debate octagon if she gains the nomination....

moo-moo is the one that's making me nervous hanging in the background....so yes, we agree once again
Nah. Michelle is too busy enjoying her new digs that global warming's sea level rise will destroy in a few years. Besides they will get a pay cut this time.

all I can say is, "I hope you're right."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle...tory.html?
The Elizabeth Warren pregnancy smear shows how poisoned the media world is

Quote:A news report can be narrowly factual, and still plenty unfair.

And so it was with a “revelation” regarding one element of Elizabeth Warren’s personal history, oft-told on the campaign trail: That her 1971 pregnancy caused the 22-year-old to be “shown the door” as a public-school teacher in New Jersey — an unwanted career change that put her on the path to law school and public life. (Warren, of course, is now a Democratic Massachusetts senator who is a leading 2020 presidential candidate.)

The conservative Washington Free Beacon’s new top editor, Eliana Johnson, late of Politico and the National Review, kicked off the contretemps with a report Monday that dug up the minutes from the Riverdale, N.J., school board showing that Warren had been offered another term and that her eventual resignation was accepted with regret.

The headline: “County Records Contradict Warren’s Claim She Was Fired Over Pregnancy.”

Shockingly, nowhere on these documents is it stamped: “The all-male board fired this young woman because she was pregnant and because of its deep-seated misogyny.” (And, more seriously, nowhere in the story is it indicated that the renewal offer likely came before school district honchos knew Warren was pregnant.)

Conservatives and pro-Trumpers gobbled it up — and spit back out an amped-up version, one less tethered to facts. The poisoned version quickly spread into the larger mediasphere.

“Another Elizabeth Warren Lie About Elizabeth Warren?” tweeted Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, who — credit where due — does have proven expertise on the subject of lying.

The right-wing Federalist agreed “lie” was the right word with its headline: “Records Show Elizabeth Warren Lied About Being Fired For Being ‘Visibly Pregnant’.”

An embedded video kept it even simpler: “Warren Lied.”

Before you knew it, Fox News, in its wisdom, had jumped in. The chyron: “Warren Facing New Credibility Questions.”

Fox anchor Dana Perino assembled some pundits to consider it — among them Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary under George W. Bush, who framed it as a troubling “character issue” for Warren. This gave Fox a chance to revisit Warren’s earlier blunder over claiming significant Native American ancestry.

Of course, it’s one of the jobs of the press to scrutinize presidential candidates — to “scrub” them, in the journalistic lingo.

Elizabeth Warren is no different, liberal darling though she is.

As the Free Beacon’s Johnson told Vox, “foundational myths” spun on the campaign trail deserve skepticism: “It seems to me that these sorts of claims, whether it’s Democrats or Republicans making them, warrant scrutiny.”

Fair enough. And Warren’s campaign seemed to have made a tactical mistake by not responding immediately, though they were given the opportunity by the Free Beacon,according to its story.

If Warren had shot back as cannily to this as she did to the recent absurd report that she’d had an affair with a 24-year-old Marine (she wittily tweeted out an image of her alma mater, the University of Houston and their mascots, the Cougars), she could have swatted this away.

It wasn’t until the next day that some much-needed perspective began to emerge, thanks to a CBS News report.

It included crucial context that would have been ever-so-helpful in the initial piece, like this interview with a retired Riverdale teacher, Trudy Randall:

“The rule was at five months you had to leave when you were pregnant. Now, if you didn’t tell anybody you were pregnant, and they didn’t know, you could fudge it and try to stay on a little bit longer. But they kind of wanted you out if you were pregnant.”

It also included an interview with Warren about why the board originally renewed her contract and even gave her a provisional pass on some other training she needed to continue as a speech pathologist:

“I was pregnant, but nobody knew it,” Warren said. “And then a couple of months later when I was six months pregnant and it was pretty obvious, the principal called me in, wished me luck, and said he was going to hire someone else for the job.”

The CBS piece also takes on another aspect of the Free Beacon’s story — that Warren in 2007 explained her departure from teaching without mentioning being fired. She told CBS that going into elective politics caused her to become more open about that aspect of her past — and, in effect, to air the workplace discrimination that was rampant then and has never fully disappeared, despite being outlawed in the late 1970s.

It all seems to track: There is no big controversy here. No apparent lie and no “character issue” that should unduly concern the voting public.

If there is a scandal here, it’s how — in the bad-faith media world — narrowly presented facts without sufficient context can do unfair harm.

They can and will be weaponized, falsely regurgitated and twisted beyond recognition.

The only thing missing from this mini-saga is President Trump’s custom-made insult. Stand by for that.
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(10-09-2019 01:59 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle...tory.html?
The Elizabeth Warren pregnancy smear shows how poisoned the media world is

Quote:A news report can be narrowly factual, and still plenty unfair.

And so it was with a “revelation” regarding one element of Elizabeth Warren’s personal history, oft-told on the campaign trail: That her 1971 pregnancy caused the 22-year-old to be “shown the door” as a public-school teacher in New Jersey — an unwanted career change that put her on the path to law school and public life. (Warren, of course, is now a Democratic Massachusetts senator who is a leading 2020 presidential candidate.)

The conservative Washington Free Beacon’s new top editor, Eliana Johnson, late of Politico and the National Review, kicked off the contretemps with a report Monday that dug up the minutes from the Riverdale, N.J., school board showing that Warren had been offered another term and that her eventual resignation was accepted with regret.

The headline: “County Records Contradict Warren’s Claim She Was Fired Over Pregnancy.”

Shockingly, nowhere on these documents is it stamped: “The all-male board fired this young woman because she was pregnant and because of its deep-seated misogyny.” (And, more seriously, nowhere in the story is it indicated that the renewal offer likely came before school district honchos knew Warren was pregnant.)

Conservatives and pro-Trumpers gobbled it up — and spit back out an amped-up version, one less tethered to facts. The poisoned version quickly spread into the larger mediasphere.

“Another Elizabeth Warren Lie About Elizabeth Warren?” tweeted Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, who — credit where due — does have proven expertise on the subject of lying.

The right-wing Federalist agreed “lie” was the right word with its headline: “Records Show Elizabeth Warren Lied About Being Fired For Being ‘Visibly Pregnant’.”

An embedded video kept it even simpler: “Warren Lied.”

Before you knew it, Fox News, in its wisdom, had jumped in. The chyron: “Warren Facing New Credibility Questions.”

Fox anchor Dana Perino assembled some pundits to consider it — among them Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary under George W. Bush, who framed it as a troubling “character issue” for Warren. This gave Fox a chance to revisit Warren’s earlier blunder over claiming significant Native American ancestry.

Of course, it’s one of the jobs of the press to scrutinize presidential candidates — to “scrub” them, in the journalistic lingo.

Elizabeth Warren is no different, liberal darling though she is.

As the Free Beacon’s Johnson told Vox, “foundational myths” spun on the campaign trail deserve skepticism: “It seems to me that these sorts of claims, whether it’s Democrats or Republicans making them, warrant scrutiny.”

Fair enough. And Warren’s campaign seemed to have made a tactical mistake by not responding immediately, though they were given the opportunity by the Free Beacon,according to its story.

If Warren had shot back as cannily to this as she did to the recent absurd report that she’d had an affair with a 24-year-old Marine (she wittily tweeted out an image of her alma mater, the University of Houston and their mascots, the Cougars), she could have swatted this away.

It wasn’t until the next day that some much-needed perspective began to emerge, thanks to a CBS News report.

It included crucial context that would have been ever-so-helpful in the initial piece, like this interview with a retired Riverdale teacher, Trudy Randall:

“The rule was at five months you had to leave when you were pregnant. Now, if you didn’t tell anybody you were pregnant, and they didn’t know, you could fudge it and try to stay on a little bit longer. But they kind of wanted you out if you were pregnant.”

It also included an interview with Warren about why the board originally renewed her contract and even gave her a provisional pass on some other training she needed to continue as a speech pathologist:

“I was pregnant, but nobody knew it,” Warren said. “And then a couple of months later when I was six months pregnant and it was pretty obvious, the principal called me in, wished me luck, and said he was going to hire someone else for the job.”

The CBS piece also takes on another aspect of the Free Beacon’s story — that Warren in 2007 explained her departure from teaching without mentioning being fired. She told CBS that going into elective politics caused her to become more open about that aspect of her past — and, in effect, to air the workplace discrimination that was rampant then and has never fully disappeared, despite being outlawed in the late 1970s.

It all seems to track: There is no big controversy here. No apparent lie and no “character issue” that should unduly concern the voting public.

If there is a scandal here, it’s how — in the bad-faith media world — narrowly presented facts without sufficient context can do unfair harm.

They can and will be weaponized, falsely regurgitated and twisted beyond recognition.

The only thing missing from this mini-saga is President Trump’s custom-made insult. Stand by for that.

what are the odds nobody read that bs?!

I know I didn't....I don't play well with a welch's thin skinned masked wannabe...

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