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(10-08-2019 06:09 PM)Coltluv Wrote:  I keep hearing the word playmaker. what exactly is a playmaker and what determines if you are a playmaker

Someone that can get more than 7 feet after the catch.

(10-08-2019 09:39 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 06:09 PM)Coltluv Wrote:  I keep hearing the word playmaker. what exactly is a playmaker and what determines if you are a playmaker

Someone that can get more than 7 feet after the catch.

kinda of figured the response would something like that.

Duhart and Fulgham were both playmakers, IMO. They could get the 50-50s, ran good routes and adjusted when needed.

(10-09-2019 08:35 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Duhart and Fulgham were both playmakers, IMO. They could get the 50-50s, ran good routes and adjusted when needed.

(10-08-2019 05:34 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 05:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 05:00 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 02:10 PM)Coltluv Wrote:  Most teams nowadays spread you out to run the ball. Most teams beside the service academies will pass 1st to back the safeties up if not by actually passing but by formation they have to honor 4 and 5 wide formations. Most teams converted to passing attacks because HS are all running spread offenses. The offense we have decided to run unless you have a dominant OL and top tier RB you are not going to succeed. And then you throw in the huddle after every play we give the opponent's DC to much time to find our tendencies and most of the time they find it. Me myself I would rather run 220 plays and win over 160 and lose. the other team gets tired also. I think our defense can handle the extra reps. And if u believe we aren't getting talented WR now wait til you show your recruits through 5 game your leading WR has less than 10 catches.

Everything will be fine when the offensive line can run and pass block.

The OL is the least of our problems right now. QB and WR are the biggest problem areas with RB not far behind.

The offensive line just looks fab. They are really taking care of business.

I think its really just a philosophical debate. I guess I'm kinda ole school like you. I believe everything on both sides of the ball starts up front. I think everyone would agree that typically, whoever controls the line of scrimmage usually wins the game. The talent level on your offensive line is crucial; it determines your offensive schemes/sets, protections schemes, etc which impacts play-calling which ultimately has a positive or negative impact on all of the "skilled" positions like QBs, RBs, and WRs.

However, there is a school of though out there which stresses zone blocking, trap blocking, misdirection and screens as a way to help negate the impact of poor line play. While I agree with that in the short term; I don't think it sustainable for an entire game; especially in our situation where you do not have an overly athletic offensive line. A good D-Coord will also easily negate most of this by not being over aggressive and simply stressing positional responsibilities.

This is now on WR's, my ass. We were told the same damn thing last season and Larussa took the helm and our WR's absolutely showed why they can excel with a good signal caller. We still have good WR's its the damn QB that is our problem. Hassan, Nigel, Kumah all good receivers if our QB can get the ball in their hands and throw for more than 10 yds. I don't blame the kid its the idiot that recruited him and coached him that should be blamed. Ron Whitcomb is a crappy QB evaluator and developer. period.

(10-09-2019 09:05 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  This is now on WR's, my ass. We were told the same damn thing last season and Larussa took the helm and our WR's absolutely showed why they can excel with a good signal caller. We still have good WR's its the damn QB that is our problem. Hassan, Nigel, Kumah all good receivers if our QB can get the ball in their hands and throw for more than 10 yds. I don't blame the kid its the idiot that recruited him and coached him that should be blamed. <b>Ron Whitcomb is a crappy QB evaluator and developer. period<b>.

Being a crappy QB evaluator is evidently true. The only FBS quality QB we have had outside of TH (who fell in our lap and wasn't even really recruited) was David Washington. And both were recruited for FCS. Thats a whole lot of misses. For what its worth, I hear Wolfe is the real deal and will be good. But we heard that about Bently, Williams and Smart too.

I had no idea which thread to stick this in since there were a few choices, so here ya go.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-pff-ran...s-for-2019

If you don't want to click, Smartt is ranked as the 2nd worst QB according to his PFF grade. At least he isn't last?

(10-09-2019 09:47 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I had no idea which thread to stick this in since there were a few choices, so here ya go.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-pff-ran...s-for-2019

If you don't want to click, Smartt is ranked as the 2nd worst QB according to his PFF grade. At least he isn't last?

Where does our offensive line rank??

(10-08-2019 09:31 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:18 AM)Tribrocavs Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:49 PM)mane Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:38 PM)Grommet Wrote:  GOOD NEWS BOYS!!!

-BW is happy with the play calling
-BW has the support of WS and JB
-Players don't want changes made, they just want to practice harder

so instead of the defense preparing for marshall's offensive scheme, they're going to spend the week trying to help our offense get better? smh

I'd be all for it if it meant I didn't have to watch another bootleg to the right with the ball thrown 15 feet above the receivers head or into the dirt at their feet. IMO, the defense seems to be at least serviceable; especially when compared to years past. The offense is just putrid and contrary to popular belief its not the receivers. Its primarily the predictable play calling, which is limited in large part by a very weak offensive line and a QB who has trouble with accuracy and making the proper reads.

It is still the offensive line. You can call all the plays you want but if the line can't run block and your quarterback is running for his life when trying to pass. Then things go nowhere.

We moved the ball in the in the first half against UVA because they played a balanced defense. Once they focused on our running game, we were exposed and couldn't run, or pass. That is what ECU and WKU learned and focused on stopping the run the entire game. It's a numbers game and they out numbered us at the line of scrimmage after the snap. Maybe a real good offensive line can handle that, but an average line can't. There's no reason to expect our OL to be elite. But there is a way to defeat every defensive scheme. To the coaches credit, they did come up with a controlled rollout, but we still failed to deliver the ball quick enough, or decide to tuck and run quick enough.

(10-09-2019 10:05 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:31 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:18 AM)Tribrocavs Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:49 PM)mane Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 05:38 PM)Grommet Wrote:  GOOD NEWS BOYS!!!

-BW is happy with the play calling
-BW has the support of WS and JB
-Players don't want changes made, they just want to practice harder

so instead of the defense preparing for marshall's offensive scheme, they're going to spend the week trying to help our offense get better? smh

I'd be all for it if it meant I didn't have to watch another bootleg to the right with the ball thrown 15 feet above the receivers head or into the dirt at their feet. IMO, the defense seems to be at least serviceable; especially when compared to years past. The offense is just putrid and contrary to popular belief its not the receivers. Its primarily the predictable play calling, which is limited in large part by a very weak offensive line and a QB who has trouble with accuracy and making the proper reads.

It is still the offensive line. You can call all the plays you want but if the line can't run block and your quarterback is running for his life when trying to pass. Then things go nowhere.

We moved the ball in the in the first half against UVA because they played a balanced defense. Once they focused on our running game, we were exposed and couldn't run, or pass. That is what ECU and WKU learned and focused on stopping the run the entire game. It's a numbers game and they out numbered us at the line of scrimmage after the snap. Maybe a real good offensive line can handle that, but an average line can't. There's no reason to expect our OL to be elite. But there is a way to defeat every defensive scheme. To the coaches credit, they did come up with a controlled rollout, but we still failed to deliver the ball quick enough, or decide to tuck and run quick enough.

I agree with you that those teams had success by loading up the box, but the problem is in the past we have been able to counter that by simply spreading the field with 4 & 5 WRs. That's not really a possibility when you have issues with pass protection. Hence the system's new emphasis on TE's, quarterbacks keepers and dual back sets.

What I'd like to see is more 4 & 5 wide sets with quick slants and screens. A call back to the old west coast offense. But thats' only if Smartt can make the proper reads and deliver the ball accurately; which he seemed quite capable of doing in high school.

(10-09-2019 10:29 AM)Tribrocavs Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 10:05 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:31 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:18 AM)Tribrocavs Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:49 PM)mane Wrote:  so instead of the defense preparing for marshall's offensive scheme, they're going to spend the week trying to help our offense get better? smh

I'd be all for it if it meant I didn't have to watch another bootleg to the right with the ball thrown 15 feet above the receivers head or into the dirt at their feet. IMO, the defense seems to be at least serviceable; especially when compared to years past. The offense is just putrid and contrary to popular belief its not the receivers. Its primarily the predictable play calling, which is limited in large part by a very weak offensive line and a QB who has trouble with accuracy and making the proper reads.

It is still the offensive line. You can call all the plays you want but if the line can't run block and your quarterback is running for his life when trying to pass. Then things go nowhere.

We moved the ball in the in the first half against UVA because they played a balanced defense. Once they focused on our running game, we were exposed and couldn't run, or pass. That is what ECU and WKU learned and focused on stopping the run the entire game. It's a numbers game and they out numbered us at the line of scrimmage after the snap. Maybe a real good offensive line can handle that, but an average line can't. There's no reason to expect our OL to be elite. But there is a way to defeat every defensive scheme. To the coaches credit, they did come up with a controlled rollout, but we still failed to deliver the ball quick enough, or decide to tuck and run quick enough.

I agree with you that those teams had success by loading up the box, but the problem is in the past we have been able to counter that by simply spreading the field with 4 & 5 WRs. That's not really a possibility when you have issues with pass protection. Hence the system's new emphasis on TE's, quarterbacks keepers and dual back sets.

What I'd like to see is more 4 & 5 wide sets with quick slants and screens. A call back to the old west coast offense. But thats' only if Smartt can make the proper reads and deliver the ball accurately; which he seemed quite capable of doing in high school.

Not that it wouldnt be the best option out of a bunch of bad ones, but we barely have 4 able bodied WRs.

Is the designed roll out meant to be an option, in the sense the QB can either pass or tuck and run? It looked Ike Smartt had no intention of running last week. He simply rolled out and attempted to pass. Wonder if Wilder has told him to limi.t his runs? Seems he could have picked up some yards running. Thoughts?

(10-09-2019 12:28 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Is the designed roll out meant to be an option, in the sense the QB can either pass or tuck and run? It looked Ike Smartt had no intention of running last week. He simply rolled out and attempted to pass. Wonder if Wilder has told him to limi.t his runs? Seems he could have picked up some yards running. Thoughts?

There is always the option to run. A controlled rollout has a higher probability of the need to run because you are targeting less receivers on only half the field. Up until now, I'm not sure there was a need to overly protect the QB from injury (from too much running) because we had a need to win games (meaning you do whatever it takes). At this point, it's a matter of preserving redshirts, so it's best to limit the risks. My guess is that Wolff will see action this year. He has 4 free games. Probably play some once we get receivers healthy.

The rollout just changes the pocket. It mixes things up so the DL can't just attack one spot. The ones we did were designed passes.

Just from watching, I’d say Smartt has great difficulty running and looking down field ( I guess that’s what everyone has been saying)
So, again, why not try some quick dump off passes to TE and receivers coming over the middle? Running for your life is not going to allow him to spot a receiver downfield and get off any kind of catchable throw.

(10-09-2019 01:38 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Just from watching, I’d say Smartt has great difficulty running and looking down field ( I guess that’s what everyone has been saying)
So, again, why not try some quick dump off passes to TE and receivers coming over the middle? Running for your life is not going to allow him to spot a receiver downfield and get off any kind of catchable throw.

He has to throw it to the WRs and TEs that are running in the middle of the field.

(10-09-2019 12:28 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Is the designed roll out meant to be an option, in the sense the QB can either pass or tuck and run? It looked Ike Smartt had no intention of running last week. He simply rolled out and attempted to pass. Wonder if Wilder has told him to limi.t his runs? Seems he could have picked up some yards running. Thoughts?

I thought in the second half he was definitely limiting his time with the ball. If the receiver was not open he was throwing it away instead of tuck and run. Maybe someone talked to him about it at halftime. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him throw away so many passes in one game. At least we were calling more pass plays.

(10-09-2019 08:47 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:28 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Is the designed roll out meant to be an option, in the sense the QB can either pass or tuck and run? It looked Ike Smartt had no intention of running last week. He simply rolled out and attempted to pass. Wonder if Wilder has told him to limi.t his runs? Seems he could have picked up some yards running. Thoughts?

I thought in the second half he was definitely limiting his time with the ball. If the receiver was not open he was throwing it away instead of tuck and run. Maybe someone talked to him about it at halftime. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him throw away so many passes in one game. At least we were calling more pass plays.

Plays are called by the OC. if he was throwing, it was called and I am sure he was told the throw the ball.
To his credit he didn't throw a lot of INTs that second half.

As some here have stated, this is not just about the WRs.
It doesn't take much for a team to stop our run, as they know the run will be inside the tackles. We don't have enough speed at RB or the OL to run the edges.
As Flagship noted, UVA figured that out in the 2nd half.

I suspect that even with Davis and Kumah we would not have done much better vs WKU.

Truth be told, the loss of of RT Saldiveri is probably hurting us more than either of Humah or Lala, due to how thin we are on the OL.

(10-09-2019 09:10 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 08:47 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 12:28 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Is the designed roll out meant to be an option, in the sense the QB can either pass or tuck and run? It looked Ike Smartt had no intention of running last week. He simply rolled out and attempted to pass. Wonder if Wilder has told him to limi.t his runs? Seems he could have picked up some yards running. Thoughts?

I thought in the second half he was definitely limiting his time with the ball. If the receiver was not open he was throwing it away instead of tuck and run. Maybe someone talked to him about it at halftime. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him throw away so many passes in one game. At least we were calling more pass plays.

Plays are called by the OC. if he was throwing, it was called and I am sure he was told the throw the ball.
To his credit he didn't throw a lot of INTs that second half.

As some here have stated, this is not just about the WRs.
It doesn't take much for a team to stop our run, as they know the run will be inside the tackles. We don't have enough speed at RB or the OL to run the edges.
As Flagship noted, UVA figured that out in the 2nd half.

I suspect that even with Davis and Kumah we would not have done much better vs WKU.

Truth be told, the loss of of RT Saldiveri is probably hurting us more than either of Humah or Lala, due to how thin we are on the OL.

This has been very obvious. I haven't seen a running back turn the corner on a sweep yet. They always get run down