Scathing twitter thread.

And...lookout Turkey, president great and unmatched wisdom will be coming after you!

For those that say this has something to do with de-escalation and lessening our involvement in the middle east, why do this now? It's not like we're even planning to leave Syria, we're just moving our troops.

Trump is either just making a stupid, impulsive decision or he's intentionally starting a crap storm to keep the whistle blower stuff out of the news.

(10-07-2019 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Scathing twitter thread.

(10-07-2019 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We’re making new friends and don’t need the Kurds anymore.

Uhhhmmm....it’s a fight between two of our allies. That said, there are only 2 groups I think we should be loyal to the point of military action in the Middle East at this point—Israel and the Kurds. The Turks may be important, but they are poor allies. I’d keep my soldiers right where they are as a buffer to prevent Turkey from a attacking and to prevent Kurds from aiding Kurdish extremist inside Turkey. Build another wall and let Turkey pay for it if they are so concerned about terrorism from the Kurdish side of the border.

The problem I have is I’m largely on board with the idea of pulling back from all these far flung wars that have little to do with true American interests. While this move is consistent with that effort—I’m torn, because as I said earlier—It seems to me the Kurds are one of the few US allies in the Middle East that has clearly earned our loyalty and to whom, I believe we owe an obvious debt. Most everyone else in the Middle East owes us—I think it’s fairly obvious we owe the Kurds. While I largely agree with Trumps overall effort to reduce our involvement to overseas convicts, I hope someone convinces Trump to rethink this one. The Kurds have been loyal allies. We owe them our support in this stand off.

Turkey is siding with Syria and Russia. They have now became one of our bigger enemies. We should shoot down any planes and bomb any troop movements against the Kurds. Turkey thinks all Kurds are terrorists and will wipe them all out no matter if they are in Iraq, Turkey, Iran or Syria. That is why the Kurds are fighting back against the Turks. It is not reall terrorism, it is more of a revolution to free all Kurds for them to have their own country to rule.

(10-07-2019 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Scathing twitter thread.

Where has Trump set military members into harm's way with no backing?

He's pulling them OUT of a conflict zone.

Tell me where 'ol Brett McGurk ever served in harm's way and I'll give his dumbarse the time of day. He's a law clerk that somehow weaved his way into the diplomatic circles.

Swamp Rat.

(10-07-2019 02:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We’re making new friends and don’t need the Kurds anymore.

Uhhhmmm....it’s a fight between two of our allies. That said, there are only 2 groups I think we should be loyal to the point of military action in the Middle East at this point—Israel and the Kurds. The Turks may be important, but they are poor allies. I’d keep my soldiers right where they are as a buffer to prevent Turkey from a attacking and to prevent Kurds from aiding Kurdish extremist inside Turkey. Build another wall and let Turkey pay for it if they are so concerned about terrorism from the Kurdish side of the border.

The problem I have is I’m largely on board with the idea of pulling back from all these far flung wars that have little to do with true American interests. While this move is consistent with that effort—I’m torn, because as I said earlier—It seems to me the Kurds are one of the few US allies in the Middle East that has clearly earned our loyalty and to whom, I believe we owe an obvious debt. Most everyone else in the Middle East owes us—I think it’s fairly obvious we owe the Kurds. While I largely agree with Trumps overall effort to reduce our involvement to overseas convicts, I hope someone convinces Trump to rethink this one. The Kurds have been loyal allies. We owe them our support in this stand off.

Turkey is siding with Syria and Russia. They have now became one of our bigger enemies. We should shoot down any planes and bomb any troop movements against the Kurds. Turkey thinks all Kurds are terrorists and will wipe them all out no matter if they are in Iraq, Turkey, Iran or Syria. That is why the Kurds are fighting back against the Turks. It is not reall terrorism, it is more of a revolution to free all Kurds for them to have their own country to rule.

How globally hawkish of you. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

(10-07-2019 12:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The fact that Tulsi has gone dark today tells me she isn’t a serious candidate.

She can’t put out a statement of support for Trump’s decision for fear of backlash from her party and how it would play for her fledgling campaign, but she is going to stand up to the military industrial complex? Lol doubt.

She is not stupid either to make this country look bad either. The Kurds took up most of the fight and lost of troops fighting ISIS. Turkey did nothing, but bombed the Kurds.

(10-07-2019 02:58 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We’re making new friends and don’t need the Kurds anymore.

Uhhhmmm....it’s a fight between two of our allies. That said, there are only 2 groups I think we should be loyal to the point of military action in the Middle East at this point—Israel and the Kurds. The Turks may be important, but they are poor allies. I’d keep my soldiers right where they are as a buffer to prevent Turkey from a attacking and to prevent Kurds from aiding Kurdish extremist inside Turkey. Build another wall and let Turkey pay for it if they are so concerned about terrorism from the Kurdish side of the border.

The problem I have is I’m largely on board with the idea of pulling back from all these far flung wars that have little to do with true American interests. While this move is consistent with that effort—I’m torn, because as I said earlier—It seems to me the Kurds are one of the few US allies in the Middle East that has clearly earned our loyalty and to whom, I believe we owe an obvious debt. Most everyone else in the Middle East owes us—I think it’s fairly obvious we owe the Kurds. While I largely agree with Trumps overall effort to reduce our involvement to overseas convicts, I hope someone convinces Trump to rethink this one. The Kurds have been loyal allies. We owe them our support in this stand off.

Turkey is siding with Syria and Russia. They have now became one of our bigger enemies. We should shoot down any planes and bomb any troop movements against the Kurds. Turkey thinks all Kurds are terrorists and will wipe them all out no matter if they are in Iraq, Turkey, Iran or Syria. That is why the Kurds are fighting back against the Turks. It is not reall terrorism, it is more of a revolution to free all Kurds for them to have their own country to rule.

How globally hawkish of you. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Well, do you want Turkey to commit genocide against the Kurds? Who would be blamed for that? We would be blamed for turning our backs on the Kurds who fought ISIS for us.

(10-07-2019 02:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  For those that say this has something to do with de-escalation and lessening our involvement in the middle east, why do this now? It's not like we're even planning to leave Syria, we're just moving our troops.

Trump is either just making a stupid, impulsive decision or he's intentionally starting a crap storm to keep the whistle blower stuff out of the news.

Getting a lot of stupid, impulsive remarks on this thread. Turkey has been threatening to do this whether we were there or not. It was becoming a really bad situation for us. Turkey may not be real reliable, but they are NATO. I'd bet on them before Greece or Spain.

If the media was reporting real news instead of crazy conspiracy theories, some of you would be more informed what a difficult situation this was. Turkey has been bombing and fighting Kurds in Iraq, driving a number of Iraqi Kurds out of their villages trying to punish the Turkish Kurd militants. They've been talking about this move for a long time. They already attacked the Kurds in the west of Syria in Afrin and drove them out of their homes and eliminated that Kurdish controlled area.

They complain when we pull out of Syria and complain because we won't pull out of Israel.

(10-07-2019 03:21 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  They complain when we pull out of Syria and complain because we won't pull out of Israel.

the bold text was enough....

(10-07-2019 03:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:58 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 02:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We’re making new friends and don’t need the Kurds anymore.

Uhhhmmm....it’s a fight between two of our allies. That said, there are only 2 groups I think we should be loyal to the point of military action in the Middle East at this point—Israel and the Kurds. The Turks may be important, but they are poor allies. I’d keep my soldiers right where they are as a buffer to prevent Turkey from a attacking and to prevent Kurds from aiding Kurdish extremist inside Turkey. Build another wall and let Turkey pay for it if they are so concerned about terrorism from the Kurdish side of the border.

The problem I have is I’m largely on board with the idea of pulling back from all these far flung wars that have little to do with true American interests. While this move is consistent with that effort—I’m torn, because as I said earlier—It seems to me the Kurds are one of the few US allies in the Middle East that has clearly earned our loyalty and to whom, I believe we owe an obvious debt. Most everyone else in the Middle East owes us—I think it’s fairly obvious we owe the Kurds. While I largely agree with Trumps overall effort to reduce our involvement to overseas convicts, I hope someone convinces Trump to rethink this one. The Kurds have been loyal allies. We owe them our support in this stand off.

Turkey is siding with Syria and Russia. They have now became one of our bigger enemies. We should shoot down any planes and bomb any troop movements against the Kurds. Turkey thinks all Kurds are terrorists and will wipe them all out no matter if they are in Iraq, Turkey, Iran or Syria. That is why the Kurds are fighting back against the Turks. It is not reall terrorism, it is more of a revolution to free all Kurds for them to have their own country to rule.

How globally hawkish of you. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Well, do you want Turkey to commit genocide against the Kurds? Who would be blamed for that? We would be blamed for turning our backs on the Kurds who fought ISIS for us.

Weird. Did you assign blame to Obama for the same thing? Did you assign blame to Obama for all the deaths ISIS rained down on the region when he conducted a massive troop pullout and then jovially described ISIS as JV?

No? So you're just sky screaming now because Trump decided to leave Syria?

(10-07-2019 09:41 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  BTW my nephew is in Turkey for the next 2 weeks (northern and western parts of the country - the bigger cities). I'm not thrilled about a possible civil war breaking out there while he's in that country.

The new embassy in Ankara is under construction, but there is a consulate in Istanbul. He should check in to make sure there are no major warnings.

There needs to be a Kurdistan like there needed to be an Israel.

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And so continues a long storied history of us backing a group in the ME, betraying them, and later seeing them arise as foe. History repeats.

(10-07-2019 04:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  And so continues a long storied history of us backing a group of democrats, betraying them, and later seeing them arise as foe. History repeats.

easy fify...

that's what happens when you spoil children...

(10-07-2019 04:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There needs to be a Kurdistan like there needed to be an Israel.

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Yes, but Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria would all invade.

We missed the chance to help the Iraqi Kurds establish a state.

(10-07-2019 04:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  And so continues a long storied history of us backing a group in the ME, betraying them, and later seeing them arise as foe. History repeats.

Or you could bomb and run, leaving a disaster like Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya?
But then as someone who makes bets and runs, I guess you like that idea.