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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 10:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 10:07 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  We just dont have the talent gentleman. It's as simple as that

Just stop. I know you want to still attack Carey but you have no leg to stand on. The offense is easily more talented than last years MACC team. Statistically you have zero argument. None. You’ll lose every discussion on talent.

This team is still has the best defense in the MAC. They just held a QB who averaged 330 yards a game to 34. That’s insane. And if you blame the rain how did Bowers and a talentless offense throw for 240 yards????

+1. This is still a good team.
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(10-06-2019 09:08 AM)wkid123 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Last years team gave up 357 yds/game on defense. This years team is giving up 363yds/game. This defense is still really good. The offense is 40 yds a game better. 322 vs 363. The difference is even greater after only 5 games in 2018. +260-348= -88 to now at +363-363=0. Net 88 yards better this year. Statistically this years team is wayyyyy better on Offense and only slightly worse on Defense. It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent. Stop the false narrative to excuse Hammock while still blaming Carey.

I know the sky is falling but this team is talented enough to win every game on the scheduled remaining. Two things will determine the season:

1. Coaching - Hammock has looked like a deer in headlights and the discipline falls on him and his staff. Good news is this is correctable. The defense is really talented and the offensive line is getting better

2. Quarterback Play - I find it funny that some of you think Bowers is any good, he currently is 117 of 130 in QBR, very similar to Childers, he is holding the team back. The coaching staff needs to adjust and run the ball behind Steckler and dumb down the offense similar to the Bears. Carey played the way he did for a reason, we haven't had an all MAC QB since Lynch and the receivers have to be some of the worst in the country right now. Stop being a fast first team, outside of the tight ends there is NO talent catching passes, and please dont fall into the trap of thinking Tears is talented as he drops as many balls as he catches.

Bold Prediction: We beat Ohio as the last 2 weeks I have seen the best team on the field lose. Hammock got a reality check and hopefully he responds, otherwise its gonna be the dark ages all over again.

If Bowers isn’t any good why do you feel like we will be able to beat Ohio? Bowers has been victimized by awful WR play. We must average 6-7 drops per game. It puts a lot of pressure on the QB. The receivers have to step up. The coaches also should’ve thrown at least a couple playactions to at least try to flip the field after our special teams gaffes...
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 09:59 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Last years team gave up 357 yds/game on defense. This years team is giving up 363yds/game. This defense is still really good. The offense is 40 yds a game better. 322 vs 363. The difference is even greater after only 5 games in 2018. +260-348= -88 to now at +363-363=0. Net 88 yards better this year. Statistically this years team is wayyyyy better on Offense and only slightly worse on Defense. It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent. Stop the false narrative to excuse Hammock while still blaming Carey.
Hammock has been playing too many of his guys and they are making mistakes.

M. Love fumble at the 2. He never should have touched the ball.

Next kick he returns from endzone and niu starts at 5.

Finally in 4th Q he takes knee and niu starts at 25.

Freahman mistakes and the coaches seem surprised by this.

Last week freshman tackle had 2 false start penalties.

This list can go on and on.

THam is trying to change this team overnite but didn't measure the consequences correctly.

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Love didn't fumble at the 2. That was Senior Marcus Jones. He was pulled for Love after the fumble.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 10:34 AM)Doggone Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 09:59 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Last years team gave up 357 yds/game on defense. This years team is giving up 363yds/game. This defense is still really good. The offense is 40 yds a game better. 322 vs 363. The difference is even greater after only 5 games in 2018. +260-348= -88 to now at +363-363=0. Net 88 yards better this year. Statistically this years team is wayyyyy better on Offense and only slightly worse on Defense. It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent. Stop the false narrative to excuse Hammock while still blaming Carey.
Hammock has been playing too many of his guys and they are making mistakes.

M. Love fumble at the 2. He never should have touched the ball.

Next kick he returns from endzone and niu starts at 5.

Finally in 4th Q he takes knee and niu starts at 25.

Freahman mistakes and the coaches seem surprised by this.

Last week freshman tackle had 2 false start penalties.

This list can go on and on.

THam is trying to change this team overnite but didn't measure the consequences correctly.

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Love didn't fumble at the 2. That was Senior Marcus Jones. He was pulled for Love after the fumble.
Thanks much. Rain must have been in my eyes.

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So was Love the one that ran the kickoff out of the end zone to the 10 yard line?
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It's time to see more of Valentine
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(10-06-2019 03:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  It's time to see more of Valentine

They badly need a gamebreaker somewhere. Jones isn't it.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play. I.e. Not giving up unnecessary penalties, avoiding turnovers by being favoring a more restricted kind of play, which many people resented.
He had no room for a QB who would win it on his own.
He focused on defense instead of offense and on executing fundamentals.

NIU won close games because we made less mistakes!

The BSU game would have been won had we not committed three turnovers and gave up 110 yards of penalties. Very few would argue against that.

The talent excuses need to be put to rest. We did not have the talent of 2003 last year yet we won the MACC. We had injuries and many close games last year. No blowout by a B1G team.

Sure our lack of talent has hurt us in so many bowl games, however we earned those bowl games and extra practices.
We beat far more talented teams regularly with Rod Carey!
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(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

Great talent lets you overcome mistakes. Im not saying NIU has great talent. They have upper half Mac talent and should have no physical issue with other MAC teams.

I agree with you when NIU plays a top 20 P5 team. They are over matched physically and have to press. I expect the penalties to be at least 2 to 1 in favor of the P5 teams. Not 18-0 like Utah and Nebraska. But yes, they will hold and cheat a tad to offset the talent gap.

The Bears game today was a PERFECT example. That game was 100% decided by penalties and mistakes. Every mistake changed the momentum. Down to the running into the punter call that cost the Bears the win. You don't question the Bears talent. But they played like NIU for most of the game and looked talentless.

Look at the 2017 WMU Broncos. 6-6 after going 13-1 in 2016. There was the same talent level on that team except at QB and 1 wr. (both were huge. But now you're saying talent level is determined by just great players which we know is just luck at Mac recruiting level). But with the new coach and system the team collapsed. It's not talent. It's execution.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play.

So we give Carey credit for being adept at recognizing deficiencies with his team and game planning around them, but not question why there were deficiencies to begin with? Obviously it was his own fault he had to run ultra-conservative offenses for several years because he failed to bring in and develop good players.
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(10-06-2019 05:38 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play.

So we give Carey credit for being adept at recognizing deficiencies with his team and game planning around them, but not question why there were deficiencies to begin with? Obviously it was his own fault he had to run ultra-conservative offenses for several years because he failed to bring in and develop good players.

Carey could never get the QB right. He got called out for that every year. No excuses. It's the main reason Im glad he's gone. He was extra conservative because he had garbage at QB. Yes its his fault. But to say everyone else on the offense was bad is just incorrect.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 05:48 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:38 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play.

So we give Carey credit for being adept at recognizing deficiencies with his team and game planning around them, but not question why there were deficiencies to begin with? Obviously it was his own fault he had to run ultra-conservative offenses for several years because he failed to bring in and develop good players.

Carey could never get the QB right. He got called out for that every year. No excuses. It's the main reason Im glad he's gone. He was extra conservative because he had garbage at QB. Yes its his fault. But to say everyone else on the offense was bad is just incorrect.

+1

What is more important a QB with Bowers arm or a winning season?
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(10-06-2019 05:31 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

Great talent lets you overcome mistakes. Im not saying NIU has great talent. They have upper half Mac talent and should have no physical issue with other MAC teams.

I agree with you when NIU plays a top 20 P5 team. They are over matched physically and have to press. I expect the penalties to be at least 2 to 1 in favor of the P5 teams. Not 18-0 like Utah and Nebraska. But yes, they will hold and cheat a tad to offset the talent gap.

The Bears game today was a PERFECT example. That game was 100% decided by penalties and mistakes. Every mistake changed the momentum. Down to the running into the punter call that cost the Bears the win. You don't question the Bears talent. But they played like NIU for most of the game and looked talentless.

Look at the 2017 WMU Broncos. 6-6 after going 13-1 in 2016. There was the same talent level on that team except at QB and 1 wr. (both were huge. But now you're saying talent level is determined by just great players which we know is just luck at Mac recruiting level). But with the new coach and system the team collapsed. It's not talent. It's execution.

Well there's your answer right there, QB play is absolutely critical in the MAC so when Zach Terrell left it created a talent void and they took a step back.

I don't follow the bears very closely, but I did watch some of the game. For all we know the game being played in London affected their performance. They did make stupid mental errors, but on a general note they seemed to get man-handled at the LOS as well. Some might argue there is a talent issue there (Kyle Long?).

I would also agree we have better talent than other MAC teams, but this talent advantage seems to have waned the past few years. At this point I think the difference still exists but is now small, such that really any game is going to be a battle even against the middle of the pack teams, and we might beat bottom feeders by maybe a score or two but that's it. I don't think we'd be blowing the doors off anybody, regardless of who is coaching right now.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-06-2019 06:05 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:31 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

Great talent lets you overcome mistakes. Im not saying NIU has great talent. They have upper half Mac talent and should have no physical issue with other MAC teams.

I agree with you when NIU plays a top 20 P5 team. They are over matched physically and have to press. I expect the penalties to be at least 2 to 1 in favor of the P5 teams. Not 18-0 like Utah and Nebraska. But yes, they will hold and cheat a tad to offset the talent gap.

The Bears game today was a PERFECT example. That game was 100% decided by penalties and mistakes. Every mistake changed the momentum. Down to the running into the punter call that cost the Bears the win. You don't question the Bears talent. But they played like NIU for most of the game and looked talentless.

Look at the 2017 WMU Broncos. 6-6 after going 13-1 in 2016. There was the same talent level on that team except at QB and 1 wr. (both were huge. But now you're saying talent level is determined by just great players which we know is just luck at Mac recruiting level). But with the new coach and system the team collapsed. It's not talent. It's execution.

Well there's your answer right there, QB play is absolutely critical in the MAC so when Zach Terrell left it created a talent void and they took a step back.

I don't follow the bears very closely, but I did watch some of the game. For all we know the game being played in London affected their performance. They did make stupid mental errors, but on a general note they seemed to get man-handled at the LOS as well. Some might argue there is a talent issue there (Kyle Long?).

I would also agree we have better talent than other MAC teams, but this talent advantage seems to have waned the past few years. At this point I think the difference still exists but is now small, such that really any game is going to be a battle even against the middle of the pack teams and bottom feeders. I don't think we'd be blowing the doors off anybody, regardless of who is coaching right now.

This philosophy should then apply to the post Harnish/Lynch era for NIU. Just maybe the Huskies never had greater talent. Maybe those QBs just made it look like they did?

Oakland’s O line pimp slapped Chicago’s front 7. And the Bears front 7 is generally considered the most talented in the NFL. You can blame the travel but then you blame the coach. Gruden took his team out earlier in the week to acclimate while the bears went later in the week.
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I don't see any advantage NIU has in talent anymore. My expectations are that they beat Akron and 1 more team and end up with 3 wins. Unless they miraculously stop making one dumb mistake after another.
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(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play. I.e. Not giving up unnecessary penalties, avoiding turnovers by being favoring a more restricted kind of play, which many people resented.
He had no room for a QB who would win it on his own.
He focused on defense instead of offense and on executing fundamentals.

NIU won close games because we made less mistakes!

The BSU game would have been won had we not committed three turnovers and gave up 110 yards of penalties. Very few would argue against that.

The talent excuses need to be put to rest. We did not have the talent of 2003 last year yet we won the MACC. We had injuries and many close games last year. No blowout by a B1G team.

Sure our lack of talent has hurt us in so many bowl games, however we earned those bowl games and extra practices.
We beat far more talented teams regularly with Rod Carey!

If we weren't 100% 1-dimensional those games wouldn't have been close.

Ross Bowers obviously can't win it on his own because he is hitting guys square in the hands and they aren't catching it. It literally blows my mind that people are calling for Childers to play or looking back a Carey fondly just because things are rough at the moment.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-07-2019 10:22 AM)cosine4 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play. I.e. Not giving up unnecessary penalties, avoiding turnovers by being favoring a more restricted kind of play, which many people resented.
He had no room for a QB who would win it on his own.
He focused on defense instead of offense and on executing fundamentals.

NIU won close games because we made less mistakes!

The BSU game would have been won had we not committed three turnovers and gave up 110 yards of penalties. Very few would argue against that.

The talent excuses need to be put to rest. We did not have the talent of 2003 last year yet we won the MACC. We had injuries and many close games last year. No blowout by a B1G team.

Sure our lack of talent has hurt us in so many bowl games, however we earned those bowl games and extra practices.
We beat far more talented teams regularly with Rod Carey!

If we weren't 100% 1-dimensional those games wouldn't have been close.

Ross Bowers obviously can't win it on his own because he is hitting guys square in the hands and they aren't catching it. It literally blows my mind that people are calling for Childers to play or looking back a Carey fondly just because things are rough at the moment.

We are not 100% one dimensional. We have a running game.
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A lot of Lynch's passing highlights showed Daron Brown or TLL getting past the defense and Lynch hitting a wide-open WR. Who caught the ball. I'm not seeing the receivers get open (except for a few short passes) or catch the ball.

And unlike others, I never minded the jet sweep, if we have somebody fast that can run it. We have to spread the defense out more.
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RE: New Expectations
(10-07-2019 10:28 AM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 10:22 AM)cosine4 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:46 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 04:22 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 08:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It's execution. Finishing drives. timely mistakes. It's not talent.

Does talent not beget each of those things you mentioned? Good players execute, find the end-zone, and avoid mistakes. Coaching plays a role as well obviously, but only to a point. People keep hanging their hat on last years team winning the MACC as some kind of metric about why they should still be good, but the MAC was really bad last year. Look back at the games, we struggled to edge by some atrocious teams by a margin of a touchdown or less. I would say that its a case of we didn't have a good team, our opposition was just really bad.

No. Rod Carey knew and understood the lack of talent and focused on conservative play. I.e. Not giving up unnecessary penalties, avoiding turnovers by being favoring a more restricted kind of play, which many people resented.
He had no room for a QB who would win it on his own.
He focused on defense instead of offense and on executing fundamentals.

NIU won close games because we made less mistakes!

The BSU game would have been won had we not committed three turnovers and gave up 110 yards of penalties. Very few would argue against that.

The talent excuses need to be put to rest. We did not have the talent of 2003 last year yet we won the MACC. We had injuries and many close games last year. No blowout by a B1G team.

Sure our lack of talent has hurt us in so many bowl games, however we earned those bowl games and extra practices.
We beat far more talented teams regularly with Rod Carey!

If we weren't 100% 1-dimensional those games wouldn't have been close.

Ross Bowers obviously can't win it on his own because he is hitting guys square in the hands and they aren't catching it. It literally blows my mind that people are calling for Childers to play or looking back a Carey fondly just because things are rough at the moment.

We are not 100% one dimensional. We have a running game.

Only being able to run (or in the opposite case pass) means 1-dimensional. No one needed to defend the pass, they just keyed in on the run.
10-07-2019 10:52 AM
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