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(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

u r right. i see more plays on madden

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap\ his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

Our playbook is amateur. There is one play we ran at least ten times. This isn’t the NFL.

(10-05-2019 10:06 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap\ his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

Our playbook is amateur. There is one play we ran at least ten times. This isn’t the NFL.

exactly. it's so complicated, smartt only needed the spring and summer to master it

We might be the first 1-4 team in history to have a positive turnover margin. Our defense continues to put the offense in ideal scoring situations and they continue to fail. The field goal we scored tonight was the first score we have had off a turnover all season. And that was because we couldn’t get a first down on a turnover in the red zone.

I took a lot of heat in 2013 for sounding the alarm re our offense.
In those days, BW was virtually a deity.

I highlighted a section that probably resonates with many of you now, but when I posted that back in 2013 I took a lot of heat, especially in PM.

(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Where to start.
General statistics are great except that they can be manipulated to justify anything you want them to.
To say ODU is an elite offense is, IMO a misnomer at best.
In fact, I would submit that without Evans, and our only three inside runners, and a necessity to pull back on TH running now, we are not as good as last year. Certainly we are not as versatile.

What is elite about our offense is an extraordinary QB, and sure handed receivers who can come back to the ball, and then use spin moves to gain extra yardage.
There is nothing otherwise special about it. We have no inside running game, no TE, no draws, and no play action, no complex down blocking schemes, and no options (save for a QB read option that we should not use much now in order to protect TH).
We use a simple, almost sandlot approach to sending out 5 receivers, having them drive forward, then turning around to come back for the ball. Often TH is scrambling such that many if not most of our pass plays are ad-lib.
This scheme relies almost exclusively on the ability of a once-in-a-lifetime QB.

I submit that against UMD, even against the first team, David Washington, because of his vertical running ability, would have been more effective than TH in moving our offense - because they left the middle wide open.

I also submit that, because of the disguised coverage in the red zone, pursuing Dlines, and the larger, faster, and more athletic DBs; the outcomes against UMD and LU would have been roughly the same 9 times out of 10; give or take some points.

No there was nothing extraordinary about the defenses called by Edsall and Gill. However, they WERE the correct ones given the circumstances.

To say that a certain number of yards is a predictor of points is just a statistic. Heck, VT had more total yards than Alabama. It happens every day.

Somewhere in all of that you complained about no draws..... Coach Scott solved that problem, it's his favorite long down play.

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(10-05-2019 11:08 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Somewhere in all of that you complained about no draws..... Coach Scott solved that problem, it's his favorite long down play.

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Thank goodness he made one adjustment from 6 years ago.

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

The bottom line is that BS and Whitcomb take credit for DeMarco and Heinecke’s talent. Play call was atrocious then and is only worse now. Smartt, Bentley and Williams are proof that neither of them know how to develop a QB. Scott and Whitcomb need to be fired immediately. Let Stinespring call the game. He would be better than the those two.

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

Didn't Heinicke take over around the 4th game of his Freshman season? Not buying the "ton of reps transition to college" story.

Yeah, I know. Now we're going to hear that he was just different, etc., etc., etc.

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

It is actually quite extensive. Scott just refuses to turn the page or use any plays from under center. Several times in the 4th quarter I saw the TE frantically waving his hand trying to get Smartt to throw him the ball. Each time Smartt sent it sailing out of bounds. I don't think Smartt looks beyond his first read.

I visited with family in 210 during the halftime show and there was a peewee football team from VA Beach up there and the little players said our QB was missing his open guys jumping up and down. One of the coaches was full of laughter over our simple play calling it was his first time at a odu game.

(10-06-2019 06:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

Didn't Heinicke take over around the 4th game of his Freshman season? Not buying the "ton of reps transition to college" story.

Yeah, I know. Now we're going to hear that he was just different, etc., etc., etc.

Heinicke wasnt injured in camp. (And is a special case)

(10-06-2019 05:44 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

The bottom line is that BS and Whitcomb take credit for DeMarco and Heinecke’s talent. Play call was atrocious then and is only worse now. Smartt, Bentley and Williams are proof that neither of them know how to develop a QB. Scott and Whitcomb need to be fired immediately. Let Stinespring call the game. He would be better than the those two.

Really want Stinespring to call plays?

They also developedLarussa and Washington

(10-06-2019 09:34 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 05:44 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

The bottom line is that BS and Whitcomb take credit for DeMarco and Heinecke’s talent. Play call was atrocious then and is only worse now. Smartt, Bentley and Williams are proof that neither of them know how to develop a QB. Scott and Whitcomb need to be fired immediately. Let Stinespring call the game. He would be better than the those two.

Really want Stinespring to call plays?

They also developedLarussa and Washington

I’d definitely be interested in seeing what Steinspring can do.

(10-06-2019 09:34 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 05:44 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:49 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 09:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wolfe was hurt and may still be hurt. It takes a ton of reps to transition to college. Its also a big gap between high school and college. There is concern that you throw him in too soon (like SW), that it could stunt development. On top of that, the playbook would need to change drastically

The offensive playbook is pretty remedial with little variety. And everyone in the stadium knows when the ball is going to be snapped. Just wait for the QB to clap his hands.

Its much more in depth than some people on here think. Heck, one of our QBs doesnt even know the playbook. Its not like madden.

The bottom line is that BS and Whitcomb take credit for DeMarco and Heinecke’s talent. Play call was atrocious then and is only worse now. Smartt, Bentley and Williams are proof that neither of them know how to develop a QB. Scott and Whitcomb need to be fired immediately. Let Stinespring call the game. He would be better than the those two.

Really want Stinespring to call plays?

They also developedLarussa and Washington

He would be an improvement over Scott. I will give you Washington, but. It LaRussa. He could see the field before he showed up here.

(10-05-2019 09:44 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

Saw this on reddit haha.

This post made my day

ODU is now dead last in overall offense in CUSA, "leading" the conference in such categories as:
fewest total yards - 1342
fewest yards per game - 268
fewest total points - 82
fewest points per game - 16.4