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The Nip at night sure is a thing of beauty when folks come out and bring the 12th man energy. Would love to play Temple at night come November...

 
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(10-08-2019 03:46 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
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(10-08-2019 02:30 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Speaking of Offensive Line Fick just mentioned in his presser that Cooper will be out and likely won’t make it back this year. He was hopeful Ferguson would be ready for Houston, if I understood him correctly.

I believe Cooper red shirted last season; could only 4 games this year allow him to apply for an injury waiver and be allowed 6 years(play 4 more seasons)?

I would think he would at least have a shot at a medical hardship redshirt considering he was hurt during the 5th game, but when it comes to the NCAA who knows really.

Only if his first redshirt was not elective.

Just to add on to BearcatMan's post - you have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility (I'm sure everybody has heard that). If you choose to redshirt one year (elective as BearcatMan's post said), even if you get injured another year, you only have those 5 years to use your eligibility because you chose to use the redshirt year for a non-injury purpose. If you get injured and take your redshirt because of that injury and then get injured again causing you to miss another year, players are often granted the 6th year of eligibility.

Similarly, players who transfer can use the sit out year as a redshirt year, if they haven't already elected to use their redshirt. If they transfer and have used their redshirt for injury purposes, they can apply for a 6th year. If they their elected to use their redshirt, they lose the year.
 
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(10-10-2019 08:47 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 03:46 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 03:21 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 02:30 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Speaking of Offensive Line Fick just mentioned in his presser that Cooper will be out and likely won’t make it back this year. He was hopeful Ferguson would be ready for Houston, if I understood him correctly.

I believe Cooper red shirted last season; could only 4 games this year allow him to apply for an injury waiver and be allowed 6 years(play 4 more seasons)?

I would think he would at least have a shot at a medical hardship redshirt considering he was hurt during the 5th game, but when it comes to the NCAA who knows really.

Only if his first redshirt was not elective.

Just to add on to BearcatMan's post - you have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility (I'm sure everybody has heard that). If you choose to redshirt one year (elective as BearcatMan's post said), even if you get injured another year, you only have those 5 years to use your eligibility because you chose to use the redshirt year for a non-injury purpose. If you get injured and take your redshirt because of that injury and then get injured again causing you to miss another year, players are often granted the 6th year of eligibility.

Similarly, players who transfer can use the sit out year as a redshirt year, if they haven't already elected to use their redshirt. If they transfer and have used their redshirt for injury purposes, they can apply for a 6th year. If they their elected to use their redshirt, they lose the year.

Maybe I'm off but I'd add one more thing. My impression is that with this set-up many schools have gotten pretty good at (oh, what's the best word to use here?), let's say "highlighting" injuries so that they can get a medical rather than elective redshirt.
 
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(10-10-2019 11:19 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 08:47 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 03:46 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 03:21 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  I believe Cooper red shirted last season; could only 4 games this year allow him to apply for an injury waiver and be allowed 6 years(play 4 more seasons)?

I would think he would at least have a shot at a medical hardship redshirt considering he was hurt during the 5th game, but when it comes to the NCAA who knows really.

Only if his first redshirt was not elective.

Just to add on to BearcatMan's post - you have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility (I'm sure everybody has heard that). If you choose to redshirt one year (elective as BearcatMan's post said), even if you get injured another year, you only have those 5 years to use your eligibility because you chose to use the redshirt year for a non-injury purpose. If you get injured and take your redshirt because of that injury and then get injured again causing you to miss another year, players are often granted the 6th year of eligibility.

Similarly, players who transfer can use the sit out year as a redshirt year, if they haven't already elected to use their redshirt. If they transfer and have used their redshirt for injury purposes, they can apply for a 6th year. If they their elected to use their redshirt, they lose the year.

Maybe I'm off but I'd add one more thing. My impression is that with this set-up many schools have gotten pretty good at (oh, what's the best word to use here?), let's say "highlighting" injuries so that they can get a medical rather than elective redshirt.

Yea, that’s where the ambiguity comes in. Would we even know the reason for a Redshirt?
 
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(10-10-2019 05:17 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 11:19 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 08:47 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 03:46 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I would think he would at least have a shot at a medical hardship redshirt considering he was hurt during the 5th game, but when it comes to the NCAA who knows really.

Only if his first redshirt was not elective.

Just to add on to BearcatMan's post - you have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility (I'm sure everybody has heard that). If you choose to redshirt one year (elective as BearcatMan's post said), even if you get injured another year, you only have those 5 years to use your eligibility because you chose to use the redshirt year for a non-injury purpose. If you get injured and take your redshirt because of that injury and then get injured again causing you to miss another year, players are often granted the 6th year of eligibility.

Similarly, players who transfer can use the sit out year as a redshirt year, if they haven't already elected to use their redshirt. If they transfer and have used their redshirt for injury purposes, they can apply for a 6th year. If they their elected to use their redshirt, they lose the year.

Maybe I'm off but I'd add one more thing. My impression is that with this set-up many schools have gotten pretty good at (oh, what's the best word to use here?), let's say "highlighting" injuries so that they can get a medical rather than elective redshirt.

Yea, that’s where the ambiguity comes in. Would we even know the reason for a Redshirt?

No, but they would need to petition the NCAA in order to get a Medical Hardship Waiver...and if the redshirt he took last year was not due to injury his case is dead in the water. I know it was a while ago, but look at Ben Mauk's case. Dude actually had medical documentation from that year, but there was no reference in the original redshirt documents made to him being injured in his first year at Wake, so he was unable to get the additional year (which ended up being 2008 when Tony Pike became a folk hero).
 
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(10-05-2019 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Our dee has been transformed, obviously, since the Drubberville era. Remember when we never had guys in the right space in the secondary? Our backfield always got burned by the big pass play in coverage - never making a play on the ball. Guys couldn't tackle. We couldn't force turnovers. We were slow overall as a defense. Think about this, we held UCF to 3 field goals and 1 TD in 6 red zone tries. That INT was a gift since the UCF wideout slipped in his route but still - what an accomplishment after how UCF has been scoring in mega-droves all season. No one talks enough about Perry Young IMO. He is a fast backer in space and compliments very well with Bryan Wright.

I'm glad I no longer have to yell at Carter Jacobs. Seemed like a really nice young man who was very proud to play for the cats, but phew.... he was always out of position or getting beat deep.
 
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(10-11-2019 07:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 05:17 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 11:19 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 08:47 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Only if his first redshirt was not elective.

Just to add on to BearcatMan's post - you have 5 years to use your 4 years of eligibility (I'm sure everybody has heard that). If you choose to redshirt one year (elective as BearcatMan's post said), even if you get injured another year, you only have those 5 years to use your eligibility because you chose to use the redshirt year for a non-injury purpose. If you get injured and take your redshirt because of that injury and then get injured again causing you to miss another year, players are often granted the 6th year of eligibility.

Similarly, players who transfer can use the sit out year as a redshirt year, if they haven't already elected to use their redshirt. If they transfer and have used their redshirt for injury purposes, they can apply for a 6th year. If they their elected to use their redshirt, they lose the year.

Maybe I'm off but I'd add one more thing. My impression is that with this set-up many schools have gotten pretty good at (oh, what's the best word to use here?), let's say "highlighting" injuries so that they can get a medical rather than elective redshirt.

Yea, that’s where the ambiguity comes in. Would we even know the reason for a Redshirt?

No, but they would need to petition the NCAA in order to get a Medical Hardship Waiver...and if the redshirt he took last year was not due to injury his case is dead in the water. I know it was a while ago, but look at Ben Mauk's case. Dude actually had medical documentation from that year, but there was no reference in the original redshirt documents made to him being injured in his first year at Wake, so he was unable to get the additional year (which ended up being 2008 when Tony Pike became a folk hero).

Thanks for sharing. I would hope that if there are any injuries during a Redshirt year then the staff would take advantage of documenting it as a Medical reason, but I’m not sure how strict the NCAA is on that. In the end, I’m sure Fick and Co are going to do what’s best for the kids and the team.
 
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(10-11-2019 10:31 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Our dee has been transformed, obviously, since the Drubberville era. Remember when we never had guys in the right space in the secondary? Our backfield always got burned by the big pass play in coverage - never making a play on the ball. Guys couldn't tackle. We couldn't force turnovers. We were slow overall as a defense. Think about this, we held UCF to 3 field goals and 1 TD in 6 red zone tries. That INT was a gift since the UCF wideout slipped in his route but still - what an accomplishment after how UCF has been scoring in mega-droves all season. No one talks enough about Perry Young IMO. He is a fast backer in space and compliments very well with Bryan Wright.

I'm glad I no longer have to yell at Carter Jacobs. Seemed like a really nice young man who was very proud to play for the cats, but phew.... he was always out of position or getting beat deep.

Carter deservedly takes a lot of heat but honestly there were other guys that played defense to just occupy space. It didn't help matters that we had a lazy head coach that employed the following dee coordinators:

Art Kaufman 2013
Robert Prutny/Hank Hughes 2014
Robert Prunty/Steve Clinkscale 2015
Robert Prunty 2016
 
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(10-11-2019 02:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 10:31 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Our dee has been transformed, obviously, since the Drubberville era. Remember when we never had guys in the right space in the secondary? Our backfield always got burned by the big pass play in coverage - never making a play on the ball. Guys couldn't tackle. We couldn't force turnovers. We were slow overall as a defense. Think about this, we held UCF to 3 field goals and 1 TD in 6 red zone tries. That INT was a gift since the UCF wideout slipped in his route but still - what an accomplishment after how UCF has been scoring in mega-droves all season. No one talks enough about Perry Young IMO. He is a fast backer in space and compliments very well with Bryan Wright.

I'm glad I no longer have to yell at Carter Jacobs. Seemed like a really nice young man who was very proud to play for the cats, but phew.... he was always out of position or getting beat deep.

Carter deservedly takes a lot of heat but honestly there were other guys that played defense to just occupy space. It didn't help matters that we had a lazy head coach that employed the following dee coordinators:

Art Kaufman 2013
Robert Prutny/Hank Hughes 2014
Robert Prunty/Steve Clinkscale 2015
Robert Prunty 2016

Nothing like hiring a UCONN cast-off
 
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(10-11-2019 02:26 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 02:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 10:31 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Our dee has been transformed, obviously, since the Drubberville era. Remember when we never had guys in the right space in the secondary? Our backfield always got burned by the big pass play in coverage - never making a play on the ball. Guys couldn't tackle. We couldn't force turnovers. We were slow overall as a defense. Think about this, we held UCF to 3 field goals and 1 TD in 6 red zone tries. That INT was a gift since the UCF wideout slipped in his route but still - what an accomplishment after how UCF has been scoring in mega-droves all season. No one talks enough about Perry Young IMO. He is a fast backer in space and compliments very well with Bryan Wright.

I'm glad I no longer have to yell at Carter Jacobs. Seemed like a really nice young man who was very proud to play for the cats, but phew.... he was always out of position or getting beat deep.

Carter deservedly takes a lot of heat but honestly there were other guys that played defense to just occupy space. It didn't help matters that we had a lazy head coach that employed the following dee coordinators:

Art Kaufman 2013
Robert Prutny/Hank Hughes 2014
Robert Prunty/Steve Clinkscale 2015
Robert Prunty 2016

Nothing like hiring a UCONN cast-off

He is now at PENN at DL only. Only lasted one season I think at Nebraska.
 
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We all need to take a deep breath and remember that this team is still kind young. We have a handful of seniors/grads. Most of the consistent, high flying teams have their 2 deep full of 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. We are kind of light there.

When your team is young, it is tough to have consistency. Not impossible, but be careful expecting it. Our biggest obstacle this week might not be Houston, but ourselves.

The good news is that we have a lot of guys in their 2nd year of starting or getting a lot of playing time, and many of them should be back for 2 or 3 more years. I see good things ahead.
 
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(10-11-2019 03:21 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  We all need to take a deep breath and remember that this team is still kind young. We have a handful of seniors/grads. Most of the consistent, high flying teams have their 2 deep full of 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. We are kind of light there.

When your team is young, it is tough to have consistency. Not impossible, but be careful expecting it. Our biggest obstacle this week might not be Houston, but ourselves.

The good news is that we have a lot of guys in their 2nd year of starting or getting a lot of playing time, and many of them should be back for 2 or 3 more years. I see good things ahead.

Breathe easy, band dude.

Most of our guys have been around the block a time or two. I'm confident that they pretty much know what they're doing.
 
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(10-11-2019 03:00 PM)Nobones Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 02:26 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 02:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 10:31 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 11:54 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Our dee has been transformed, obviously, since the Drubberville era. Remember when we never had guys in the right space in the secondary? Our backfield always got burned by the big pass play in coverage - never making a play on the ball. Guys couldn't tackle. We couldn't force turnovers. We were slow overall as a defense. Think about this, we held UCF to 3 field goals and 1 TD in 6 red zone tries. That INT was a gift since the UCF wideout slipped in his route but still - what an accomplishment after how UCF has been scoring in mega-droves all season. No one talks enough about Perry Young IMO. He is a fast backer in space and compliments very well with Bryan Wright.

I'm glad I no longer have to yell at Carter Jacobs. Seemed like a really nice young man who was very proud to play for the cats, but phew.... he was always out of position or getting beat deep.

Carter deservedly takes a lot of heat but honestly there were other guys that played defense to just occupy space. It didn't help matters that we had a lazy head coach that employed the following dee coordinators:

Art Kaufman 2013
Robert Prutny/Hank Hughes 2014
Robert Prunty/Steve Clinkscale 2015
Robert Prunty 2016

Nothing like hiring a UCONN cast-off

He is now at PENN at DL only. Only lasted one season I think at Nebraska.

Clinkscale is still at Kentucky as a defensive backs coach and Kaufman hasn't coached since 2016 when he was DC for California.
 
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(10-11-2019 03:21 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  We all need to take a deep breath and remember that this team is still kind young. We have a handful of seniors/grads. Most of the consistent, high flying teams have their 2 deep full of 3rd, 4th and 5th year players. We are kind of light there.

When your team is young, it is tough to have consistency. Not impossible, but be careful expecting it. Our biggest obstacle this week might not be Houston, but ourselves.

The good news is that we have a lot of guys in their 2nd year of starting or getting a lot of playing time, and many of them should be back for 2 or 3 more years. I see good things ahead.

After Fickell's initial year, we're 15 and 3, including 9 and 0 at home. Two of the three losses were to top 10 teams on the road. That's consistency. Go Cats!
 
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Dudes. Remember at the beginning of the season we were lamenting the tough conference schedule? My, my how things change. I've said before that we caught a break not playing SMU or Tulane and we get a down Houston on the road. Look at Temple's remaining schedule. BRUTAL stretch of games. That's why our win over UCF was absolutely huuuge.

Cincinnati [4-1]
@ Houston [2-3]
Tulsa [2-3]
@ ECU [3-3]
UGone [1-4]
@ USF [2-3]
Temple [4-1]
@ Memphis [5-0]

Temple [4-1]
Memphis [5-0]
@ SMU [6-0]
UCF [4-2]
@ USF [2-3]
Tulane [4-1]
@ Cincinnati [4-1]
UGone [1-4]

UCF [4-2]
ECU [3-3]
@ Temple [4-1]
Houston [2-3]
@ Tulsa [2-3]
@ Tulane [4-1]
USF [2-3]
 
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Yep, Temple has 3 ranked teams and Ucf. Don't remember a schedule like that when we were in the old Big East. Not to mention Tulane is very good.
 
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