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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.
 
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(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

Correct. Something could be done. But on October 8, 2019 it's not even worth worrying about in my mind.

I also recall discussions about hosting Texas or Oklahoma @ PBS if needed for B12 membership. Nippert would be fine for Kansas, TCU, TTU, etc.. And I really don't think Nippert at 40,000 would be an issue with the ACC which actually has smaller stadia overall.

The risk in any expansion is destroying the unique attributes of Nippert as a historic venue situated in a natural bowl in the campus topography. Size isn't everything. Rice University has a 70,000 seat football stadium which is usually pretty empty, It doesn't make the school more attractive to the P5. Cameron Indoor @ Duke seats less than 10,000 for basketball but has room for lots of championship banners. Wrigley Field is a special place, whether one likes the Cubs or not.

Let's hope Fickell intends to stay for awhile, keep building and make UC football more of a destination for great talent from Ohio and elsewhere. Our area is responding with great crowds this season. Let's build sustainable attendance--start selling out season tickets before the season kicks off. Then demand will drive the conversation.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 10:43 AM)geef Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

Exactly this. It's not as if the UCF was sold out weeks in advance either. Maybe we can figure out a way to add 2,000 or so temporary/ SRO seats for huge games, but it's really not needed, particularly because of the trend you cite.

One example just down the street from me. Portland has a serious MLB ownership team in place, and they're likely to get a team (either through Oakland or Tampa moving, or expansion) in the next few years. The stadium they've designed holds 34,000, which I'd argue is just about perfect for the stadiums of the future. Keep Nippert at 40K.
And if attendance declines, you add more delux seating, the parking problem is lessen, and with the premium seating you generate more revenue.

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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 11:04 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

The only thing I'd love to do is put balconies on the side of Dieterle facing the field and maybe add some sort of party platform to the roof. Turning that into a situation similar to the Riverboat at Great American doesn't seem like it would be that cost prohibitive and would be a really cool addition to the feel of the stadium. Imagine another 300 rockin fans on top of that building or on balconies coming off of it. Put a bar up top and hopefully you'd also clear out some of the congestion in the walkways.
Similar to the rooftops next to Wrigley Field.

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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-08-2019 07:59 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 11:04 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

The only thing I'd love to do is put balconies on the side of Dieterle facing the field and maybe add some sort of party platform to the roof. Turning that into a situation similar to the Riverboat at Great American doesn't seem like it would be that cost prohibitive and would be a really cool addition to the feel of the stadium. Imagine another 300 rockin fans on top of that building or on balconies coming off of it. Put a bar up top and hopefully you'd also clear out some of the congestion in the walkways.
Similar to the rooftops next to Wrigley Field.

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I don't think the university would be allowed to do that due to that building's historic status.

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To stay on topic......... I don't know what goes on inside Dieterle now but I've said several times it'd be nice to incorporate it more into the gameday atmosphere while still keeping it the same historic building. An open air walk-through on gameday to possibly alleviate the congestion on the south end, a family cool-off zone on the few 95 degree gamedays we have. a Bearcats HOF experience, a small food hall, etc.

As far as getting Nippert to 50k, I think you could add a few rows directly to the east side and put it right up against the Lindner Center, and you can take the ends of the east and west second decks and expand them closer to Dieterle.. but those seats don't add enough financial value to make expansion worth it and there's no reason to expand unless we're selling out every game. That's when discussion should start.
 
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(10-08-2019 08:19 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  To stay on topic......... I don't know what goes on inside Dieterle now but I've said several times it'd be nice to incorporate it more into the gameday atmosphere while still keeping it the same historic building. An open air walk-through on gameday to possibly alleviate the congestion on the south end, a family cool-off zone on the few 95 degree gamedays we have. a Bearcats HOF experience, a small food hall, etc.

As far as getting Nippert to 50k, I think you could add a few rows directly to the east side and put it right up against the Lindner Center, and you can take the ends of the east and west second decks and expand them closer to Dieterle.. but those seats don't add enough financial value to make expansion worth it and there's no reason to expand unless we're selling out every game. That's when discussion should start.

Gutting and reno-ing Dieterle is something I've been on board with for a long time. That would be a really cool use of an historic building to make it into a second TUC almost, concessions, bathrooms, general hangout before/halftime/after games.
 
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(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

[Image: Nippert+Expansion1.jpg]
 
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If we ever get an ACC or B12 invite adding 5k premium will add more revenue than 15k of economy seating.

Extending up or around Reed Shank just creates cheap seats. I firmly think the economic model strongly favors Club and Suite seats like the new pavilion.
 
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(10-08-2019 08:37 AM)doss2 Wrote:  If we ever get an ACC or B12 invite adding 5k premium will add more revenue than 15k of economy seating.

Extending up or around Reed Shank just creates cheap seats. I firmly think the economic model strongly favors Club and Suite seats like the new pavilion.

This.

Also, I posted this in another thread awhile back, but UC's next move should be to stay the at 40K, but raise ticket prices in the non-premium seating (for basketball too). The department needs more revenue coming into the coffers.
 
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(10-08-2019 08:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 08:37 AM)doss2 Wrote:  If we ever get an ACC or B12 invite adding 5k premium will add more revenue than 15k of economy seating.

Extending up or around Reed Shank just creates cheap seats. I firmly think the economic model strongly favors Club and Suite seats like the new pavilion.

This.

Also, I posted this in another thread awhile back, but UC's next move should be to stay the at 40K, but raise ticket prices in the non-premium seating (for basketball too). The department needs more revenue coming into the coffers.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like football tickets have gone up quite a bit in recent years. My seat for UCLA was $65. I think they were about the same for UCF but I couldn't make it to the game.

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(10-08-2019 08:36 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

[Image: Nippert+Expansion1.jpg]

That design was hideous, IMO. All the charm of sterile outdated concrete mid century venues.

I doubt 50k will happen for many, many moons. Heck, I have some personal doubts it really holds 40k as it sits now.

Anything can be built...it’s just a question of opportunity cost and money. Decision was made to go with premium seating over quantity the last upgrade. Dieterle isn’t going anywhere (nor should it) and I very much doubt it gets gutted down the road to add seating to its facade.

My guess is future additions will be incremental in nature. If the Big12 or AAC ever come calling, Nippert’s capacity will not be what holds up the deal.
 
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(10-08-2019 09:11 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 08:36 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

[Image: Nippert+Expansion1.jpg]

That design was hideous, IMO. All the charm of sterile outdated concrete mid century venues.

I doubt 50k will happen for many, many moons. Heck, I have some personal doubts it really holds 40k as it sits now.

Anything can be built...it’s just a question of opportunity cost and money. Decision was made to go with premium seating over quantity the last upgrade. Dieterle isn’t going anywhere (nor should it) and I very much doubt it gets gutted down the road to add seating to its facade.

My guess is future additions will be incremental in nature. If the Big12 or AAC ever come calling, Nippert’s capacity will not be what holds up the deal.

Bolded, great summation of this entire discussion.
 
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(10-08-2019 08:36 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

[Image: Nippert+Expansion1.jpg]

Yup, that's the one.

The big Taco.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
Possible - Yes
Difficult - Very
Expensive - Extremely

The real problem is that it would essentially destroy the Nippert Stadium that we have come to love.
 
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(10-08-2019 11:57 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 08:36 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 02:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There was an unsolicited plan/model created by HOK (I think it was HOK) that had a "double deck" configuration for both "east" and "west" stands that resembled the old Tampa stadium or the Liberty Bowl that had a projected capacity of "50k". Notably, the design had no "Luxury suites," sacrificing luxury for capacity. Brian Kelly hated it and the proposal went nowhere.

[Image: Nippert+Expansion1.jpg]

Yup, that's the one.

The big Taco.

The big toilet seat.
 
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It does look very Liberty Bowlish.
 
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If you revamp it and go straight up, you could call it "the funnel at Nippert Stadium"...that way you'd have naming rights for all the donors funneling $$ into the project!
 
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I guess I don't see the point of getting to 50K. The stadium is as loud as any, when full. People really want to get ahold of tickets, when you tell them that there is a ticket shortage. Less is more. Raise the prices when the time comes. Don't increase the capacity.
 
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Only do it if the demand is there or if it is a league requirement. Don't do it just to get to get to 50,000. We have a good thing going. Progress is good but, without the demand, you end up with the same amount of noise with empty seats. I imagine any expansion will involve more boxes and more seats and more amenities. I don't think there is a need for that today but hopefully there will be in the future.
 
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