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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)
 
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(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Cincinnati -- Reds and FC Cincy
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 02:39 AM)Cattidude Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Cincinnati -- Reds and FC Cincy

And Cyclones and Bengals....bad pro sports are still pro sports.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-06-2019 10:51 PM)Cattidude Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 09:15 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Back to the question at hand..."Would it be possible to ever get Nippert Stadium to 50k capacity?"

The short answer is "YES...BUT." This was heavily studied some years back (what, maybe 10 now?). YES...Nippert could be basically totally rebuilt to get capacity up to about 50k, BUT the amount of money and effort needed to do it would be prohibitive.

First, you'd basically be destroying Nippert. The things we love about the current stadium would cease to exist. The rebuilt stadium might sit on the land Nippert sits in, but it would--for all intents and purposes--be a different stadium.

Second, as several people have noted, it's not just--or even mainly--about the seats. Parking, traffic flow in and out of the stands, restrooms, etc...all of these basic needs need to be accommodated and accounted in any expansion. And, NO, this is not even about "the stadium experience"; it's fire codes, basic sanitation, etc... The whole "experience" thing would come much later.

Third, it would involve the whole campus. Dieterle is the easy target. But now you have "Varsity Village," the TUC, the Rec Center, and even 5/3 and Marge Schott all hemming Nippert in. You can't "just" rebuild and expand Nippert without impacting the whole of the Campus.

Fourth...well...$$$. Where are you going to get the likely $500+ Million to do what you want to do? (And I'm being conservative here.)

Fifth, there's a real question about the future of college FB. As it sits right now, Nippert is a somewhat flexible option. It suits us where we currently sit in the AAC; it isn't either too large nor too small. IF, God forbid, we find D-1 FBS football outside of the Power Conferences to be untenable in the long term, the current Nippert can be "downsized." If you ever needed to, Reed-Shank could be easily removed to give you a capable stadium for a...smaller...football existence (say at the FCS level). If you gamble on a 50,000 seat stadium and the "Power" dream never comes to pass, you find yourself in the situation UConn finds itself in: how in the world could they ever do FCS at Rentschler? They (UConn) will either "make" FBS independence work or they will have to abandon D1 football. (Or maybe they go the FBS-non scholarship route like Georgetown and play with wooden bleachers on some field on campus...) But until the future is more certain, it would be foolhardy to invest in a massive stadium...even if it could be done.

It may be possible to rebuild/replace the Reed-Shank Pavilion with a different set of stands with a greater seating capacity...but it's not going to ever get you 15k more. Maybe another 2-3k... I dunno.

I also don't think you're ever going to "fill in the notches" again. We have beat that one to death over the past few years. The gains in reconstructing them will never match the expense of doing it. Those seat were and never will be great revenue generators. Just getting a few thousand more people to count will not justify the construction expense...sorry.

There's no expense to the university to fill in the notches or replace the front rows taken out. FC Cincy agreed to replace whatever seating was taken out if the university wanted them to replace the seats.

Dude... The terms of that agreement have already expired. They were only if FC-Cincinnati left Nippert before 2019 and, assuming of course, the University wanted to rebuild those seats. We're well past that.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.
 
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I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

Exactly this. It's not as if the UCF was sold out weeks in advance either. Maybe we can figure out a way to add 2,000 or so temporary/ SRO seats for huge games, but it's really not needed, particularly because of the trend you cite.

One example just down the street from me. Portland has a serious MLB ownership team in place, and they're likely to get a team (either through Oakland or Tampa moving, or expansion) in the next few years. The stadium they've designed holds 34,000, which I'd argue is just about perfect for the stadiums of the future. Keep Nippert at 40K.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

The only thing I'd love to do is put balconies on the side of Dieterle facing the field and maybe add some sort of party platform to the roof. Turning that into a situation similar to the Riverboat at Great American doesn't seem like it would be that cost prohibitive and would be a really cool addition to the feel of the stadium. Imagine another 300 rockin fans on top of that building or on balconies coming off of it. Put a bar up top and hopefully you'd also clear out some of the congestion in the walkways.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
(10-07-2019 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.

I take a broader approach that for a city to thrive, or at least be relevant in the minds of many around the country (which includes being an appealing place to visit, live or work), it needs something to stand out about it. Could be a gambling mecca (e.g. Vegas) or an entertainment capital (e.g. LA), etc. But pro sports are some of the biggest and most popular ways. MLS, NHL and especially the NBA help, but at least in my experience (and it's possible there's some bias and limited exposure factors at play) the top 2 are the NFL and MLB. Having both is a tremendous asset to giving the city high visibility nationally and losing either would be a significant blow over time (although it's possible for popularities to change over time too - perhaps soccer will be bigger than football in a few decades or whatever).

I think if you asked a typical American, nearly all would say they've heard of Cincinnati even if they don't know what state we are in (unfortunately I'm serious). Ask them the first thing they think of when they think of Cincinnati and I'm betting the vast majority mention something related to the Reds or Bengals (and although some of that might be tied to losing lately, it's all publicity. Furthermore, for many of them it very well might be the only thing they could mention about Cincinnati). (The truth is we aren't a ribs/BBQ city, microbreweries are everywhere, chili is polarizing and Graeters is now available in supermarkets across much of the country. Quality art, museums, zoos/aquariums/amusement parks are all good and help but rarely move the dial much nationally).

So my point is pro sports (MLB and NFL in particular) are what puts Cincinnati on the map for many across the country. And being on the map is relevant if you want your city to thrive economically (in particular as far as attracting people to create and work at businesses in the area). Now if that's not a concern to you (and I say that not sarcastically - maybe you just want a place to live affordably/comfortably with your family for at least the next few years and it's not like everything is going to change overnight if they leave) then I can see why losing the Bengals for example is irrelevant to your personal happiness or satisfaction. But if you are looking to have the city remain relevant nationally with the general public (thereby enabling economic development) keeping the Reds and Bengals for the foreseeable future is a big deal even if the direct benefits (e.g. money generated on gamedays) aren't all they are hyped to be.
 
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(10-07-2019 11:04 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am still wondering why anyone would want to expand Nipper further.

All sports are trending to lesser in person attendance and greater watching remotely on television or the Internet. Having a smaller stadium you can fill with the more die hard fans and students seems an advantage to me.

The only thing I'd love to do is put balconies on the side of Dieterle facing the field and maybe add some sort of party platform to the roof. Turning that into a situation similar to the Riverboat at Great American doesn't seem like it would be that cost prohibitive and would be a really cool addition to the feel of the stadium. Imagine another 300 rockin fans on top of that building or on balconies coming off of it. Put a bar up top and hopefully you'd also clear out some of the congestion in the walkways.
This. When was the last time anyone here had a hard time getting a ticket? Even during the BE glory days I could usually still grab tickets for face value or less.

Reds and other pro sports are going this way. Make roof top decks, special spaces with premium experiences. So you can be part of the game and the atmosphere but you are getting the experience like you are in your own private bar/party deck. Not everyone wants to be squeezed into a seat.

Unless the ticket demand skyrockets or the AAC (or SEC/B10..dream big)come calling, there is no need to expand. I don't trust the B12 to be around long enough to expand.
 
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Nippert remains a perfect size for the American Conference. Even with a win Saturday, is anyone assuming Tulsa will sell out--especially if it's an afternoon game? Unlikely.

It would work fine in the ACC too. If the B12 gave an ultimatum to expand or be left behind, I'm sure it could be done with another tier above the pavilion to at least match TCU in capacity. But I do agree with those who have suggested that it's more than just seats--infrastructure would require a major upgrade for more walkways, rest rooms, concessions and parking. I would label these "good" problems if they accompany P5 membership.

But as others have said, it's moving toward a better revenue model with more amenities rather than just more aluminum bleachers. P5 membership would certainly sell more suites and club seats. A Clemson or Oklahoma coming to Nippert regularly resets our priorities in the best ways possible.
 
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Haven't read all 3 pages of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been asked/stated.....

You could argue that if the Bengals LEFT Cincy, UC would then be more attractive to a P5 conference......correct??
 
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(10-07-2019 12:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.

I take a broader approach that for a city to thrive, or at least be relevant in the minds of many around the country (which includes being an appealing place to visit, live or work), it needs something to stand out about it. Could be a gambling mecca (e.g. Vegas) or an entertainment capital (e.g. LA), etc. But pro sports are some of the biggest and most popular ways. MLS, NHL and especially the NBA help, but at least in my experience (and it's possible there's some bias and limited exposure factors at play) the top 2 are the NFL and MLB. Having both is a tremendous asset to giving the city high visibility nationally and losing either would be a significant blow over time (although it's possible for popularities to change over time too - perhaps soccer will be bigger than football in a few decades or whatever).

I think if you asked a typical American, nearly all would say they've heard of Cincinnati even if they don't know what state we are in (unfortunately I'm serious). Ask them the first thing they think of when they think of Cincinnati and I'm betting the vast majority mention something related to the Reds or Bengals (and although some of that might be negative, it's all publicity). (The truth is we aren't a ribs/BBQ city, chili is polarizing and Graeters is now available in supermarkets across much of the country. Quality art, museums, zoos/aquariums/amusement parks are all good and help but rarely move the dial much nationally).

So my point is pro sports (MLB and NFL in particular) are what puts Cincinnati on the map for many across the country. And being on the map is relevant if you want your city to thrive economically (in particular as far as attracting people to create and work at businesses in the area). Now if that's not a concern to you (and I say that not sarcastically - maybe you just want a place to live affordably/comfortably with your family for at least the next few years and it's not like everything is going to change overnight if they leave) then I can see why losing the Bengals for example is irrelevant to your personal happiness or satisfaction. But if you are looking to have the city remain relevant (thereby enabling economic development) keeping the Reds and Bengals for the foreseeable future is a big deal even if the direct benefits (e.g. money generated on gamedays) aren't all they are hyped to be.

I hate the Bengals ownership, their lease deal, and the way they treat the city. They're an embarrassment in every facet. BUT, but you have a point with this. Was over in Germany about this time last year. Was at Oktoberfest at a table with some young locals.. they asked where we're from and my group responded with Cincinnati. The one thing they related immediately to Cincinnati was the Bengals. Not much else.
 
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(10-07-2019 01:33 PM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote:  Haven't read all 3 pages of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been asked/stated.....

You could argue that if the Bengals LEFT Cincy, UC would then be more attractive to a P5 conference......correct??

You are assuming that the $$ spent on the Bengals would automatically flow to the UC AD....Not so fast....

NFL fans like the NFL for a reason...the best athletes playing the sport at peak performance. P5 FB is NOT NFL.

You might get some crossover, but the immediate assumption is flawed.

You also haven't addressed UC's small fanbase, small facilities, and built-in recruiting handicaps when compared to top-tier P5.

And that's just for starters...

What do you do about the fact that the P5 doesn't want to dilute the take among the member schools? The likelihood that weak P5's get shed is more probable than expansion. The subsidy levels alone argue for this.

So I'd say the analysis is needs work.
 
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(10-07-2019 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.

The particular thread you were responding to was regarding pro sports period. Not just the NFL. All those cities (save Hartford and Las Vegas) have some pro sport in them...there's a reason for it. It attracts population.

The same way a vibrant AD attracts population to a college campus.

The exact same way.
 
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(10-07-2019 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.

Something else to take into account is that if the Bengals left, the Reds market would further shrink...making them less viable as a Cincinnati franchise...and more likely to move.
 
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(10-07-2019 07:41 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 12:09 AM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-06-2019 05:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  San Antonio, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Hartford, St. Louis and San Diego. No NFL and no P5.

All have pro sports!!! Read the post and do some basic research.

San Antonio--Spurs
Memphis--Grizzlies
Orlando--Magic
Hartford--NHL Whalers until 97
St. Louis--Cardinals and Blues
San Diego--Padres

Las Vegas gets the Raiders next year...but they are a special case due to gambling restrictions within the city limits (until recently)

The premise that was brought up in this thread (and others) is the city of Cincinnati without the Bengals, not the city of Cincinnati devoid of professional sports. You've made the point that if the Bengals left town the city will no longer be worse for it, I've pointed out examples of cities where either an NFL team has left, or has never had a program that have survived not having a NFL team. Nobody thinks of less of these cities for it.

Something else to take into account is that if the Bengals left, the Reds market would further shrink...making them less viable as a Cincinnati franchise...and more likely to move.
That is absolutely the dumbest post I've ever read. Congrats.

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(10-07-2019 07:34 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(10-07-2019 01:33 PM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote:  Haven't read all 3 pages of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been asked/stated.....

You could argue that if the Bengals LEFT Cincy, UC would then be more attractive to a P5 conference......correct??

You are assuming that the $$ spent on the Bengals would automatically flow to the UC AD....Not so fast....

NFL fans like the NFL for a reason...the best athletes playing the sport at peak performance. P5 FB is NOT NFL.

You might get some crossover, but the immediate assumption is flawed.

You also haven't addressed UC's small fanbase, small facilities, and built-in recruiting handicaps when compared to top-tier P5.

And that's just for starters...

What do you do about the fact that the P5 doesn't want to dilute the take among the member schools? The likelihood that weak P5's get shed is more probable than expansion. The subsidy levels alone argue for this.

So I'd say the analysis is needs work.

Another point that I think has been overlooked is that even though they play a few games on Monday, Thursday and Saturday etc the NFL is inextricably tied to Sundays for its fans. To many, NFL Sundays are all about football (and maybe Church for some, for others the NFL is their church). It's the day where priority number 1 is they watch their team whether it's on the big screen from the couch (either alone or with friends and/or family), at the local watering hole with many other fans or at the game itself - often starting long before kickoff with a massive tailgate party.

If that goes away, those Bengal fans without a team aren't suddenly going to replace their rituals by swapping in UC Saturdays for Bengal Sundays. The traditional Monday morning water cooler discussion bashing Mike Brown and Andy over yesterday's game will be a thing of the past. The "gang" they watched the Bengals with is going to have too many conflicts to all move to Saturdays. Saturdays already have their own rituals whether it's college football for those that are already fans or shopping or housework/yardwork or kids' games/quality time often followed by date nights with a spouse who doesn't necessarily find watching college football games all that romantic. That stuff doesn't go away if the Bengals leave town and most of it doesn't switch smoothly to Sundays.

The bottom line is UC is going to have to earn its claws so to speak. I suspect we can get more in crossover appeal with continued success than we would in substitute appeal if the Bengals left town. Anyone thinking most Bengal fans (coming from a large surrounding area and from many different college and non-college backgrounds) are simply going to switch their allegiance and re-orient their lives around UC football if the Bengals go away are sorely mistaken in my opinion.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
The Reds aren't going anywhere, this is idiodic. The Bengals you could make an argument for, but at this point you probably need to wait to awe what happens with this lease deal and Mike Brown turning the family business over.
 
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RE: Would it be possible to ever get Nippert to 50K?
Weren't there some plans made public where the university would add a third deck to the east concourse bringing it up to 50k.
 
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