(10-07-2019 12:49 PM)axeme Wrote:  There is no logic that puts any G5 conference on par with the P5.

Correct. The AAC and MWC are definitely the top two in terms of combined program strength and institutional makeup, but they aren't power football conferences.

AAC has 3 teams in the AP's
Top 25.

That’s very good! Best G5 team is Boise who will carry the torch for G5 this season it appears.

Don't understand the logic of this thread. So far this is the best season the American has had.

Massey Composite conference averages

Big 12 = 40.1
SEC = 43.9
Pac 12 = 44.9
Big 10 = 48.2

ACC = 56.7
American = 59.4

MWC = 74.2
Sun Belt = 86.0

CUSA = 96.7
MAC = 98.0

So... since according to this thread, there is no more P6, do the AAC teams have to take that ridiculously arrogant P6 sticker off the backs of their helmets?

Surprised the NCAA even lets them do that, as the NCAA likes to have control over so many petty things.

(10-07-2019 10:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Don't understand the logic of this thread. So far this is the best season the American has had.

Massey Composite conference averages

Big 12 = 40.1
SEC = 43.9
Pac 12 = 44.9
Big 10 = 48.2

ACC = 56.7
American = 59.4

MWC = 74.2
Sun Belt = 86.0

CUSA = 96.7
MAC = 98.0

It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 10:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Don't understand the logic of this thread. So far this is the best season the American has had.

Massey Composite conference averages

Big 12 = 40.1
SEC = 43.9
Pac 12 = 44.9
Big 10 = 48.2

ACC = 56.7
American = 59.4

MWC = 74.2
Sun Belt = 86.0

CUSA = 96.7
MAC = 98.0

It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

^^^. He’s right you know !! :epicapplause

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 10:30 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Don't understand the logic of this thread. So far this is the best season the American has had.

Massey Composite conference averages

Big 12 = 40.1
SEC = 43.9
Pac 12 = 44.9
Big 10 = 48.2

ACC = 56.7
American = 59.4

MWC = 74.2
Sun Belt = 86.0

CUSA = 96.7
MAC = 98.0

It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

Of course there's still a gulf between what the American is and what the "power" conferences are. However that's never been what the whole P6 moniker was about. It's a marketing gimmick that's actually been quite effective at raising brand awareness. What I was confused at is why OP thinks the AAC has to abandon said gimmick when its having it's best year? We have three teams in the top 25, why does it matter that UCF isnt one of them? I think it actually speaks more to the strength of the league that we could be positioned this well with them having a relatively down year.

(10-08-2019 03:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

Of course there's still a gulf between what the American is and what the "power" conferences are. However that's never been what the whole P6 moniker was about. It's a marketing gimmick that's actually been quite effective at raising brand awareness. What I was confused at is why OP thinks the AAC has to abandon said gimmick when its having it's best year? We have three teams in the top 25, why does it matter that UCF isnt one of them? I think it actually speaks more to the strength of the league that we could be positioned this well with them having a relatively down year.

He can speak for himself, but if I were to guess it's founded on the logic that without a team as good as UCF the last few years that the P6 thing is dead. I disagree with that logic because to your point the AAC is doing well overall and IIRC P6 was a thing even before UCF rose to national prominence; however, it doesn't change the fact that while most AAC fans acknowledge out that P6 is a branding gimmick, you do see many claim that they're legitimately a power conference that should get a NY6 auto-bid on the basis of their schools and programs. That's where it's wrong, and I'll die on that hill.

(10-08-2019 05:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 03:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

Of course there's still a gulf between what the American is and what the "power" conferences are. However that's never been what the whole P6 moniker was about. It's a marketing gimmick that's actually been quite effective at raising brand awareness. What I was confused at is why OP thinks the AAC has to abandon said gimmick when its having it's best year? We have three teams in the top 25, why does it matter that UCF isnt one of them? I think it actually speaks more to the strength of the league that we could be positioned this well with them having a relatively down year.

He can speak for himself, but if I were to guess it's founded on the logic that without a team as good as UCF the last few years that the P6 thing is dead. I disagree with that logic because to your point the AAC is doing well overall and IIRC P6 was a thing even before UCF rose to national prominence; however, it doesn't change the fact that while most AAC fans acknowledge out that P6 is a branding gimmick, you do see many claim that they're legitimately a power conference that should get a NY6 auto-bid on the basis of their schools and programs. That's where it's wrong, and I'll die on that hill.

Why? I genuinely don't understand why the P6 stuff gets people so bent out of shape. I can sort of understand why a Texas Tech or and an Iowa St. fan would get annoyed by it, but whether or not the American is ever recognized as a "power conference" really shouldn't matter to the other G5 schools. People act like the whole P5-G5 thing is some unchanging thing, when the terms didn't even exist like 6-7 years ago.

Perhaps the truth is that the AAC is better than the rest of the G5 and just a little below the bottom of the P5. Maybe we could call them the M1 ( middle 1).

I noticed durting a televised game this season that their sideline first down markers still say "P6" at the top

(10-09-2019 11:13 AM)DICK Wrote:  Perhaps the truth is that the AAC is better than the rest of the G5 and just a little below the bottom of the P5. Maybe we could call them the M1 ( middle 1).

That is the actual message being sent by the AAC. The P6 narrative is not that the AAC is as good as the SEC or B10; but it is better than the rest of the G5.

(10-08-2019 07:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 05:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 03:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

Of course there's still a gulf between what the American is and what the "power" conferences are. However that's never been what the whole P6 moniker was about. It's a marketing gimmick that's actually been quite effective at raising brand awareness. What I was confused at is why OP thinks the AAC has to abandon said gimmick when its having it's best year? We have three teams in the top 25, why does it matter that UCF isnt one of them? I think it actually speaks more to the strength of the league that we could be positioned this well with them having a relatively down year.

He can speak for himself, but if I were to guess it's founded on the logic that without a team as good as UCF the last few years that the P6 thing is dead. I disagree with that logic because to your point the AAC is doing well overall and IIRC P6 was a thing even before UCF rose to national prominence; however, it doesn't change the fact that while most AAC fans acknowledge out that P6 is a branding gimmick, you do see many claim that they're legitimately a power conference that should get a NY6 auto-bid on the basis of their schools and programs. That's where it's wrong, and I'll die on that hill.

Why? I genuinely don't understand why the P6 stuff gets people so bent out of shape. I can sort of understand why a Texas Tech or and an Iowa St. fan would get annoyed by it, but whether or not the American is ever recognized as a "power conference" really shouldn't matter to the other G5 schools. People act like the whole P5-G5 thing is some unchanging thing, when the terms didn't even exist like 6-7 years ago.

I think in a lot of these instances, people from the other G5 conferences are also fans of a school from a P5. Alternatively, they think their program and brand is as good as any school in the AAC.

(10-09-2019 12:27 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-09-2019 11:13 AM)DICK Wrote:  Perhaps the truth is that the AAC is better than the rest of the G5 and just a little below the bottom of the P5. Maybe we could call them the M1 ( middle 1).

That is the actual message being sent by the AAC. The P6 narrative is not that the AAC is as good as the SEC or B10; but it is better than the rest of the G5.

(10-08-2019 07:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 05:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 03:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 07:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It's not about who the best teams on the field are in a given season, its who the best programs are off of it. The ACC may be crap this year, but no one in the AAC has the fan support, institutional structure, revenue sources, etc. of Clemson and FSU football or UNC and Duke basketball. Once UConn leaves the MAC will have more flagships than you. Academically all the power conferences are above you overall.

That doesn't discount the strength you guys have, or the individual capacity of your teams to be part of a power conference. And as someone who works in marketing I admire the PR move. But in real terms, the AAC is not P6.

Of course there's still a gulf between what the American is and what the "power" conferences are. However that's never been what the whole P6 moniker was about. It's a marketing gimmick that's actually been quite effective at raising brand awareness. What I was confused at is why OP thinks the AAC has to abandon said gimmick when its having it's best year? We have three teams in the top 25, why does it matter that UCF isnt one of them? I think it actually speaks more to the strength of the league that we could be positioned this well with them having a relatively down year.

He can speak for himself, but if I were to guess it's founded on the logic that without a team as good as UCF the last few years that the P6 thing is dead. I disagree with that logic because to your point the AAC is doing well overall and IIRC P6 was a thing even before UCF rose to national prominence; however, it doesn't change the fact that while most AAC fans acknowledge out that P6 is a branding gimmick, you do see many claim that they're legitimately a power conference that should get a NY6 auto-bid on the basis of their schools and programs. That's where it's wrong, and I'll die on that hill.

Why? I genuinely don't understand why the P6 stuff gets people so bent out of shape. I can sort of understand why a Texas Tech or and an Iowa St. fan would get annoyed by it, but whether or not the American is ever recognized as a "power conference" really shouldn't matter to the other G5 schools. People act like the whole P5-G5 thing is some unchanging thing, when the terms didn't even exist like 6-7 years ago.

I think in a lot of these instances, people from the other G5 conferences are also fans of a school from a P5. Alternatively, they think their program and brand is as good as any school in the AAC.

If the P6 thing were about showcasing the AAC as the best G5, then you'd call yourselves Middle 1, 'best off the rest', or something catchier.

In my case I'm really only a Miami fan - grew up an Illinois fan due to family and they're probably my favorite off the Big Ten schools, so I suppose you can put me into the 'Texas Tech' group. Miami certainly isn't AAC material anymore, though at one point our football and basketball programs were strong enough to be on par with them.

(10-06-2019 07:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The AAC has won every single game against the G5, save one, this season. I think they’ve demonstrated that they are a cut above the rest.

How has the AAC done in bowl games; when its better teams are playing decent teams from all of the other conferences? Just curious.

(10-11-2019 01:53 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 07:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The AAC has won every single game against the G5, save one, this season. I think they’ve demonstrated that they are a cut above the rest.

How has the AAC done in bowl games; when its better teams are playing decent teams from all of the other conferences? Just curious.

I think you know we've done quite badly. For whatever reason, there's a huge difference between the regular season results and Bowl Game results. Although, 7-8 versus P5/ND/BYU/Army since the conference became the AAC isn't that bad.

(10-08-2019 01:39 AM)Warhawks222 Wrote:  So... since according to this thread, there is no more P6, do the AAC teams have to take that ridiculously arrogant P6 sticker off the backs of their helmets?

Surprised the NCAA even lets them do that, as the NCAA likes to have control over so many petty things.

NCAA didn't create the p5/g5. ESPN did. It'll be up to ESPN to determine if the AAC becomes part of the p6.

If ESPN had their way, there'd be six 10-team conferences, and ESPN would make the schedule. And those 60 teams would only play each other.

ESPN wants AAC to be the “P6” and cut out the rest.
Up until UC beat UCF, ESPN radio was nonstop UCF......
Prior to that it was all Houston.
Now that Houston is blah, they don’t even mention them.

All $$$$$$$ Re: P5 vs G5, not necessarily who is better except for the elite 10-15 programs in all of FBS. The elite 10-15 are in their own “pro bound” world. Look how bad Rutgers is - Rutgers would be bottom tier or close to last in ANY of the 10 major conferences.

(10-12-2019 01:40 PM)JHVMU19 Wrote:  ESPN wants AAC to be the “P6” and cut out the rest.
Up until UC beat UCF, ESPN radio was nonstop UCF......
Prior to that it was all Houston.
Now that Houston is blah, they don’t even mention them.

All $$$$$$$ Re: P5 vs G5, not necessarily who is better except for the elite 10-15 programs in all of FBS. The elite 10-15 are in their own “pro bound” world. Look how bad Rutgers is - Rutgers would be bottom tier or close to last in ANY of the 10 major conferences.

Agree with the bottom part. Probably some truth to the top as well.