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Which school do you think will be the most successful of the new D1 move ins?
Poll here to determine what school you think will be the most successful out of all the D1 move ups in the last couple of years.
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I think it'd depend on the sport quite frankly..
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Cal Baptist. Nice arena and a fan base who's already sold out games. Bellarmine and St Thomas will be in the hunt for autobids too.
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Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.
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(10-04-2019 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.

I think all eight schools are good additions to D1 and the conferences that they are going to. UCSD is great academically and is in a beautiful location. But that alone will not give them a "built-in advantage." The challenge for UCSD at D1 is to continue to find athletes who qualify academically while also raising the overall skill level of their athletic programs. That will not be easy.

I think CBU has the better facilities and not as stringent academic requirements. In the Inland Empire, with a population of 4.5 million, there are only two D1 schools: UCR and CBU. CBU will win that recruiting battle. In their first year at D1, they were the only team in WAC basketball to beat NMSU and in baseball they were conference co-champions. They were also the only NCAA school to beat NMSU in a three-game series.

In basketball, CBU went 4-3 in basketball against UCSD in their brief stay at D2. The games were all close. CBU has improved at D1 and will get better. That is the challenge that UCSD faces at D1.
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(10-05-2019 07:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Hint that some Lone Star schools to join Tarleton.

I wouldn't mind seeing West Texas A&M return to D1. They probably should have stayed at the 1-AA level when they dropped down years ago. It's the only thing happening in the greater Amarillo area. They seem like a good fit for the WAC institutionally and geographically.

Of course, Seattle is becoming an increasing outlier both institutionally and geographically. If they could find just a little success, they could probably make themselves a much stronger candidate for the WCC.
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I like Dixie State’s potential. The school is “the only game in town” in the St. George metro area which is one of the country’s fastest growing and which is packed with retirees who might be willing to spend some time and money watching and supporting a D-I program. Also back when Dixie State and Grand Canyon were together in the PacWest they were the two top competitors in most sports.
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St Thomas if they build a nice rink/arena has great potential.
Their current 1000/2400 seat facilities are a little light.
They could justify fixing both with one nice mid sized building.
With the current facilities they are limited adding capacity to both might be possible I think facilities is the key for them.
Pioneer football is perfect for them nice five thousand seat stadium.
Compete with some high level schools like Dayton and Georgetown.
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(10-05-2019 04:25 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.

I think all eight schools are good additions to D1 and the conferences that they are going to. UCSD is great academically and is in a beautiful location. But that alone will not give them a "built-in advantage." The challenge for UCSD at D1 is to continue to find athletes who qualify academically while also raising the overall skill level of their athletic programs. That will not be easy.

I think CBU has the better facilities and not as stringent academic requirements. In the Inland Empire, with a population of 4.5 million, there are only two D1 schools: UCR and CBU. CBU will win that recruiting battle. In their first year at D1, they were the only team in WAC basketball to beat NMSU and in baseball they were conference co-champions. They were also the only NCAA school to beat NMSU in a three-game series.

In basketball, CBU went 4-3 in basketball against UCSD in their brief stay at D2. The games were all close. CBU has improved at D1 and will get better. That is the challenge that UCSD faces at D1.

I don't know if it will pay off, but UCR's now recruiting Texas, Australia and New Zealand hard. There's room for them and Cal Baptist both to thrive.
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(10-04-2019 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.

You do realize that other California schools will be impacted by UCSD's recruiting too, right? Cal, SJSU, Fresno and especially SDSU.
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(10-06-2019 04:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.

You do realize that other California schools will be impacted by UCSD's recruiting too, right? Cal, SJSU, Fresno and especially SDSU.

Yes, they'll be competitive for recruits, and IMO the programs most impacted will be the non-UC D-I schools and the private colleges (eg WCC schools), in the sports in which UC San Diego is successful and has good coaches.
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(10-06-2019 04:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 04:25 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 11:23 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Right, depends on whether you define success by one particular sport, or the athletic department as a whole, or the perceived status of the conference that the school is joining, etc.

St. Thomas can be successful across Olympic sports in the Summit League as long as they find ways to cover the college costs of their athletes who are not on full athletic scholarships. It's the same issues that Denver has -- advantage of being in a major city, disadvantage of being a very expensive private university in a conference where nearly every other school is a public university that is much more affordable for athletes receiving only partial scholarships. St. Thomas will probably be very competitive right away in Pioneer League football.

UC San Diego should have built-in advantages in recruiting for "Olympic" sports in the Big West because many of the athletes that are typically recruited for those sports will be attracted to the school's academic reputation. (So will their parents.) For the university, the important thing is that (given they'll never have a football team) they'll be in their first-choice athletic conference. They might be the only school on your list that can say that.

The programs joining the WAC have the advantage of going into a wide-open league where no one has a dominant athletic program and no one except Grand Canyon can overwhelm them by outspending everyone else.

I think all eight schools are good additions to D1 and the conferences that they are going to. UCSD is great academically and is in a beautiful location. But that alone will not give them a "built-in advantage." The challenge for UCSD at D1 is to continue to find athletes who qualify academically while also raising the overall skill level of their athletic programs. That will not be easy.

I think CBU has the better facilities and not as stringent academic requirements. In the Inland Empire, with a population of 4.5 million, there are only two D1 schools: UCR and CBU. CBU will win that recruiting battle. In their first year at D1, they were the only team in WAC basketball to beat NMSU and in baseball they were conference co-champions. They were also the only NCAA school to beat NMSU in a three-game series.

In basketball, CBU went 4-3 in basketball against UCSD in their brief stay at D2. The games were all close. CBU has improved at D1 and will get better. That is the challenge that UCSD faces at D1.

I don't know if it will pay off, but UCR's now recruiting Texas, Australia and New Zealand hard. There's room for them and Cal Baptist both to thrive.

Rick Croy at CBU and the UCR coach, David Patrick, both coached at St. Mary's under Randy Bennett. They both have the Australian Connection. CBU has better facilities. They have their new $73 million dollar arena. UCR has their Rec Center. CBU averaged 3,075 fans in their first season. UCR averaged 630 fans last season. While there is room for both to thrive, UCR needs to invest money in their facilities. CBU has and still is.
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UCSD is going to be attractive to recruits and their parents simply because they are a UC.
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Even though I started the poll, I say St. Thomas will be the most successful move up. There are so many high schools in Minnesota and only 1 D1 in most of the big sports.
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(10-08-2019 07:53 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Even though I started the poll, I say St. Thomas will be the most successful move up. There are so many high schools in Minnesota and only 1 D1 in most of the big sports.

Can they reach FBS and eventually overtake Minnesota?
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I see Bellarmine is getting shafted in the voting even though they have the most success at the DII level. They are my choice to be the most successful of the new call-ups.
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UCSD. They have the best built-in recruiting advantages of any school that's ever moved up to D-1.

They have the best recruiting line for nearly any 18 year old in the country: "You'll get to live in La Jolla for free for 4 years."

And they have one of the top-10 recruiting lines for any parent of an 18-year old: "Your kid will get a degree that's just as good as UNC, Michigan, or UCLA."
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(10-14-2019 04:58 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  I see Bellarmine is getting shafted in the voting even though they have the most success at the DII level. They are my choice to be the most successful of the new call-ups.

All of these schools, except Merrimack, have the potential to do well. This batch is stronger than the days of Umass Lowell and Houston Baptist.
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(10-14-2019 05:14 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  UCSD. They have the best built-in recruiting advantages of any school that's ever moved up to D-1.

They have the best recruiting line for nearly any 18 year old in the country: "You'll get to live in La Jolla for free for 4 years."

And they have one of the top-10 recruiting lines for any parent of an 18-year old: "Your kid will get a degree that's just as good as UNC, Michigan, or UCLA."

SDSU will regret letting them move up.
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(10-14-2019 05:14 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  UCSD. They have the best built-in recruiting advantages of any school that's ever moved up to D-1.

They have the best recruiting line for nearly any 18 year old in the country: "You'll get to live in La Jolla for free for 4 years."

And they have one of the top-10 recruiting lines for any parent of an 18-year old: "Your kid will get a degree that's just as good as UNC, Michigan, or UCLA."

I cannot not agree with that. Yes, UCSD is in a beautiful location and academically they are very good. But "the best built-in recruiting advantages of any school that's ever moved up to D-1?" No, I don't think so. You could say you get to live in Santa Barbara or Malibu. The university of San Diego has a beautiful campus. There are number of beautiful places to go to school at, with good academics.

Kids decide on the school that is best for them. If a kid a has a baseball scholarship offer to both Cal State Fullerton and UCSD, which one does he choose? I suspect that he will decide to go to CSUF. Kids will go to a school that gives them the best opportunity to develop and in this example, get to the majors.

If I had an athletic scholarship to both UCSB or UCSD, I think I have got to go with Santa Barbara. That is a beautiful campus. UCSD is going to need to invest in facilities to keep up with the other schools. I think they were a very good addition to the Big West, but I just don't see them having an advantage just because they are in La Jolla.
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