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NCAA Prez Mark Emmert Speaks on California Fair Play Act
"The biggest worry is that when you have complete unfettered licensing agreements or unfettered endorsement deals, the model of college athletics is negligible at best and maybe doesn't even exist," he said. "Those deals would be arranged with support or engagement of school... so they do become professional employees of schools. That is what most member schools are concerned about, not that people are opposed to have an appropriate way to get some form of (compensation for athletes).

"We really need to get to a place where it becomes clear to everyone, especially to young men and women who play sports and their families, there needs to be a clear choice," Emmert said. "If you want to be a professional athlete, there ought to be those opportunities. If you look at baseball, for example, a young man at 18 can go out and be a professional baseball player. He can say, 'I can go here or I can go to college and if I go to college I can live by those rules. And then everybody goes by those rules. If he goes to launch his life, he can say, 'I'm not going to get an education, I'm not going to go to campus, I'm not going to play in the College World Series. And that's a free choice they can make."


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He is right. Even high school wrestlers could go to a pro-wrestling school to become a pro-wrestler on the Indy circuit before going on to AEW, WEE, NWA, TNA or Ring of Honor.
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(10-03-2019 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  "The biggest worry is that when you have complete unfettered licensing agreements or unfettered endorsement deals, the model of college athletics is negligible at best and maybe doesn't even exist," he said. "Those deals would be arranged with support or engagement of school... so they do become professional employees of schools. That is what most member schools are concerned about, not that people are opposed to have an appropriate way to get some form of (compensation for athletes).

"We really need to get to a place where it becomes clear to everyone, especially to young men and women who play sports and their families, there needs to be a clear choice," Emmert said. "If you want to be a professional athlete, there ought to be those opportunities. If you look at baseball, for example, a young man at 18 can go out and be a professional baseball player. He can say, 'I can go here or I can go to college and if I go to college I can live by those rules. And then everybody goes by those rules. If he goes to launch his life, he can say, 'I'm not going to get an education, I'm not going to go to campus, I'm not going to play in the College World Series. And that's a free choice they can make."


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That's a false argument. We're talking solely about football and basketball. In those two sports, athletes can't skip college and go straight to the pros, as they can in baseball.

Colleges take in billions in football and basketball. Those two sports fund everything else. Yet they still don't want to even let a few top athletes get paid for local commercials. That's asinine.

Emmert is also arguing that the colleges have to administer the payments, and thus they become employees, blah blah blah...no, they can just earn outside income like any other student does when he gets a job. The colleges don't administer those earnings, lol.
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(10-04-2019 01:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  "The biggest worry is that when you have complete unfettered licensing agreements or unfettered endorsement deals, the model of college athletics is negligible at best and maybe doesn't even exist," he said. "Those deals would be arranged with support or engagement of school... so they do become professional employees of schools. That is what most member schools are concerned about, not that people are opposed to have an appropriate way to get some form of (compensation for athletes).

"We really need to get to a place where it becomes clear to everyone, especially to young men and women who play sports and their families, there needs to be a clear choice," Emmert said. "If you want to be a professional athlete, there ought to be those opportunities. If you look at baseball, for example, a young man at 18 can go out and be a professional baseball player. He can say, 'I can go here or I can go to college and if I go to college I can live by those rules. And then everybody goes by those rules. If he goes to launch his life, he can say, 'I'm not going to get an education, I'm not going to go to campus, I'm not going to play in the College World Series. And that's a free choice they can make."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...850522002/

That's a false argument. We're talking solely about football and basketball. In those two sports, athletes can't skip college and go straight to the pros, as they can in baseball.

Colleges take in billions in football and basketball. Those two sports fund everything else. Yet they still don't want to even let a few top athletes get paid for local commercials. That's asinine.

Emmert is also arguing that the colleges have to administer the payments, and thus they become employees, blah blah blah...no, they can just earn outside income like any other student does when he gets a job. The colleges don't administer those earnings, lol.

Just trying to save his worthless job. If it was not for the NCAA so called student athlete that colleges make money from, he would not even have a job.
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I can already see some kid getting $1 million to do 1 billboard ad or only 1 30 sec TV ad.
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The tone-deafness served with a side of arrogance.
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(10-04-2019 07:46 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  The tone-deafness served with a side of arrogance.

Yes, as "Sierra" said, if the "college model" is amateur, how on earth does Mark Emmert have a job with a $2.5m annual salary? Why isn't he a volunteer, like a dad who coaches a town little league team?

The model he refers to is fully professional for the schools, amateur only for the players.
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The NBA is relaxing their draft rules again in 2021 I think, so that problem is basically going away.

The big issue is that the NFL (with very, very few exceptions) just isn't interested in 18-21 year olds.
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(10-04-2019 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I can already see some kid getting $1 million to do 1 billboard ad or only 1 30 sec TV ad.

OK, let's say you're correct, that there really is no valid name/likeness market for college athletes, so there will be a lot of sham situations where a player gets a wad of cash from a business or booster ostensibly for his likeness, but it's really a recruit signing bonus, or a payment to make sure he doesn't transfer to another school.

So what? If the value in a athlete is that he come to our school and play for us, and him coming is worth $200,000 or whatever to the boosters, why shouldn't he be able to capture that value?
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(10-04-2019 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 07:46 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  The tone-deafness served with a side of arrogance.

Yes, as "Sierra" said, if the "college model" is amateur, how on earth does Mark Emmert have a job with a $2.5m annual salary? Why isn't he a volunteer, like a dad who coaches a town little league team?

The model he refers to is fully professional for the schools, amateur only for the players.

Lol, its hypocrisy bordering on evil.
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Why do people, including Emmett, keep trying to paint athletes as school employees? They are independent contractors of the 3rd party and their earnings should be reported on a 1099 not a W-2.
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(10-04-2019 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 07:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I can already see some kid getting $1 million to do 1 billboard ad or only 1 30 sec TV ad.

OK, let's say you're correct, that there really is no valid name/likeness market for college athletes, so there will be a lot of sham situations where a player gets a wad of cash from a business or booster ostensibly for his likeness, but it's really a recruit signing bonus, or a payment to make sure he doesn't transfer to another school.

So what? If the value in a athlete is that he come to our school and play for us, and him coming is worth $200,000 or whatever to the boosters, why shouldn't he be able to capture that value?

In other words, why shouldn’t we make what SMU got the death penalty for legal? Let me flip the question—if the schools want to have an amateur league with competitive balance where booster don’t have undue influence, why can’t they? To the best of my knowledge—not a single player has ever been forced to play for a school. In fact, these kids show up in droves to camps where they PAY just to be seen by coaches in the hopes they will be recruited. The model has resulted in a successful product that’s been a useful tool for getting many kids an education they may not have received otherwise. Let’s keep in mind that only a tiny percentage of these kids go on to be pro athletes. Most college athletes will make their living off the degree they earn—not their athletic ability.
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i know this is an unpopular opinion but I m going to share it anyway. The kids that will really benefit from this arrangement are already getting FREE room, board and education. How much does it cost to go to a school like Stanford or as an out of state student to Cal? A better law IMO would be to prevent schools and others from using images of the athletes for profit.
does anyone really believe that a star FB or BB recruit is going to get a job at the local grocery store making $5 an hour?
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This is the strategy the NCAA should be utilizing. They need to continually beat the drum that the NFL and NBA are the bad guys. Why are they limiting the opportunities of 18 year olds?
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(10-04-2019 09:30 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  i know this is an unpopular opinion but I m going to share it anyway. The kids that will really benefit from this arrangement are already getting FREE room, board and education. How much does it cost to go to a school like Stanford or as an out of state student to Cal? A better law IMO would be to prevent schools and others from using images of the athletes for profit.
does anyone really believe that a star FB or BB recruit is going to get a job at the local grocery store making $5 an hour?

I have always been for the Baseball model for all sports. 18 NFL can decide if it wants to put these playes on a practice squad, CFL, Arena or XFL if it can make it through more than one season. I get cost of living, but with Title IX, there will be some way this will be made to match the whatever football players for women sports. I just see a cluster F@@K occuring any time the gov't forces into areas that they have no clue.
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(10-04-2019 09:30 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  i know this is an unpopular opinion but I m going to share it anyway. The kids that will really benefit from this arrangement are already getting FREE room, board and education. How much does it cost to go to a school like Stanford or as an out of state student to Cal? A better law IMO would be to prevent schools and others from using images of the athletes for profit.
does anyone really believe that a star FB or BB recruit is going to get a job at the local grocery store making $5 an hour?

Exactly. The kids ARE receiving significant compensation. Tuition and living expenses at a state school runs around 20-30K a year---more at many private schools. Many students are graduating with over $100K in student debt. So, lets not pretend the scholarship is worthless. That said, I do believe they should be some sort of stipend or revenue sharing that gives them a little spending money/earnings over and above the scholarship. As Ive said before, I think it should be a group NCAA players revenue pool for each sport that is divided evenly among all the players of that sport. If the sport makes little revenue--there wont be much money in that sports NCAA shared players pool. If the sport generates significant revenue--there will be a nice little stream of monthly checks for those players. Basically, such a system gives the players a share of the revenue with altering the current competitive balance or general character of the college game.

As for name and likeness---I would like to see the current NCAA rules stay in place with the following exception---

1) Olympic athletes who also play college sports are exempt from the current name and likeness rule.
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NBA G-League is a professional league players can join beginning at age 18. The problem is it is more competitive as you have players who are borderline NBA players, players who have been drafted by a NBA team but haven't made the 15-man active roster, and local tryouts. There are more D1 universities at which to play, making it easier to get a spot somewhere--but you have to be amateur to play there. Saying there is no opportunity or that the NCAA must provide you that opportunity is false.

The NFL on the other hand only wants the best of the best--not an up and comer who would be sitting on the sidelines or on a practice squad not developing behind the real pros.
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(10-04-2019 09:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 09:30 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  i know this is an unpopular opinion but I m going to share it anyway. The kids that will really benefit from this arrangement are already getting FREE room, board and education. How much does it cost to go to a school like Stanford or as an out of state student to Cal? A better law IMO would be to prevent schools and others from using images of the athletes for profit.
does anyone really believe that a star FB or BB recruit is going to get a job at the local grocery store making $5 an hour?

I have always been for the Baseball model for all sports. 18 NFL can decide if it wants to put these playes on a practice squad, CFL, Arena or XFL if it can make it through more than one season. I get cost of living, but with Title IX, there will be some way this will be made to match the whatever football players for women sports. I just see a cluster F@@K occuring any time the gov't forces into areas that they have no clue.

Exactly. Rather than demand the amateur league become a pro league---why not make the pro leagues stop their age discrimination?
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(10-04-2019 08:06 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 07:46 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  The tone-deafness served with a side of arrogance.

Yes, as "Sierra" said, if the "college model" is amateur, how on earth does Mark Emmert have a job with a $2.5m annual salary? Why isn't he a volunteer, like a dad who coaches a town little league team?

The model he refers to is fully professional for the schools, amateur only for the players.

Lol, its hypocrisy bordering on evil.

This is a bogus argument. Many charities have full-time paid staff. Does that make them unworthy and evil?
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(10-04-2019 09:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-04-2019 09:30 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  i know this is an unpopular opinion but I m going to share it anyway. The kids that will really benefit from this arrangement are already getting FREE room, board and education. How much does it cost to go to a school like Stanford or as an out of state student to Cal? A better law IMO would be to prevent schools and others from using images of the athletes for profit.
does anyone really believe that a star FB or BB recruit is going to get a job at the local grocery store making $5 an hour?

Exactly. The kids ARE receiving significant compensation. Tuition and living expenses at a state school runs around 20-30K a year---more at many private schools. Many students are graduating with over $100K in student debt. So, lets not pretend the scholarship is worthless. That said, I do believe they should be some sort of stipend or revenue sharing that gives them a little spending money/earnings over and above the scholarship. As Ive said before, I think it should be a group NCAA players revenue pool for each sport that is divided evenly among all the players of that sport. If the sport makes little revenue--there wont be much money in that sports NCAA shared players pool. If the sport generates significant revenue--there will be a nice little stream of monthly checks for those players. Basically, such a system gives the players a share of the revenue with altering the current competitive balance or general character of the college game.

As for name and likeness---I would like to see the current NCAA rules stay in place with the following exception---

1) Olympic athletes who also play college sports are exempt from the current name and likeness rule.

Show me the rule that says people who are going to college on academic scholarships are not allowed to make money.
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