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(10-04-2019 08:30 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
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(10-04-2019 06:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  I imagine their 2020 schedule will look more like a transitional FCS to FBS schedule than a program that is leaving a conference to become Independent. This is mainly because they are rushing to the Big East and have accepted this fate. I could see four FCS schools, which will essentially make them ineligible for a bowl, but they might actually have a good season and spark some interest.

They’re big boys, they’ll be fine.

The problem is that they need 5 home games, and only one of those can be against an FCS school. That's aside from the bowl eligibility rule. So they'd be paying FCS schools to come to their stadium for no reason (beyond the first), or they'd be going to FCS stadiums, which also has no point.

I don't think the 5 home/one against FCS thing will really matter. I'm sure the NCAA will give them a one year waiver for pretty much whatever schedule they come up with for 2020 and maybe 2021. They aren't going to go through the hassle of kicking a school out.

I took a look at the NCAA's manual, and it looks like the only thing that happens if you play a non-compliant schedule is that the NCAA sends you a sternly-worded letter. The second non-compliant schedule gets you what amounts to probation, during which you have three years to get off probation by putting together a compliant schedule. Unless I read it wrong, it takes a half-decade of non-compliant scheduling to get knocked down to FCS against your will. Any discussion of needing a certain number of FBS home games for next year should probably have the word needs wrapped in quotation marks.

Exactly. I don’t see why people keep on insisting UConn needs to be compliant out of the gates
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(10-08-2019 04:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  We don't know what contracts UConn is working on. I expect a chunk of the schedule will be released in about 2 or 3 weeks.

ODU for example would be a good two game series, one in Connecticut one in Virginia. That their 12th game is not announced is possibly a sign they have a deal with UConn already.

We'll just have to wait to see what it looks like. But I think we can assume a revenue game late season against an SEC or ACC school, and probably a real hodgepodge of 4 G5 schools, possibly a 2nd FCS school. It wont be a great schedule, and 2021 will only be marginally better. But when we get a year down the road we'll see 2022, 2023 and 2024 starting to look like decent schedules.

I am expecting an ugly 2020 schedule.

All the 2020 SEC schedules are already set
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(10-08-2019 04:42 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
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(10-08-2019 03:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
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(10-08-2019 01:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious how the NCAA would feel if UConn made very little attempt to be compliant in 2020.

Let’s say they get a maybe 2 more FBS schools to visit them, plus a couple money games, and then a slew of road games at FCS schools in 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 deals in order to bank FCS opponents in the future that they won’t have to pay for since payment has already been rendered in the form of an away game in 2020.

Do they get a stern letter from the NCAA or are there real consequences?

They might as well just drop to FCS if that's their plan.

They’d only be non-compliant for a year, not permanently.

If they are playing at FCS schools so they don't have to pay the guarantee then they might as well go back to FCS.

I don’t think you’re getting the point. Doing a 2 for 1 with the 1 being in a year you already know you aren’t going to be compliant saves them probably 1-1.2 million in the future.

That’s a pretty nice deal.

Right and also completely sales your football team up the river. Recruits will look at it as a ***** move, fans won't want season tickets to (or gameday tickets) to the weaksauce schedule yo're putting together and nobody is donating to a FB program that a school clearly doesn't care about to that degree.

I understand that the move to the BE wasa BB move and their fans seem OK with that but if you're not even going to try to be an FBS program then just pick up the phone and call the CAA. URI, Maine, Villanova play FB there. Less scholly's. Less scheduling headache.
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First posted about a month ago. Still works.
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They will probably announce it all at once. Make it a big media announcement. My guess it will be an acceptable heavy G5 schedule. My prediction.

There are a limited amount of schools that still have an opening that would play an away game at UConn. Most leftover openings at this point are held for a home game against an FCS school. The only schools that I found that have an opening and would play an away game are: ODU, Nevada and UNLV.
Nevada, UNLV, NMSU and Boise State are still allowed to schedule a 13th game since they play at Hawaii. Therefore:

Wk 0:..... @ Boise State..... (playing UConn is better than FCS)
Wk 1:..... UMass ........ (since playing week 0, move the game from Thursday back to Friday or Sat)
9/12:..... @Illinois
9/19:..... ODU............ (works for ODU, move Maine back 4 weeks)
9/26:..... Indiana
10/03:... Bye
10/10:... @UAB ............
10/17:... Maine.............. (instead of 9/19)
10/24:... @ Virginia Tech .... (could be VT's homecoming game)
10/31:... Bye
11/07:... Nevada or UNLV.... (both get a 13th game)
11/14:... @ Liberty.............. (Liberty would like this and move Western Carolina to 2023)
11/21:... Nevada or UNLV .... (both get a 13th game)
11/28:... @NMSU................ (NMSU is allowed a 13th game)

6 Home and 6 Away. Not bad.

Schools that might take a home game with UConn: Air Force, Southern Miss. But the dates don't work as well as with Boise St, UAB, VT, Liberty and NMSU.
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(10-08-2019 06:21 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  First posted about a month ago. Still works.
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They will probably announce it all at once. Make it a big media announcement. My guess it will be an acceptable heavy G5 schedule. My prediction.

There are a limited amount of schools that still have an opening that would play an away game at UConn. Most leftover openings at this point are held for a home game against an FCS school. The only schools that I found that have an opening and would play an away game are: ODU, Nevada and UNLV.
Nevada, UNLV, NMSU and Boise State are still allowed to schedule a 13th game since they play at Hawaii. Therefore:

Wk 0:..... @ Boise State..... (playing UConn is better than FCS)
Wk 1:..... UMass ........ (since playing week 0, move the game from Thursday back to Friday or Sat)
9/12:..... @Illinois
9/19:..... ODU............ (works for ODU, move Maine back 4 weeks)
9/26:..... Indiana
10/03:... Bye
10/10:... @UAB ............
10/17:... Maine.............. (instead of 9/19)
10/24:... @ Virginia Tech .... (could be VT's homecoming game)
10/31:... Bye
11/07:... Nevada or UNLV.... (both get a 13th game)
11/14:... @ Liberty.............. (Liberty would like this and move Western Carolina to 2023)
11/21:... Nevada or UNLV .... (both get a 13th game)
11/28:... @NMSU................ (NMSU is allowed a 13th game)

6 Home and 6 Away. Not bad.

Schools that might take a home game with UConn: Air Force, Southern Miss. But the dates don't work as well as with Boise St, UAB, VT, Liberty and NMSU.

I should note that most of the teams that play at Hawaii haven't scheduled a 13th game -- I'm guessing they feel the cost and/or the wear and tear wouldn't be worth it. So it seems unlikely that they'll add another game just for UConn's sake (especially not an away game).
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(10-08-2019 06:21 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  First posted about a month ago. Still works.
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They will probably announce it all at once. Make it a big media announcement. My guess it will be an acceptable heavy G5 schedule. My prediction.

There are a limited amount of schools that still have an opening that would play an away game at UConn. Most leftover openings at this point are held for a home game against an FCS school. The only schools that I found that have an opening and would play an away game are: ODU, Nevada and UNLV.
Nevada, UNLV, NMSU and Boise State are still allowed to schedule a 13th game since they play at Hawaii. Therefore:

Wk 0:..... @ Boise State..... (playing UConn is better than FCS)
Wk 1:..... UMass ........ (since playing week 0, move the game from Thursday back to Friday or Sat)
9/12:..... @Illinois
9/19:..... ODU............ (works for ODU, move Maine back 4 weeks)
9/26:..... Indiana
10/03:... Bye
10/10:... @UAB ............
10/17:... Maine.............. (instead of 9/19)
10/24:... @ Virginia Tech .... (could be VT's homecoming game)
10/31:... Bye
11/07:... Nevada or UNLV.... (both get a 13th game)
11/14:... @ Liberty.............. (Liberty would like this and move Western Carolina to 2023)
11/21:... Nevada or UNLV .... (both get a 13th game)
11/28:... @NMSU................ (NMSU is allowed a 13th game)

6 Home and 6 Away. Not bad.

Schools that might take a home game with UConn: Air Force, Southern Miss. But the dates don't work as well as with Boise St, UAB, VT, Liberty and NMSU.

Problem is that UConn doesn't have a contractual right to those weeks. Every OOC game is scheduled through a negotiation.

And everyone on that schedule know that UConn is desperate in 2020. That's not a lot of negotiating leverage. That schedule relies on almost all of those schools doing a favor for UConn.

For example, Nevada could schedule @UConn on 11/7. But why would they schedule a 3rd Eastern Time Zone away game (they already play @Penn State and @USF)? It's not going to be because UConn said, "pretty please." What will UConn give Nevada to entice Nevada to do a big favor for UConn?
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How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.
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(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Actually those are pretty onerous terms without UConn paying anything.

To make that work, we'd have to get buy-in from our TV partners. I doubt that the TV partners assign any value to UConn football. But if ESPN is willing to pay the AAC pro-rata for 4 extra games, then I'd say that's a good deal for us.
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(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Why would UConn do that?
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(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Is making UConn purchase lifetime subscriptions to ESPN+ for the entire AAC a deal-breaker???
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(10-09-2019 02:49 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Is making UConn purchase lifetime subscriptions to ESPN+ for the entire AAC a deal-breaker???

Not if they are desperate. I think they should also add the condition that Uconn’s Football team may only be equipped with basketball apparel for football games against AAC programs seeing as that is their priority.
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(10-09-2019 02:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:49 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Is making UConn purchase lifetime subscriptions to ESPN+ for the entire AAC a deal-breaker???

Not if they are desperate. I think they should also add the condition that Uconn’s Football team may only be equipped with basketball apparel for football games against AAC programs seeing as that is their priority.

I don't totally get the idea that a school is desperate to remain in a conference with which they just reached an agreement to pay extra in order to leave early.
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(10-09-2019 03:23 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:49 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Is making UConn purchase lifetime subscriptions to ESPN+ for the entire AAC a deal-breaker???

Not if they are desperate. I think they should also add the condition that Uconn’s Football team may only be equipped with basketball apparel for football games against AAC programs seeing as that is their priority.

I don't totally get the idea that a school is desperate to remain in a conference with which they just reached an agreement to pay extra in order to leave early.

Actually you are right - it's ridiculous. Other than any school that might want to schedule UConn down the road for FB OOC if it survives as an independent, or if it survives as an FCS school (if it survives at all), the AAC owes it nothing scheduling wise once the last Olympic Sport is played in spring of 2020. As of now the only school I see scheduling UConn is Temple for regional play, though some USF fans have said USF might be interested. UConn should not count on Navy that much as they only have one OOC game to schedule per year with Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame on their OOC schedule annually. 07-coffee3
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(10-09-2019 03:23 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 02:49 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 01:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How much would UConn have to pay the AAC to stay on the schedule for 2020? I’m thinking AAC gets tv rights for UConn home conference games, UConn has to cover travel expenses for all 4 AAC teams that visit, UConn gets zero AAC revenue, UConn does not get access to AAC bowls and cannot officially win their division or participate in the CCG. On top of that I think they still would be expected to pay some.

Is making UConn purchase lifetime subscriptions to ESPN+ for the entire AAC a deal-breaker???

Not if they are desperate. I think they should also add the condition that Uconn’s Football team may only be equipped with basketball apparel for football games against AAC programs seeing as that is their priority.

I don't totally get the idea that a school is desperate to remain in a conference with which they just reached an agreement to pay extra in order to leave early.

Well, from the outside, UConn football is in a position where they need to be desperate to do SOMETHING. They're 10 months out from the start of a football season where they're short 8 games. By SMUfan's math (I haven't checked his math), it's still possible mathematically for UConn to put together an FBS schedule, but just barely.

So they need to do something drastic--beg and buy their way into a conference, beg and buy their way into breaking existing-game contracts, schedule a bunch of FCS schools and take the hit for a "noncompliant FBS schedule", shut down the football program at the end of the season.

Maybe things are happening in secret, but right now UConn's 2020 football schedule is looking like the preparations for the Fyre Festival.

And in less than 60 days, you're going to send the coaches (either the coaches of the 1-11 or 2-10 disaster team you have, or a new bunch that couldn't get better jobs than this dumpster fire) out to recruit players who have a 50-50 shot to be the last UConn FBS team, or last UConn football team.

I don't see why a player chooses UConn over Buffalo or Temple or FIU or Eastern Michigan, or even Stony Brook or Albany.
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(10-10-2019 07:07 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Well, from the outside, UConn football is in a position where they need to be desperate to do SOMETHING.

Or what? Absolute worst-case scenario is something like they go out and get some FCS buy games against, like, NEC and Pioneer league teams to round out a home schedule, play like 9 games with 6 of them being FCS opponents. I don't mean "worst reasonable outcome", I mean they literally don't get any additional FBS opponents for next year. That happens and the NCAA tells them not to do it again, and you move on to the next season.
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(10-10-2019 07:53 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 07:07 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Well, from the outside, UConn football is in a position where they need to be desperate to do SOMETHING.

Or what? Absolute worst-case scenario is something like they go out and get some FCS buy games against, like, NEC and Pioneer league teams to round out a home schedule, play like 9 games with 6 of them being FCS opponents. I don't mean "worst reasonable outcome", I mean they literally don't get any additional FBS opponents for next year. That happens and the NCAA tells them not to do it again, and you move on to the next season.

Buying a half-dozen FCS games on short notice is pretty desperate.

(And "don't get any additional FBS opponents" is on the lower end of "reasonably plausible outcomes." In the vast majority of the country, UConn football doesn't put butts in seats when they come to town, nobody's scheduling games in Hartford for the rich recruiting grounds, nobody has a long rivalry with UConn football).

I think "play a hybrid FBS/FCS schedule in 2020" is a Fyre Fest level disaster. It might get better after that--or it might get worse, as schools are reluctant to get stuck dealing with an FBS OOC game going away
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(10-10-2019 07:53 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 07:07 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Well, from the outside, UConn football is in a position where they need to be desperate to do SOMETHING.

Or what? Absolute worst-case scenario is something like they go out and get some FCS buy games against, like, NEC and Pioneer league teams to round out a home schedule, play like 9 games with 6 of them being FCS opponents. I don't mean "worst reasonable outcome", I mean they literally don't get any additional FBS opponents for next year. That happens and the NCAA tells them not to do it again, and you move on to the next season.

Thats what I suspect will happen. They have 4 games. They will pay to have a couple of currently scheduled games cancelled so those teams can schedule UConn instead. Do that twice and you net 4 games. That gives UConn 8 games. Maybe they find a random opening to grab another FBS game or two---and then they fill in with FCS games from there. Maybe UConn ends up with 3-5 FCS games next year. So what? Other than making it difficult to make a bowl and a nasty attendance drop, I dont see how there would be any significant repercussions as long as the Huskies immediately get back to a normal schedule in 2021 that conforms with NCAA requirements.
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(10-10-2019 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think "play a hybrid FBS/FCS schedule in 2020" is a Fyre Fest level disaster.

They're playing single-win seasons in front of four-figure crowds. The football situation was a mess inside the AAC and will likely continue to be, regardless of affiliation, for a couple more seasons at least. Relative to that, I just don't see a couple extra games against Delaware and Elon as some looming catastrophe.
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(10-10-2019 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Buying a half-dozen FCS games on short notice is pretty desperate.

FCS game contracts are often not locked up years in advance like most FBS non-con game contracts, so the lead time is no big deal. The question is how many FCS opponents UConn will have.

You're right that people in CFB will start thinking that UConn is getting ready to move football to FCS if they don't make a definite announcement about 2020 scheduling before the end of the 2019 football season.
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(10-10-2019 09:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 07:53 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-10-2019 07:07 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Well, from the outside, UConn football is in a position where they need to be desperate to do SOMETHING.

Or what? Absolute worst-case scenario is something like they go out and get some FCS buy games against, like, NEC and Pioneer league teams to round out a home schedule, play like 9 games with 6 of them being FCS opponents. I don't mean "worst reasonable outcome", I mean they literally don't get any additional FBS opponents for next year. That happens and the NCAA tells them not to do it again, and you move on to the next season.

Thats what I suspect will happen. They have 4 games. They will pay to have a couple of currently scheduled games cancelled so those teams can schedule UConn instead.

We say this, but we're pretty deep in the weeds on UConn scheduling, etc. We say this, because we've gotten used to that idea. But I have a reality check question.

When's the last time a school did that? Bought out both ends of a scheduled game, and played both teams?
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