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Goal: 12 schools; simply replace UConn with one all sports member.
Goal: 12 schools; replace UConn with 1 FB & 1 non FB member
Goal: 14 schools; add 3 full members
Goal: 14 schools; add 3 FB & 3 non-FB members
Goal: 14 FB & 14 non-FB schools in any combination
Goal: 15 schools, like the ACC
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(10-03-2019 06:35 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I am a fan of trying to build a national P6 by extending full invites to AFA, Colo St, BYU, and Boise St and football membership to Army.

The service academies, BYU, and Boise St all add a lot of name recognition and having those mountain time zone schools will allow the AAC to play in the late night a lot.

That line up pretty much gives the AAC a stranglehold on the G5 slot as I am doubtful that even an undefeated G4 would be able to unseat a 1 loss AAC champ.


You want to be a power conference and yet you want to add Colorado State!! CSU would be a good UConn type school for football . Check things before posting.


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(10-03-2019 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They aren't adding anyone unless BYU or Army becomes available. Meeting tomorrow, per Cincinnati's AD Tuesday night, to go over scheduling for an 11-team conference going forward.

I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.
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Should stay at 11. But if they had to add a 12th for whatever reason I think Marshall, Rice, App State, UAB and Southern Miss are the only schools that would make sense to me.
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(10-03-2019 10:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They aren't adding anyone unless BYU or Army becomes available. Meeting tomorrow, per Cincinnati's AD Tuesday night, to go over scheduling for an 11-team conference going forward.

I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.

I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
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(10-03-2019 10:48 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Should stay at 11. But if they had to add a 12th for whatever reason I think Marshall, Rice, App State, UAB and Southern Miss are the only schools that would make sense to me.

I suspect none of those could garner enough votes among the membership.
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(10-03-2019 10:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They aren't adding anyone unless BYU or Army becomes available. Meeting tomorrow, per Cincinnati's AD Tuesday night, to go over scheduling for an 11-team conference going forward.

I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.

I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
And that waiver isn't a lock either.
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(10-03-2019 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They aren't adding anyone unless BYU or Army becomes available. Meeting tomorrow, per Cincinnati's AD Tuesday night, to go over scheduling for an 11-team conference going forward.

I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.

I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
And that waiver isn't a lock either.

I think that it is---but regardless---its also not required to continue on as an 11 team league with a CCG.
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(10-03-2019 11:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They aren't adding anyone unless BYU or Army becomes available. Meeting tomorrow, per Cincinnati's AD Tuesday night, to go over scheduling for an 11-team conference going forward.

I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.

I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
And that waiver isn't a lock either.

I think that it is---but regardless---its also not required to continue on as an 11 team league with a CCG.

yeah but then the alternitive if they don't get that waiver is teams in the 5 team division have to have a divisional opponent played twice. That's not attractive in the least.

And a lot of the other conferences see it as a slippery slope.
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Northern Illinois University will not be considered. Dekalb is too small of a market and the school keeps losing students. The school is around 14,000 students right now.

Someone mentioned that Middle Tennessee State University (40 miles from Nashville) is not desirable but Marshall University (West Virginia) is desirable. Wha-? Population matters.

East Carolina University will not block Charlotte or Old Dominion University. Other schools in the conference may.
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(10-03-2019 02:16 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  What we know is this: There is going to be change in the AAC, no matter how closely the AAC Commissioner continues to play the cards to the vest, and no matter how long ESPN remains silent on the matter. The phone has been ringing off the hook in the AAC offices, and some kind of a decision is going to be made, because too much money is on the line, and because ESPN is about to lose a multi-million media market to FoxSports.

The phone is ringing off the hook? Do you have a source or inside information on this? Commissioner Aresco has said publicly that some schools have reached out about their interest to join the league but so far no one has moved the needle. He has also said that there is no rush to add someone at this point so I don't see it happening as fast as you seem to indicate.
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(10-03-2019 11:09 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 02:16 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  What we know is this: There is going to be change in the AAC, no matter how closely the AAC Commissioner continues to play the cards to the vest, and no matter how long ESPN remains silent on the matter. The phone has been ringing off the hook in the AAC offices, and some kind of a decision is going to be made, because too much money is on the line, and because ESPN is about to lose a multi-million media market to FoxSports.

The phone is ringing off the hook? Do you have a source or inside information on this? Commissioner Aresco has said publicly that some schools have reached out about their interest to join the league but so far no one has moved the needle. He has also said that there is no rush to add someone at this point so I don't see it happening as fast as you seem to indicate.


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(10-03-2019 11:09 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 02:16 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  What we know is this: There is going to be change in the AAC, no matter how closely the AAC Commissioner continues to play the cards to the vest, and no matter how long ESPN remains silent on the matter. The phone has been ringing off the hook in the AAC offices, and some kind of a decision is going to be made, because too much money is on the line, and because ESPN is about to lose a multi-million media market to FoxSports.

The phone is ringing off the hook? Do you have a source or inside information on this? Commissioner Aresco has said publicly that some schools have reached out about their interest to join the league but so far no one has moved the needle. He has also said that there is no rush to add someone at this point so I don't see it happening as fast as you seem to indicate.

If the AAC doesn't get the waiver, things will change in a hurry.
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1) Add BYU or Army, but if they turn it down
2) Stay at 11
3) if you had to add someone else to stay at 12, then add Marshall, USM, or maybe UAB. Marshall would be my preference.
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(10-03-2019 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 11:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I know that's the AAC's wish, but no guarantee they're going to get the CCG waiver. If they don't, they're pretty much forced to go to 12.

I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
And that waiver isn't a lock either.

I think that it is---but regardless---its also not required to continue on as an 11 team league with a CCG.

yeah but then the alternitive if they don't get that waiver is teams in the 5 team division have to have a divisional opponent played twice. That's not attractive in the least.

And a lot of the other conferences see it as a slippery slope.

No its not attractive---but its still more appealing than any of the potential replacement candidates.
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(10-03-2019 11:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 11:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 10:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont see that. The worst case scenario is they use unbalanced divisions to place teams in a CCG. You dont need a waiver for that. A waiver is only needed for unbalanced divisions to aid in more balanced scheduling.
And that waiver isn't a lock either.

I think that it is---but regardless---its also not required to continue on as an 11 team league with a CCG.

yeah but then the alternitive if they don't get that waiver is teams in the 5 team division have to have a divisional opponent played twice. That's not attractive in the least.

And a lot of the other conferences see it as a slippery slope.

No its not attractive---but its still more appealing than any of the potential replacement candidates.

It might start hurting the ability to get team into the access bowl though....

And it gets looked at as rather bush league quite frankly. Just don't see it
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(10-03-2019 11:09 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 02:16 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  What we know is this: There is going to be change in the AAC, no matter how closely the AAC Commissioner continues to play the cards to the vest, and no matter how long ESPN remains silent on the matter. The phone has been ringing off the hook in the AAC offices, and some kind of a decision is going to be made, because too much money is on the line, and because ESPN is about to lose a multi-million media market to FoxSports.

The phone is ringing off the hook? Do you have a source or inside information on this? Commissioner Aresco has said publicly that some schools have reached out about their interest to join the league but so far no one has moved the needle. He has also said that there is no rush to add someone at this point so I don't see it happening as fast as you seem to indicate.

If you look at it logically, there are at least 25 schools than likely have reached out to express interest in some way--my sense is probably more. Most any Sunbelt or CUSA school would jump at the chance. Thats 24 schools right there. We know from the press that JMU expressed interest. Liberty, UMass, and NM St almost certainly contacted the league. Thats 29. Its not unthinkable that the some (or all) of the front range MW schools might be sick of Boise's special deal and like the idea of going from 1 million a year to 7 million a year in payout. Its also possible a few MAC schools might have been interested as well---I could definitely see Toledo or Buffalo being interested. So, yeah---I suspect somewhere around 30-35 schools probably have made contact with the AAC.
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(10-03-2019 03:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  The best possible expansion play assuming you can't take from the power 5 would probably be BYU, Boise State and San Diego State all as FB only. And then add no one to the non-football side because you are at 11 which is perfect for round robin scheduling with a 20 game conference schedule. The problem is none of those schools want to join.

I don't know that Boise and SDSU would want to join as a FB only. IMO, a better solution would be to dissolve the AAC and create a new conference. Don't invite Tulane or Tulsa at all, invite ECU and Navy as FB only members and invite BYU, Boise and SDSU as full members. The latter three join Navy, Houston and SMU in a western division. Now you are as close as you could ever hope to come to being acknowledged as a power conference with an autobid to the NY6 (while taking away the G5 autobid).

Don't worry about giving up an NCAAT autobid. Chances are you will always have at least one at large qualifier anyway.

Instead of dissolving, you could allow Tulane and Tulsa to remain in the AAC if they waive all exit penalties from the departing schools. That gives them the opportunity to retain the NCAAT autobid by inviting CUSA schools Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, North Texas, Rice, UTSA and UTEP to backfill to the required 8 members in the new AAC. CUSA still has 8 members, and can stand pat retaining their own autobid as well.
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(10-03-2019 11:26 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 11:09 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 02:16 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  What we know is this: There is going to be change in the AAC, no matter how closely the AAC Commissioner continues to play the cards to the vest, and no matter how long ESPN remains silent on the matter. The phone has been ringing off the hook in the AAC offices, and some kind of a decision is going to be made, because too much money is on the line, and because ESPN is about to lose a multi-million media market to FoxSports.

The phone is ringing off the hook? Do you have a source or inside information on this? Commissioner Aresco has said publicly that some schools have reached out about their interest to join the league but so far no one has moved the needle. He has also said that there is no rush to add someone at this point so I don't see it happening as fast as you seem to indicate.


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I think this assemblage still wants a presence in the NE as a travel partner to Temple and wants to boost its academics so I would take Buffalo but require their stadium to be updated and expanded to 35K. If they can't do that, then you would be looking at a ODU or Toledo.
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Just got off the phone with David and Tarleton State is joining.
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