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RE: Am I the only one who thinks pay for play will be a train wreck?
(10-11-2019 12:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 04:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Athletic Department is not permitted to run as a for-profit business. Therefore, the only way it can capture revenues for its benefit is to generate costs that benefit the AD. Therefore the most successful of them generate small surpluses that are ceremonially handed over to the University to help maintain their freedom, and then in an arms-race process, the less successful run at a loss in an effort to keep up with the Joneses.

Texas and I believe Ohio St. (along with a few others) send much more than "small" amounts over to the university.

I see an article from this year with information from this decade saying OSU generated $145.2m. Of that, between $8m and $9m is transferred to the University general fund. OSU is a University which has total revenues of $7.5b ... so, netting out AD dept. revenues, round down and say $7.3b. That's a gross surplus on the order of 6% for the department which is on the order of 0.12% of University revenue.
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RE: Am I the only one who thinks pay for play will be a train wreck?
(10-18-2019 12:01 AM)chester Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-16-2019 09:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seriously - why do you think that football and hoops players being able to sell their likeness will have a bad effect on say the women's soccer team or the men's baseball team?

I don't see the connection so please help.

Ultimately it leads to pay for play. Then football and basketball suck up all the money.

Why should non-revenue sports be sponsored beyond what Title IX would require when it would come at the expense of those involved in revenue sports?

Agreed. If men's volleyball can't pay for itself, wack it.

No doubt. Somebody, somewhere, might enjoy competitive hopscotch or pillow fighting. Doesn't mean it should be sponsored. There has to be a line of demarcation and the obvious mark is between that which makes money and that which does not.


That means all women's sports will be cut since they all are money drain on universities. That is why Name and Likeness and pay for play could kill all those sports off and some men's sports that do not sell.That is one of the reasons why these laws should be struck down since these are not pro-players.
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RE: Am I the only one who thinks pay for play will be a train wreck?
(10-18-2019 03:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 12:01 AM)chester Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 11:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 11:05 PM)chester Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 07:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  Ultimately it leads to pay for play. Then football and basketball suck up all the money.

Why should non-revenue sports be sponsored beyond what Title IX would require when it would come at the expense of those involved in revenue sports?

Agreed. If men's volleyball can't pay for itself, wack it.

No doubt. Somebody, somewhere, might enjoy competitive hopscotch or pillow fighting. Doesn't mean it should be sponsored. There has to be a line of demarcation and the obvious mark is between that which makes money and that which does not.


That means all women's sports will be cut since they all are money drain on universities. That is why Name and Likeness and pay for play could kill all those sports off and some men's sports that do not sell.That is one of the reasons why these laws should be struck down since these are not pro-players.

That's silly for two reasons. First, as has been said many times, Title IX will prevent women's sports from being cut.

Second, basically what you are saying is that pay for play is not "pro player" because it might lead to the end of a system where football players are underpaid so that funds can be used for soccer and volleyball players. In effect, you endorse exploiting football players so that soccer and volleyball players can leach off them, and ending that would be "not pro player".

Pretty funny. 07-coffee3
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RE: Am I the only one who thinks pay for play will be a train wreck?
California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.
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(10-18-2019 09:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.

FCS, D2, and D3 have no right to feed at the trough of wealth created by FBS players.
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(10-18-2019 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.

FCS, D2, and D3 have no right to feed at the trough of wealth created by FBS players.


But they do at all levels. Without the fees from the FBS schools, it would hurt the championships at all levels. D3 California athletes will now start demanding they get the same as the FBS athletes.
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(10-18-2019 10:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.

FCS, D2, and D3 have no right to feed at the trough of wealth created by FBS players.


But they do at all levels. Without the fees from the FBS schools, it would hurt the championships at all levels. D3 California athletes will now start demanding they get the same as the FBS athletes.

It makes no sense that FBS athletes be exploited to pay for D3 championships.

Amd what will D3 athletes demand? The school can't force some business to hire them for their name or likeness.
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(10-01-2019 07:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Won’t this just set off a giant arms race in which the schools with the richest alums and donors annually buy their alma maters the finest recruits money can buy?

What’s to keep corporate sponsors from raiding rosters to stock their favorite programs?

There’s sure to be strife if it becomes public that Nike or Adidas is providing more salary...oops, I meant endorsements to one of their client schools over another?

Or what’s to say that a school like Alabama demands $5 million in endorsements for recruits in exchange for an outfitter deal?

It's already an arms race. The pecking order won't change much but a lot of the money will go to the players and not as much to palatial locker rooms.
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(10-18-2019 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 10:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.

FCS, D2, and D3 have no right to feed at the trough of wealth created by FBS players.


But they do at all levels. Without the fees from the FBS schools, it would hurt the championships at all levels. D3 California athletes will now start demanding they get the same as the FBS athletes.

It makes no sense that FBS athletes be exploited to pay for D3 championships.

Amd what will D3 athletes demand? The school can't force some business to hire them for their name or likeness.
Not sure any of this impacts Division II or III. Except that maybe some rationality is forced into the NCAA.
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(Yesterday 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 10:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2019 09:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  California's Bills And Other Bills Loom Over D3 And Bowdoin Athletics

As part of the NCAA, D2 and D3 will have problems with these bills being passed. As a whole? NCAA distribute money for championship sports from fees, media, merchandise and other sources. FCS, D2 and D3 could lose money, and money would be less for D3. This is the trainwreck what these bills will cause. These lawmakers do not understand that the NCAA as a whole do not revolved around just for P5 schools, but for 1000 schools in the NCAA as a whole.

FCS, D2, and D3 have no right to feed at the trough of wealth created by FBS players.


But they do at all levels. Without the fees from the FBS schools, it would hurt the championships at all levels. D3 California athletes will now start demanding they get the same as the FBS athletes.

It makes no sense that FBS athletes be exploited to pay for D3 championships.

Amd what will D3 athletes demand? The school can't force some business to hire them for their name or likeness.
Not sure any of this impacts Division II or III. Except that maybe some rationality is forced into the NCAA.

I agree. But some around here are claiming possible negative effects on D2 or D3 as an argument for stopping this.
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