(10-04-2019 11:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the 68 min. mark will put a tear in your eye if you have a soul....

hfs....the 76 min. will get your blood pressure going....

now I fully understand....the 78 min. mark will make one cringe at any capacity of sanity....

The Clinton FBI gave us Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez. The Obama FBI gives us an old man exercising his rights to protest 3 shots in the back while his hands are in the air, he had no priors, and was only seeking the safety of the neighboring sheriffs office before turning himself over to the FBI's version of Special Forces.

They made their mind up to kill him and set up an ambush plain and simple.

And the MSM wrapped it and sold it as a terrorist group. Co conspirators in a murder I'd say. And as the local sheriff pointed out he still rounded up cattle and went to the store during the day. They could have picked him up anywhere. Instead they tapped his phone knew his plans, and set him up for the kill away from the eyes of the town.

For those who don't grasp the important nature of he next election here it is. We've got to clean house at the leadership level of the FBI. They need to be respected but this is just another example of how the left has turned them into a new manifestation of the Gestapo. The people who protested the jailing of a neighbor didn't deserve what happened to them. What happened to the days when citizens would have a dialogue with law enforcement. And the militarizing of law enforcement, as echoed in the sheriffs remarks, has them twice as ready to kill as to listen. Despicable!

If the left goes in other law abiding citizens will suffer whatever demands the Bureau of Land Management wants to dish out. An ombudsman was needed from Washington not the FBI. Common sense says you fight a forest fire with a backfire and doing that does not make one a terrorist.

Things are way out of hand. IMO every American needs to see this.

I can't thank you enough for sharing this....I sent the link to many folk over an hr. ago....

kudos and for the good guys!!!!

If only one took the time to watch and learn and to see what's coming if it isn't stopped.

Folks think that if leftists try to seize this government that the people in the military and law enforcement will help them fight back. What this illustrates is that the average citizen would be met with overwhelming force more interested in eliminating them as a problem than in dealing with them as a citizen, and even with friends they would stand no chance against the military armor used and the combat weapons used against the citizenry. And those pulling the triggers and following the orders are mostly millennials who have been taught to mistrust or hate old white men, and people with an independent spirit.

The young today think like Mao's Red Guard. Any who don't comply deserve whatever they get. There is no bill of rights at work here. No formal warrants, no attempt at peaceful arrest, no presumption of innocence until the matter is decided in a court. One Bureau declares a man to be a problem and another Bureau guns down one who stands up for the first man's rights.

Whether Lavoy was in the right or wrong doesn't matter if he is shot in the back 3 times by heavily armed riflemen set up in ambush. A law enforcement agency of a free society doesn't react this way, nor do they shoot the pregnant wife and innocent son of a man they only suspect as they did at Ruby Ridge, or butcher and burn innocent victims like they did at Waco. I'm all for us, the U.S., and always have been, but never before have I been alarmed by what our government has done. This would lead one to believe that they are no longer servants of the people seeking to uphold the law, but enforcers of corporate and government will.

Now did some of these men do some stupid things in protest? Yes! Did they harm anyone? No! Was the sentence against the original Rancher and his son just? Watch and tell me what you think. These weren't cultists. They weren't people obliquely connected to a terrorist like McVey. These were citizens mostly of Burns Oregon.

(10-04-2019 11:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 11:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:39 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 10:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  hfs....the 76 min. will get your blood pressure going....

now I fully understand....the 78 min. mark will make one cringe at any capacity of sanity....

The Clinton FBI gave us Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez. The Obama FBI gives us an old man exercising his rights to protest 3 shots in the back while his hands are in the air, he had no priors, and was only seeking the safety of the neighboring sheriffs office before turning himself over to the FBI's version of Special Forces.

They made their mind up to kill him and set up an ambush plain and simple.

And the MSM wrapped it and sold it as a terrorist group. Co conspirators in a murder I'd say. And as the local sheriff pointed out he still rounded up cattle and went to the store during the day. They could have picked him up anywhere. Instead they tapped his phone knew his plans, and set him up for the kill away from the eyes of the town.

For those who don't grasp the important nature of he next election here it is. We've got to clean house at the leadership level of the FBI. They need to be respected but this is just another example of how the left has turned them into a new manifestation of the Gestapo. The people who protested the jailing of a neighbor didn't deserve what happened to them. What happened to the days when citizens would have a dialogue with law enforcement. And the militarizing of law enforcement, as echoed in the sheriffs remarks, has them twice as ready to kill as to listen. Despicable!

If the left goes in other law abiding citizens will suffer whatever demands the Bureau of Land Management wants to dish out. An ombudsman was needed from Washington not the FBI. Common sense says you fight a forest fire with a backfire and doing that does not make one a terrorist.

Things are way out of hand. IMO every American needs to see this.

I can't thank you enough for sharing this....I sent the link to many folk over an hr. ago....

kudos and for the good guys!!!!

If only one took the time to watch and learn and to see what's coming if it isn't stopped.

Folks think that if leftists try to seize this government that the people in the military and law enforcement will help them fight back. What this illustrates is that the average citizen is outgunned, and even with friends stands no chance against military armor used and weapons used against the citizenry. And those pulling the triggers and following the orders are mostly millennials who have been taught to hate old white men, and people with an independent spirit.

The young today think like Mao's Red Guard. Any who don't comply deserve whatever they get. There is no bill of rights at work here. No formal warrants, no attempt at peaceful arrest, no presumption of innocence until the matter is decided in a court.

Whether Lavoy was in the right or wrong doesn't matter if he is shot in the back 3 times by heavily armed riflemen set up in ambush.

obviously, I took the time....it once again reinforced who the good guys are and those that constrain our civil liberties to ad nauseam....

again, there's a reason I fly the Gadsden....

Warren presidency would suck for the US economy.

If it came to the point that we would have to fight the government like in other countries the military and LO would only carry out their orders even in the face of them being illegal. In the military a member does not have to obey an illegal order but most of the time the member is afraid of the consequences of not obeying. That's what would happen. It sucks but hey who can blame them. If the military doesn't hesitate to murder an innocent person what's to say that they won't do the same to the military member for not obeying.

I hope we never get to find out what would happen, as it's a slippery slope.

(10-05-2019 02:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If it came to the point that we would have to fight the government like in other countries the military and LO would only carry out their orders even in the face of them being illegal. In the military a member does not have to obey an illegal order but most of the time the member is afraid of the consequences of not obeying. That's what would happen. It sucks but hey who can blame them. If the military doesn't hesitate to murder an innocent person what's to say that they won't do the same to the military member for not obeying.
I hope we never get to find out what would happen, as it's a slippery slope.

I hope not either, but I am not optimistic.

(10-05-2019 02:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If it came to the point that we would have to fight the government like in other countries the military and LO would only carry out their orders even in the face of them being illegal. In the military a member does not have to obey an illegal order but most of the time the member is afraid of the consequences of not obeying. That's what would happen. It sucks but hey who can blame them. If the military doesn't hesitate to murder an innocent person what's to say that they won't do the same to the military member for not obeying.
I hope we never get to find out what would happen, as it's a slippery slope.

I hope not either, but I am not optimistic.

(10-05-2019 03:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-05-2019 02:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If it came to the point that we would have to fight the government like in other countries the military and LO would only carry out their orders even in the face of them being illegal. In the military a member does not have to obey an illegal order but most of the time the member is afraid of the consequences of not obeying. That's what would happen. It sucks but hey who can blame them. If the military doesn't hesitate to murder an innocent person what's to say that they won't do the same to the military member for not obeying.
I hope we never get to find out what would happen, as it's a slippery slope.

I hope not either, but I am not optimistic.

again, we're in the same version of 'nervous'....

told ya guys awhile back this would be more important than '16....

now, most fully understand why....