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(10-01-2019 12:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:39 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Any chance this encourages UTRGV to start football?

This gives them a Texas Conference mate

It is possible, but they need to add female sports which they added beach volleyball. The study shows they can add football, it is just when they start the process. Just to raise a lot of cash first.

Ummmm we don't have beach volleyball.
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2018-2019 Tarleton State Athletics

Baseball - 15-36
Basketball- Men - 21-10
Basketball - Women - 22 - 9
Cross Country - Men - 2nd at Lone Star/9th at NCAA South Regional
Cross Country - Women - 2nd at Lone Star/13th at NCAA South Regional
Golf - Women's - 6th at Lone Star
Softball - 40 - 15
Volleyball - 32-5 - Won NCAA Regional

Looks to be a solid overall program.
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(10-02-2019 02:00 AM)Vaqueronation Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:39 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Any chance this encourages UTRGV to start football?

This gives them a Texas Conference mate

It is possible, but they need to add female sports which they added beach volleyball. The study shows they can add football, it is just when they start the process. Just to raise a lot of cash first.

Ummmm we don't have beach volleyball.

I saw the new AC units going up on HPE II, pretty sure that means we're starting Women's Ice Hockey. Another little known secret is that the new soccer field could be repurposed for Lacrosse. You heard it here first...
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(10-01-2019 06:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 06:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  They have been invited and have not joined. They could be using the invite as a way to leverage an invite from SLC.
That’s exactly what will happen.

When Sam Houston St, Lamar, and McNeese St join the WAC for FBS, the Southland will need Tarleton badly, as it wouldn’t have enough FCS schools.

The WAC just extended an invitation to conceal to the media and the NCAA voters that it intends to be FBS again. Tarleton would spend millions just on travel more than the Southland and can not afford it.

Right, because SHS, Lamar, McNeese St and NMSU can make a FBS conference. That works. Done and done.

Good on the WAC for concealing their FBS conference to the NCAA. They will never notice...
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PP,

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Keep it to the OP.
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There is a Sam Houston St poster that says there is D2 posters there saying the same things I have:

Some SLC and Big Sky teams are moving to the WAC for FBS and Tarleton St is waiting for that announcement to backfill for the SLC. Tarleton hasn’t joined the WAC yet but has given notice of leaving to the Lone Star.

http://www.katfans.com/katsforum/showthr...post394513
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(10-02-2019 11:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There is a Sam Houston St poster that says there is D2 posters there saying the same things I have:

Some SLC and Big Sky teams are moving to the WAC for FBS and Tarleton St is waiting for that announcement to backfill for the SLC. Tarleton hasn’t joined the WAC yet but has given notice of leaving to the Lone Star.

http://www.katfans.com/katsforum/showthr...post394513

I don't see any posts that say anything about anyone moving up to FBS. There's a post by a Tarleton State poster, Gruesome, about the possibility of a new WAC football conference being formed that includes Dixie State and Tarleton State, a few current Big Sky members (with support of the Big Sky Conference), and a few current Southland Conference members including Sam Houston State and Stephen F. Austin. That information in turn came from a Tarleton State poster, wisdomgymrat, who posted the following comment (post #10) on the D2 board thread about the Tarleton State move-up:

I told you so...

Southland is going away.... WT [West Texas A&M] will receive an invite so will Sam Houston, SFA, UTRGV, Northern Colorado, New Mexico State.


https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/f...ton-to-wac

However wisdomgymrat posts later in the same thread (#140) that this is "all speculation".

More interesting to me is this post (#138) by catatonic in the same thread:

Out of curiosity I did a little poking around in FCS circles and came up with a few things about the future of the WAC....
1. The WAC has stated they are actively considering the addition of football.
2. Recent move up Dixie State agreed to join the WAC with the understanding there will be a WAC football conference in the near future.
3. No one I spoke with had heard about a pending implosion of the Southland Conference. BUT....and here is where it gets interesting...
4. The Big Sky Conference really, really, really wants another FCS conference in the West. They are currently the only FCS conference whose members are all west of the Mississippi and they would like to change this,
5. Their commitment has been more than rhetoric. The Big Sky has actively worked with Dixie State to assist them with their move up around scheduling and meeting the various annual benchmarks set by the NCAA. It is thought though I couldn’t confirm this that the Big Sky will offer the same type of support to Tarleton.
6. More importantly, the Big Sky would encourage up to four of its 13 member schools to join a new WAC football conference.
Schools mentioned as options included Cal Davis, Cal Poly, Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. With the exception of NAU, the schools mentioned are relative newcomers to the Big Sky. They would join Dixie State, Tarleton, and a couple of other Texas schools in the newly formed conference. The Texas schools could be either d2 move ups or existing FCS schools from the Southland or the SWAC. The specific schools are based on speculation. The willingness of the Big Sky to actively assist in the formation of a new conference out west is fact.


Then there is this post (#141) from TexasFan:

I have watched both [Tarleton State] Next Level Ready videos and came away with several thoughts....
1. The leadership team at Tarleton firmly believes the WAC is a better conference with better schools than the Southland. This is the main reason they chose the WAC. I believe they are correct. The only negative to the WAC is travel.
2. We will be adding soccer with women’s starting in 2021. Men will follow probably in 2022. This should cause facilities to be built at the turf field as this will be the home of the programs.
3. The new aquatic center goes in front of the BOR at their February meeting and will be approved. Once construction is completed, major renovations should occur to Wisdom Gym, including removing the western wall and creating a horseshoe seating arrangement. This is assuming an engineering study can construct the seating structure. I hope all of the upper deck bleachers would be removed and actual seats added.
4. Phase 2 of the football stadium should be announced soon. It was acknowledged we must add additional seating with the potential move up.
5. The Big Sky assistance is probably all true. Tarleton mentioned they talked with four different conferences about moving up. The WAC and Southland were the only two specifically mentioned. Northern Arizona has called about a home-&-home football series. TCU called about playing football in 2021 and Maryland asked about men’s basketball in 2020/2021.
6. The WAC will be sponsoring football soon. It was stated we would probably be an independent FCS football school for two years, then the WAC football starts up.
7. The move up is currently all hinging upon the student vote later this month. If it passes, we move. If not, we stay for now.


https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/f...wac/page10

Again, there's no mention of anyone moving up to FBS or any of the northern Big Sky schools being involved. The rumors are all about building a WAC FCS conference, not a new FBS conference.
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Good info HawaiiMongoose. I have 2 thoughts (I can't believe I'm speculating at all about conferences):

1. If the WAC starts up FB, it will be FCS, not FBS.
2. NMSU will stay FBS and has no interest in FCS, so they would not be a part of WAC FCS FB.
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(10-03-2019 06:48 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 11:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There is a Sam Houston St poster that says there is D2 posters there saying the same things I have:

Some SLC and Big Sky teams are moving to the WAC for FBS and Tarleton St is waiting for that announcement to backfill for the SLC. Tarleton hasn’t joined the WAC yet but has given notice of leaving to the Lone Star.

http://www.katfans.com/katsforum/showthr...post394513

I don't see any posts that say anything about anyone moving up to FBS. There's a post by a Tarleton State poster, Gruesome, about the possibility of a new WAC football conference being formed that includes Dixie State and Tarleton State, a few current Big Sky members (with support of the Big Sky Conference), and a few current Southland Conference members including Sam Houston State and Stephen F. Austin. That information in turn came from a Tarleton State poster, wisdomgymrat, who posted the following comment (post #10) on the D2 board thread about the Tarleton State move-up:

I told you so...

Southland is going away.... WT [West Texas A&M] will receive an invite so will Sam Houston, SFA, UTRGV, Northern Colorado, New Mexico State.


https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/f...ton-to-wac

However wisdomgymrat posts later in the same thread (#140) that this is "all speculation".

More interesting to me is this post (#138) by catatonic in the same thread:

Out of curiosity I did a little poking around in FCS circles and came up with a few things about the future of the WAC....
1. The WAC has stated they are actively considering the addition of football.
2. Recent move up Dixie State agreed to join the WAC with the understanding there will be a WAC football conference in the near future.
3. No one I spoke with had heard about a pending implosion of the Southland Conference. BUT....and here is where it gets interesting...
4. The Big Sky Conference really, really, really wants another FCS conference in the West. They are currently the only FCS conference whose members are all west of the Mississippi and they would like to change this,
5. Their commitment has been more than rhetoric. The Big Sky has actively worked with Dixie State to assist them with their move up around scheduling and meeting the various annual benchmarks set by the NCAA. It is thought though I couldn’t confirm this that the Big Sky will offer the same type of support to Tarleton.
6. More importantly, the Big Sky would encourage up to four of its 13 member schools to join a new WAC football conference.
Schools mentioned as options included Cal Davis, Cal Poly, Northern Colorado, Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. With the exception of NAU, the schools mentioned are relative newcomers to the Big Sky. They would join Dixie State, Tarleton, and a couple of other Texas schools in the newly formed conference. The Texas schools could be either d2 move ups or existing FCS schools from the Southland or the SWAC. The specific schools are based on speculation. The willingness of the Big Sky to actively assist in the formation of a new conference out west is fact.


Then there is this post (#141) from TexasFan:

I have watched both [Tarleton State] Next Level Ready videos and came away with several thoughts....
1. The leadership team at Tarleton firmly believes the WAC is a better conference with better schools than the Southland. This is the main reason they chose the WAC. I believe they are correct. The only negative to the WAC is travel.
2. We will be adding soccer with women’s starting in 2021. Men will follow probably in 2022. This should cause facilities to be built at the turf field as this will be the home of the programs.
3. The new aquatic center goes in front of the BOR at their February meeting and will be approved. Once construction is completed, major renovations should occur to Wisdom Gym, including removing the western wall and creating a horseshoe seating arrangement. This is assuming an engineering study can construct the seating structure. I hope all of the upper deck bleachers would be removed and actual seats added.
4. Phase 2 of the football stadium should be announced soon. It was acknowledged we must add additional seating with the potential move up.
5. The Big Sky assistance is probably all true. Tarleton mentioned they talked with four different conferences about moving up. The WAC and Southland were the only two specifically mentioned. Northern Arizona has called about a home-&-home football series. TCU called about playing football in 2021 and Maryland asked about men’s basketball in 2020/2021.
6. The WAC will be sponsoring football soon. It was stated we would probably be an independent FCS football school for two years, then the WAC football starts up.
7. The move up is currently all hinging upon the student vote later this month. If it passes, we move. If not, we stay for now.


https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/f...wac/page10

Again, there's no mention of anyone moving up to FBS or any of the northern Big Sky schools being involved. The rumors are all about building a WAC FCS conference, not a new FBS conference.
Came to say same thing. SHSU fansite getting gossip from D2board via a Tarleton fan and an Abiliene Christian fan.

Big sky is bloated and Southland doesnt seem to want to expand because of more sharing of the limited pie.

Could you see people breaking off? Sure, the WAC has fewer teams meaning 1/8 chance of making NCAA tourney rather than 1/16.
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(10-03-2019 08:54 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Good info HawaiiMongoose. I have 2 thoughts (I can't believe I'm speculating at all about conferences):

1. If the WAC starts up FB, it will be FCS, not FBS.
2. NMSU will stay FBS and has no interest in FCS, so they would not be a part of WAC FCS FB.

Yep, I don’t see NMSU dropping down. It wouldn’t make financial sense.
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(10-03-2019 08:54 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Good info HawaiiMongoose. I have 2 thoughts (I can't believe I'm speculating at all about conferences):

1. If the WAC starts up FB, it will be FCS, not FBS.
2. NMSU will stay FBS and has no interest in FCS, so they would not be a part of WAC FCS FB.

I'm afraid your right. It would be NMSU FBS football dream come true if the WAC started FBS football again and present WAC schools started FBS football and D2 and FCS moveups going FBS. NMSU football would have teams with similar budgets and might actually win games in the conference.
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The WAC will be FCS again for two years before all those FCS schools transition to FBS. 2025 is the goal year to be transitioned to FBS because the new CFB contract will commence and the WAC will again comply.

There were always load of FCS schools that were interested in FBS with the CFP money. There were few if the CFP money wasn’t available until2025.
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Took a look at their site.

11,000 attendance for a regular in-conference home game two weeks back, in Stephenville, pop. 21,000. That's more than UTRGV has had for any home game, anytime, in any sport, in a metro area with 900K people. Probably beats the majority of WAC schools.

Looks like they're real and have fans that show up. This was a good pick.
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From the D2 board here is an interview with Tarleton State's Athletic Director Lonn Reisman. Reismann notes that the WAC is trying to put together a football conference. So perhaps things are going on behind the scenes to fill out the WAC.

https://www.yourstephenvilletx.com/sport...-to-expect
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Confirms TSU to the WAC and not the SLC
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(10-03-2019 05:57 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Confirms TSU to the WAC and not the SLC

If Tarleton State and Dixie State can develop their respective athletic programs such that they surpass most of the Southland and Big Sky schools, then we "might" see some of the SLC and BSC schools considered jumping over to the WAC to keep pace with Tarleton State and Dixie State's development... and possibly form a new WAC FCS football conference down the road.
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(10-03-2019 09:11 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-03-2019 05:57 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Confirms TSU to the WAC and not the SLC

If Tarleton State and Dixie State can develop their respective athletic programs such that they surpass most of the Southland and Big Sky schools, then we "might"" see some of the SLC and BSC schools considered jumping over to the WAC to keep pace with Tarleton State and Dixie State's development... and possibly form a new WAC FCS football conference down the road.

Two down, four to go. Get to 4(?) full members and then the WAC can think affiliates. It might be able to do it with just three full members.
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As far as affiliate football only members, U. of San Diego is non-scholarship, and plays in the Pioneer. Their closest conference mate is in Des Moines Iowa (Drake). It must get tiresome for them to have to cross the country to the midwest and south for half of their conference games. I would guess they might be interested in playing teams a bit closer, and saving some cash. The scholarship thing could be an issue though.
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USD seems happy with the status quo. Beyond the 63 full scholarship allotment for FCS, they'd have to put additional scholarships into women's athletics.
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