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I believe all endorsements are still run through some ncaa governing body. So it’s not a free-for-all.. I don’t recall how exactly but it sounded like there is someone overseeing these deals so they stay remotely above board.
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(10-01-2019 11:10 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:01 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Imagine a team with 4 players driving Maserati's to practice while everyone else is scraping $20/week together so they can go out on Friday night. Bizarre, so divisive I would think.

Well then those players "scrapping" should advertise themselves better so that they could buy a Maserati? This has nothing to do with schools paying players....

Right.

Or just attend USC or any other school willing to fork out $ to every player to attend school there.

Sorry, every player once at the school and use their likeness.

I can see it now. Auctions for a mouthpiece for 100k, a Used Cars type commercial with the whole team doing the Trojan Shuffle and receiving 25k each.

I am sure the Stanford Swim Team calendar should earn them a good penny for their "likeness."

And people think there are a lot of transfer now? It will be like NBA free agency. 03-lmfao
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(10-01-2019 11:32 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:10 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:01 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Imagine a team with 4 players driving Maserati's to practice while everyone else is scraping $20/week together so they can go out on Friday night. Bizarre, so divisive I would think.

Well then those players "scrapping" should advertise themselves better so that they could buy a Maserati? This has nothing to do with schools paying players....

Right.

Or just attend USC or any other school willing to fork out $ to every player to attend school there.

Sorry, every player once at the school and use their likeness.

I can see it now. Auctions for a mouthpiece for 100k, a Used Cars type commercial with the whole team doing the Trojan Shuffle and receiving 25k each.

I am sure the Stanford Swim Team calendar should earn them a good penny for their "likeness."

And people think there are a lot of transfer now? It will be like NBA free agency. 03-lmfao

What about an NIU type school, that had a Heisman hopeful or NFL-bound running back. One guy crushing regional McDonald's ads while the rest get zilch, or am I reading this wrong?
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(10-01-2019 11:44 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:32 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:10 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:01 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Imagine a team with 4 players driving Maserati's to practice while everyone else is scraping $20/week together so they can go out on Friday night. Bizarre, so divisive I would think.

Well then those players "scrapping" should advertise themselves better so that they could buy a Maserati? This has nothing to do with schools paying players....

Right.

Or just attend USC or any other school willing to fork out $ to every player to attend school there.

Sorry, every player once at the school and use their likeness.

I can see it now. Auctions for a mouthpiece for 100k, a Used Cars type commercial with the whole team doing the Trojan Shuffle and receiving 25k each.

I am sure the Stanford Swim Team calendar should earn them a good penny for their "likeness."

And people think there are a lot of transfer now? It will be like NBA free agency. 03-lmfao

What about an NIU type school, that had a Heisman hopeful or NFL-bound running back. One guy crushing regional McDonald's ads while the rest get zilch, or am I reading this wrong?

Honestly, I don't think anyone knows what's going on other than they ok'd paying athletes for likeness/endorsements and whatnot.

It's just one those things that sound great on paper, for the "poor kids" until you put it into action and even before that, look into specifics or see what they missed. So many factors, many unforeseen. And as always, the rich who have the $, control are bound to get richer.
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(10-01-2019 11:32 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:10 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:01 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Imagine a team with 4 players driving Maserati's to practice while everyone else is scraping $20/week together so they can go out on Friday night. Bizarre, so divisive I would think.

Well then those players "scrapping" should advertise themselves better so that they could buy a Maserati? This has nothing to do with schools paying players....

Right.

Or just attend USC or any other school willing to fork out $ to every player to attend school there.

Sorry, every player once at the school and use their likeness.

I can see it now. Auctions for a mouthpiece for 100k, a Used Cars type commercial with the whole team doing the Trojan Shuffle and receiving 25k each.

I am sure the Stanford Swim Team calendar should earn them a good penny for their "likeness."

And people think there are a lot of transfer now? It will be like NBA free agency. 03-lmfao

No ones forking over 100k to anyone but maybe a mega star. This notion that the third string long snapper will be doing tv spots is nuts. Yes people will try to lure the top HS player in the country with deals(not like that isn’t already happening). And star players will rake in the cash. But like so many jobs, all the money will be for the top 1%. The average players will be lucky to get a radio spot with the local sub shop.
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You all are talking football but the big bucks are going to go to freshmen and sophomore basketball superstars.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It would be death of college sports. Football and basketball generate revenues for other sports. If you have to pay star athletes big money, less money for other athletes. Funding for most colleges is fragile
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(10-01-2019 11:54 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:32 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:10 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:01 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Imagine a team with 4 players driving Maserati's to practice while everyone else is scraping $20/week together so they can go out on Friday night. Bizarre, so divisive I would think.

Well then those players "scrapping" should advertise themselves better so that they could buy a Maserati? This has nothing to do with schools paying players....

Right.

Or just attend USC or any other school willing to fork out $ to every player to attend school there.

Sorry, every player once at the school and use their likeness.

I can see it now. Auctions for a mouthpiece for 100k, a Used Cars type commercial with the whole team doing the Trojan Shuffle and receiving 25k each.

I am sure the Stanford Swim Team calendar should earn them a good penny for their "likeness."

And people think there are a lot of transfer now? It will be like NBA free agency. 03-lmfao

No ones forking over 100k to anyone but maybe a mega star. This notion that the third string long snapper will be doing tv spots is nuts. Yes people will try to lure the top HS player in the country with deals(not like that isn’t already happening). And star players will rake in the cash. But like so many jobs, all the money will be for the top 1%. The average players will be lucky to get a radio spot with the local sub shop.

Sorry.

Until someone can explain, show on paper how this works,what the limit is, I will assume it's sky's the limit. There are people who give 10's...100's of thousands to schools. Why not pool your money together on merchandising,have in a sense straw buys and then share the return? And what happens if Texas decides to one up CA? Florida them?

What happens when kid A sees what kid B is getting? He tries to strike a deal with another school.


And curious. NIU sold a ton on #6 jerseys a few years back. So does that mean Lynch and Bass get money? Any subsequent #6's?

And as far as luring, so since it's a problem, this is the answer? The luring will be in the wide open I guess.

This is a complete joke and in reality, done by a few to challenge the power of the NCAA.It's kind of like running for office and stating you are for reparations, deporting all illegal aliens, banning all guns or against all abortions with zero plan how it will work and knowing it will never pass on a national level.

I think this goes up and up the federal and appeals courts. In the end these schools will be allowed to do as they please or will need to follow NCAA guidelines. Then we will see if some group will come along to supplant or at least challenge the NCAA. Good luck with that when these conferences outside P10, not to mention other P10 schools, are already getting millions from football and basketball deals.

In any case, this isn't good for schools like NIU.
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(10-01-2019 01:20 PM)klake87 Wrote:  It would be death of college sports. Football and basketball generate revenues for other sports. If you have to pay star athletes big money, less money for other athletes. Funding for most colleges is fragile

Who is to say someone doesn't come along and arrange a way for Stanford's swim team, Florida's softball team or Oklahoma's gymnastics team? Better yet, not teams that are good, arrange a way to pay to get good athletes on teams that currently suck!
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The big money will be from the shoe companies (Nike, Adidas) who will be able to openly contract with the players, and no longer do so in the shadows. Of course this will most likely only benefit the handful of players that are immediately marketable, but who is to say Nike won't pay a marginally talented kid a mimimal amount to get their signature on a contract, and gamble on a bargain endorsement deal should that same marginal player blossom into stardom. The possibilities are endless, but initially the law will be used to the advantage of the apparel companies. There should be no surprise that King James was present for the signing ceremony by the California governor.

Keep in mind this law is NOT about the school paying the athletes for their time and service.
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(10-01-2019 05:44 PM)niu79 Wrote:  There should be no surprise that King James was present for the signing ceremony by the California governor.

There should be plenty of disdain for that idiot man-child.

HE DIDN'T EVEN GO TO COLLEGE.

This legislation has to do with the NCAA and COLLEGIATE Student-Athletes.

STFU, "King" James.
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The fears Im hearing sound very similar to the fears when pro sports got heavy into free agency. "the Yankees will just buy all the stars and the Brewers won't get any good players". It's the same thing. Rules will be put into place to "try" and keep things fair. It's not a free market where every player is just open to be bought. It's all gonna be regulated and all deals will be run through a committee and Im guessing subject to conditions. I have zero idea but maybe things like a hard cap for each school per endorser. So Nike can't come in and sign every freshman on Bama because they'd have nothing left to sign tagovailoa. Or vice versa. Maybe a limit on the # of deals a player can sign in a year or career? Take the biggest college star you can ever imagine. There's no way the NCAA or the NFL would let NIKE sign him to a huge contract that pays more than he'd make in the NFL now that draft spots have slotted pay. They're going to let kids get paid but I don't think it will be fair market value. They'll allow them a small percent of what their name rights generate in revenue. It may end up being much less than we think.

The NCAA is going to consider every possible scam that could occur and try to put rules into place to prevent them. Yes, it will get circumvented and someone will find a cheat. But I don't think it will create the chaos some of you feel. Big stars will get most of [/i]the money. Smaller stars will get scraps. and the average player will get nada.
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A lot of handwringing over a bill that passed unanimously with similar bills in states around the country.

Let's not pretend there's parity in college sports to begin with. It's like European soccer- the top teams stay at the top until they're badly mismanaged then they stumble a little.

There is no good argument for athletes not to get paid for their image/likeness rights. Let them get paid for YouTube channels, teaming up to put on camps, making appearances, talking to high school teams, whatever. Sure, the big stars will get their shoe money- but this is positive across the board for all the athletes who should, fundamentally, be as able to do this as people on academic schollys or in the honors program can tutoring on the side, or art students picking up a commission from someone in the community.

The richer coaches and everyone at the top (P5 conference commissioners get paid millions) have gotten, the more a system that keeps money away from athletes has become.
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(10-02-2019 10:07 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  A lot of handwringing over a bill that passed unanimously with similar bills in states around the country.

Let's not pretend there's parity in college sports to begin with. It's like European soccer- the top teams stay at the top until they're badly mismanaged then they stumble a little.

There is no good argument for athletes not to get paid for their image/likeness rights. Let them get paid for YouTube channels, teaming up to put on camps, making appearances, talking to high school teams, whatever. Sure, the big stars will get their shoe money- but this is positive across the board for all the athletes who should, fundamentally, be as able to do this as people on academic schollys or in the honors program can tutoring on the side, or art students picking up a commission from someone in the community.

The richer coaches and everyone at the top (P5 conference commissioners get paid millions) have gotten, the more a system that keeps money away from athletes has become.

+1

THANK YOU

I have no idea why anybody is against this? How does this effect any of us at all? It just sounds like a bunch of angry "Get off my lawn" old guys.
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(10-01-2019 08:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The fears Im hearing sound very similar to the fears when pro sports got heavy into free agency. "the Yankees will just buy all the stars and the Brewers won't get any good players". It's the same thing. Rules will be put into place to "try" and keep things fair. It's not a free market where every player is just open to be bought. It's all gonna be regulated and all deals will be run through a committee and Im guessing subject to conditions. I have zero idea but maybe things like a hard cap for each school per endorser. So Nike can't come in and sign every freshman on Bama because they'd have nothing left to sign tagovailoa. Or vice versa. Maybe a limit on the # of deals a player can sign in a year or career? Take the biggest college star you can ever imagine. There's no way the NCAA or the NFL would let NIKE sign him to a huge contract that pays more than he'd make in the NFL now that draft spots have slotted pay. They're going to let kids get paid but I don't think it will be fair market value. They'll allow them a small percent of what their name rights generate in revenue. It may end up being much less than we think.

The NCAA is going to consider every possible scam that could occur and try to put rules into place to prevent them. Yes, it will get circumvented and someone will find a cheat. But I don't think it will create the chaos some of you feel. Big stars will get most of [/i]the money. Smaller stars will get scraps. and the average player will get nada.

Agreed. When the California law goes national, there will be no competitive disadvantage to any school in a particular state. The best players will get their endorsement contracts. It will be interesting to see the locker room dynamic between the "star" with the big shoe contract and his teammates who won't be so lucky as to get a sniff of the action. It will definitely make for an interesting case study as to having a free market for college athletes. My guess is the NCAA is afraid this legislation will be expanded to include more than endorsements, and that down the road the athletes may demand "fair pay" for their services as well. Should be interesting.
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(10-02-2019 11:36 AM)niu79 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 08:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The fears Im hearing sound very similar to the fears when pro sports got heavy into free agency. "the Yankees will just buy all the stars and the Brewers won't get any good players". It's the same thing. Rules will be put into place to "try" and keep things fair. It's not a free market where every player is just open to be bought. It's all gonna be regulated and all deals will be run through a committee and Im guessing subject to conditions. I have zero idea but maybe things like a hard cap for each school per endorser. So Nike can't come in and sign every freshman on Bama because they'd have nothing left to sign tagovailoa. Or vice versa. Maybe a limit on the # of deals a player can sign in a year or career? Take the biggest college star you can ever imagine. There's no way the NCAA or the NFL would let NIKE sign him to a huge contract that pays more than he'd make in the NFL now that draft spots have slotted pay. They're going to let kids get paid but I don't think it will be fair market value. They'll allow them a small percent of what their name rights generate in revenue. It may end up being much less than we think.

The NCAA is going to consider every possible scam that could occur and try to put rules into place to prevent them. Yes, it will get circumvented and someone will find a cheat. But I don't think it will create the chaos some of you feel. Big stars will get most of [/i]the money. Smaller stars will get scraps. and the average player will get nada.

Agreed. When the California law goes national, there will be no competitive disadvantage to any school in a particular state. The best players will get their endorsement contracts. It will be interesting to see the locker room dynamic between the "star" with the big shoe contract and his teammates who won't be so lucky as to get a sniff of the action. It will definitely make for an interesting case study as to having a free market for college athletes. My guess is the NCAA is afraid this legislation will be expanded to include more than endorsements, and that down the road the athletes may demand "fair pay" for their services as well. Should be interesting.

If your want to see where this all began, look no further than the Olympics.

Used to be unpaid amateurs, then unpaid and paid amateurs like the communist countries had, then paid/unpaid amateurs and pros. Now there is no distinction.

Getting endorsements means you are no longer amateurs and that opens the door. I just can't comprehend how allowing for endorsements is in any way comparable to a stipend. And seeing LeBron who skipped college in the middle is great. So I guess if Nike paid him 10 million he enjoys college.03-lmfao

Or is he Nike's rep in all this? You know he and other athletes will find a way to exploit the athletes for their gain. Sorry, I meant help the student athletes get by in college since they have no money. Well the good ones at least. Or maybe a team of them.
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(10-01-2019 08:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The fears Im hearing sound very similar to the fears when pro sports got heavy into free agency. "the Yankees will just buy all the stars and the Brewers won't get any good players". It's the same thing. Rules will be put into place to "try" and keep things fair. It's not a free market where every player is just open to be bought. It's all gonna be regulated and all deals will be run through a committee and Im guessing subject to conditions. I have zero idea but maybe things like a hard cap for each school per endorser. So Nike can't come in and sign every freshman on Bama because they'd have nothing left to sign tagovailoa. Or vice versa. Maybe a limit on the # of deals a player can sign in a year or career? Take the biggest college star you can ever imagine. There's no way the NCAA or the NFL would let NIKE sign him to a huge contract that pays more than he'd make in the NFL now that draft spots have slotted pay. They're going to let kids get paid but I don't think it will be fair market value. They'll allow them a small percent of what their name rights generate in revenue. It may end up being much less than we think.

The NCAA is going to consider every possible scam that could occur and try to put rules into place to prevent them. Yes, it will get circumvented and someone will find a cheat. But I don't think it will create the chaos some of you feel. Big stars will get most of [/i]the money. Smaller stars will get scraps. and the average player will get nada.

How do you know this? Is there a set #? I mean the NCAA doesn't wan this and will challenge.

I guess the logic is they both play ball with each other and set a max which again becomes a whole new argument. It goes from unfair to not let them earn any money to unfair to cap them.

And let's not kid ourselves. This is just another way for wonderful politicians to find tax revenue.
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(10-01-2019 08:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The fears Im hearing sound very similar to the fears when pro sports got heavy into free agency. "the Yankees will just buy all the stars and the Brewers won't get any good players". It's the same thing. Rules will be put into place to "try" and keep things fair. It's not a free market where every player is just open to be bought. It's all gonna be regulated and all deals will be run through a committee and Im guessing subject to conditions. I have zero idea but maybe things like a hard cap for each school per endorser. So Nike can't come in and sign every freshman on Bama because they'd have nothing left to sign tagovailoa. Or vice versa. Maybe a limit on the # of deals a player can sign in a year or career? Take the biggest college star you can ever imagine. There's no way the NCAA or the NFL would let NIKE sign him to a huge contract that pays more than he'd make in the NFL now that draft spots have slotted pay. They're going to let kids get paid but I don't think it will be fair market value. They'll allow them a small percent of what their name rights generate in revenue. It may end up being much less than we think.

The NCAA is going to consider every possible scam that could occur and try to put rules into place to prevent them. Yes, it will get circumvented and someone will find a cheat. But I don't think it will create the chaos some of you feel. Big stars will get most of [/i]the money. Smaller stars will get scraps. and the average player will get nada.

How do you know this? Is there a set #? I mean the NCAA doesn't wan this and will challenge.

I guess the logic is they both play ball with each other and set a max which again becomes a whole new argument. It goes from unfair to not let them earn any money to unfair to cap them.

And let's not kid ourselves. This is just another way for wonderful politicians to find tax revenue.

The NCAA could not win a court challenge to cap the endorsement money. Such a cap would be have to be collectively bargained, and college athletes are not part of a union, let alone employees.
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(10-01-2019 01:20 PM)klake87 Wrote:  It would be death of college sports. Football and basketball generate revenues for other sports. If you have to pay star athletes big money, less money for other athletes. Funding for most colleges is fragile

Who is to say someone doesn't come along and arrange a way for Stanford's swim team, Florida's softball team or Oklahoma's gymnastics team? Better yet, not teams that are good, arrange a way to pay to get good athletes on teams that currently suck!

If THE OSU has to pay out millions of dollatr they get to players, cuts have to come from somewhere. Instead of going to college, kids will go to developmental leagues and Nike Under armour will pay them
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