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(10-01-2019 06:21 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Despite some pearl clutching case precedent has already been out there on this for a while. May not be as big of a sea change as some initially believe. This is the direction it’s been heading for a while.

I remembered they formed a committee but not sure there were findings yet...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co...atform=amp

More states will pass feel good legislation post haste and the NCAA will craft a new policy to apply.

Looks like the NCAA is going to have to comply. If they fight/boycott California on this issue, per CNBC they may face antitrust action from DOJ.
 
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(10-01-2019 09:53 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 06:21 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Despite some pearl clutching case precedent has already been out there on this for a while. May not be as big of a sea change as some initially believe. This is the direction it’s been heading for a while.

I remembered they formed a committee but not sure there were findings yet...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co...atform=amp

More states will pass feel good legislation post haste and the NCAA will craft a new policy to apply.

Looks like the NCAA is going to have to comply. If they fight/boycott California on this issue, per CNBC they may face antitrust action from DOJ.

At least one College entity will stare that down...

I'm just here for the inevitable NCAA Football revival on PS5...never thought when I bought the last one in '12 that I may be playing the next iteration with one of my children, but hey, beggars can't be choosers.
 
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For the last 100 years or better, musicians with music scholarships have been able to earn outside money from gigs as well as endorsements. Some get paid by their schools for performances. Music schools have yet to be ruined by this.

In today's world of college sports, the NCAA rakes in billions, the schools and the coaches get millions, and the "student athletes" get a very substandard education because most are not allowed to choose their own major. There is one other beneficiary -- fans. They get to buy tickets at a price that is below market price if the college sports markets were free and open.

I'm not sure what everyone is afraid of.
 
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(09-30-2019 08:51 PM)eroc Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:21 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 03:55 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, I have no problem with kids being able to make money off their likeness. Screw the NCAA.

I felt that way at first but now I'm not so sure.. These recruits we're currently taking from the MSU's and UK's of the world; they may not always be there if the SEC or Big 10 schools decide to throw some cash at these recruits we're in on and UC won't be able to match the funds due to our tighter budgets.

It's my belief that if boosters can begin playing athletes, it will further separate the haves from the have-nots.

i don't think the schools are allowed to directly pay athletes. Second, there is a limit to how much money is out there. Sure you hear about some larger sums out there but they tend to be one off type payments. I posted earlier about instagram jokingly but in reality being an instagram influencer is probably the most direct way that a lot of non-elite athletes (think Zion) will make their money. i can also see shoe and apparel companies having WAY more influence now that this becomes all above board. i believe the schools are protected in the sense that student-athletes are unable to engage in sponsorships/endorsements that conflict with those maintained by the institution. That said, i can see a lot of sneaker company affiliated aau teams directing prospects to specific institutions (ergo, nike routing bball players to Oregon and Duke, etc) with the promise of endorsement money. Even that has limits though. Not every prep school prospect ends up being Zion.
Schools can’t , but companies can. I also fear this will hurt Cincinnati in some way because we don’t have as many big donors.
 
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Florida now trying to pass the same law. If that happen UCF and USF will have a jump on us.
 
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Ohio Representative Anthony Gonzalez (the former OSU WR) is proposing national legislation paving the way for players to be paid through endorsements.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/coll...bc78372958
 
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(10-01-2019 11:19 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:51 PM)eroc Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:21 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 03:55 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, I have no problem with kids being able to make money off their likeness. Screw the NCAA.

I felt that way at first but now I'm not so sure.. These recruits we're currently taking from the MSU's and UK's of the world; they may not always be there if the SEC or Big 10 schools decide to throw some cash at these recruits we're in on and UC won't be able to match the funds due to our tighter budgets.

It's my belief that if boosters can begin playing athletes, it will further separate the haves from the have-nots.

i don't think the schools are allowed to directly pay athletes. Second, there is a limit to how much money is out there. Sure you hear about some larger sums out there but they tend to be one off type payments. I posted earlier about instagram jokingly but in reality being an instagram influencer is probably the most direct way that a lot of non-elite athletes (think Zion) will make their money. i can also see shoe and apparel companies having WAY more influence now that this becomes all above board. i believe the schools are protected in the sense that student-athletes are unable to engage in sponsorships/endorsements that conflict with those maintained by the institution. That said, i can see a lot of sneaker company affiliated aau teams directing prospects to specific institutions (ergo, nike routing bball players to Oregon and Duke, etc) with the promise of endorsement money. Even that has limits though. Not every prep school prospect ends up being Zion.
Schools can’t , but companies can. I also fear this will hurt Cincinnati in some way because we don’t have as many big donors.

We have 9 Fortune 500 companies in Cincinnati, and 11 in the Tri-State area...5 of which are helmed by UC alumni. If it gets into a coporate situation, I'd say we're in a better situation than the Wake Forests, Utah's, and Kansas's of the world
 
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If the logic is that all of the big state universities P5 were paying for their recruits all along, and getting away with it- and now we are allowed to do it too and everything is above board... I fail to see how this would not benefit us? Doesn’t it level the playing field so to speak?
 
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(10-02-2019 03:44 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:19 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:51 PM)eroc Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:21 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 03:55 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, I have no problem with kids being able to make money off their likeness. Screw the NCAA.

I felt that way at first but now I'm not so sure.. These recruits we're currently taking from the MSU's and UK's of the world; they may not always be there if the SEC or Big 10 schools decide to throw some cash at these recruits we're in on and UC won't be able to match the funds due to our tighter budgets.

It's my belief that if boosters can begin playing athletes, it will further separate the haves from the have-nots.

i don't think the schools are allowed to directly pay athletes. Second, there is a limit to how much money is out there. Sure you hear about some larger sums out there but they tend to be one off type payments. I posted earlier about instagram jokingly but in reality being an instagram influencer is probably the most direct way that a lot of non-elite athletes (think Zion) will make their money. i can also see shoe and apparel companies having WAY more influence now that this becomes all above board. i believe the schools are protected in the sense that student-athletes are unable to engage in sponsorships/endorsements that conflict with those maintained by the institution. That said, i can see a lot of sneaker company affiliated aau teams directing prospects to specific institutions (ergo, nike routing bball players to Oregon and Duke, etc) with the promise of endorsement money. Even that has limits though. Not every prep school prospect ends up being Zion.
Schools can’t , but companies can. I also fear this will hurt Cincinnati in some way because we don’t have as many big donors.

We have 9 Fortune 500 companies in Cincinnati, and 11 in the Tri-State area...5 of which are helmed by UC alumni. If it gets into a coporate situation, I'd say we're in a better situation than the Wake Forests, Utah's, and Kansas's of the world

I was thinking the same thing about that. If anything, I could see this move benefit the likes of UC, Houston, UCF, Memphis, Temple, San Diego State and a couple others at the expense of the likes of Washington State, Kansas State, Oregon State, Mississippi State, and of course Wake. The public schools I mentioned are all located in extremely small states, primarily in small towns and are basically where they are in the college athletic universe due to associations and partnerships forged 100 years ago. Throw in legislation like the one in California on a national level and suddenly a half-way decent recruit would be an idiot to pick one of those schools for a revenue sport- and then the rest of the P5 have less need for those schools anymore.
 
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(10-02-2019 04:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 03:44 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:19 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:51 PM)eroc Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:21 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  I felt that way at first but now I'm not so sure.. These recruits we're currently taking from the MSU's and UK's of the world; they may not always be there if the SEC or Big 10 schools decide to throw some cash at these recruits we're in on and UC won't be able to match the funds due to our tighter budgets.

It's my belief that if boosters can begin playing athletes, it will further separate the haves from the have-nots.

i don't think the schools are allowed to directly pay athletes. Second, there is a limit to how much money is out there. Sure you hear about some larger sums out there but they tend to be one off type payments. I posted earlier about instagram jokingly but in reality being an instagram influencer is probably the most direct way that a lot of non-elite athletes (think Zion) will make their money. i can also see shoe and apparel companies having WAY more influence now that this becomes all above board. i believe the schools are protected in the sense that student-athletes are unable to engage in sponsorships/endorsements that conflict with those maintained by the institution. That said, i can see a lot of sneaker company affiliated aau teams directing prospects to specific institutions (ergo, nike routing bball players to Oregon and Duke, etc) with the promise of endorsement money. Even that has limits though. Not every prep school prospect ends up being Zion.
Schools can’t , but companies can. I also fear this will hurt Cincinnati in some way because we don’t have as many big donors.

We have 9 Fortune 500 companies in Cincinnati, and 11 in the Tri-State area...5 of which are helmed by UC alumni. If it gets into a coporate situation, I'd say we're in a better situation than the Wake Forests, Utah's, and Kansas's of the world

I was thinking the same thing about that. If anything, I could see this move benefit the likes of UC, Houston, UCF, Memphis, Temple, San Diego State and a couple others at the expense of the likes of Washington State, Kansas State, Oregon State, Mississippi State, and of course Wake. The public schools I mentioned are all located in extremely small states, primarily in small towns and are basically where they are in the college athletic universe due to associations and partnerships forged 100 years ago. Throw in legislation like the one in California on a national level and suddenly a half-way decent recruit would be an idiot to pick one of those schools for a revenue sport- and then the rest of the P5 have less need for those schools anymore.

Yes I can see Smith at Memphis having all the best players via Fedex commercials.
 
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(10-02-2019 03:44 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:19 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:51 PM)eroc Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 08:21 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 03:55 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, I have no problem with kids being able to make money off their likeness. Screw the NCAA.

I felt that way at first but now I'm not so sure.. These recruits we're currently taking from the MSU's and UK's of the world; they may not always be there if the SEC or Big 10 schools decide to throw some cash at these recruits we're in on and UC won't be able to match the funds due to our tighter budgets.

It's my belief that if boosters can begin playing athletes, it will further separate the haves from the have-nots.

i don't think the schools are allowed to directly pay athletes. Second, there is a limit to how much money is out there. Sure you hear about some larger sums out there but they tend to be one off type payments. I posted earlier about instagram jokingly but in reality being an instagram influencer is probably the most direct way that a lot of non-elite athletes (think Zion) will make their money. i can also see shoe and apparel companies having WAY more influence now that this becomes all above board. i believe the schools are protected in the sense that student-athletes are unable to engage in sponsorships/endorsements that conflict with those maintained by the institution. That said, i can see a lot of sneaker company affiliated aau teams directing prospects to specific institutions (ergo, nike routing bball players to Oregon and Duke, etc) with the promise of endorsement money. Even that has limits though. Not every prep school prospect ends up being Zion.
Schools can’t , but companies can. I also fear this will hurt Cincinnati in some way because we don’t have as many big donors.

We have 9 Fortune 500 companies in Cincinnati, and 11 in the Tri-State area...5 of which are helmed by UC alumni. If it gets into a coporate situation, I'd say we're in a better situation than the Wake Forests, Utah's, and Kansas's of the world

Don't the top-tier schools have tie-ins to NFL and NBA $$$? After all, those schools are their pipeline....
 
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Let them earn. That’s the American way.
 
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(10-02-2019 07:28 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Let them earn. That’s the American way.

That's certainly an option for those athletes good enough to be drafted by one of the professional leagues. Those who aren't can opt to utilize their scholarships to the fullest, earn a degree (or more), and like the vast majority of us, seek a rewarding job and career in a non-athletic pursuit.
 
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(10-02-2019 08:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:28 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Let them earn. That’s the American way.

That's certainly an option for those athletes good enough to be drafted by one of the professional leagues. Those who aren't can opt to utilize their scholarships to the fullest, earn a degree (or more), and like the vast majority of us, seek a rewarding job and career in a non-athletic pursuit.

Also the American way. USA! USA! USA!
 
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Let's see, how might this work...for example a "school" like, say, Louisville, will recruit like this: Identify prospect, have him meet with Joe Car Dealer donor. In exchange for Car dealer donor to have rights to display picture of recruit in his showroom he pays recruit whatever his previous highest bid has been plus whatever...let's just say in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Every player will have a price to sign. Some may be insignificant but others will be huge. It may be free market (surprised Newsome would be for this) but it simply turns college sports totally professional and maybe worse. What is the point of a college sponsoring a professional football or basketball team?
 
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(10-03-2019 08:51 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  Let's see, how might this work...for example a "school" like, say, Louisville, will recruit like this: Identify prospect, have him meet with Joe Car Dealer donor. In exchange for Car dealer donor to have rights to display picture of recruit in his showroom he pays recruit whatever his previous highest bid has been plus whatever...let's just say in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Every player will have a price to sign. Some may be insignificant but others will be huge. It may be free market (surprised Newsome would be for this) but it simply turns college sports totally professional and maybe worse. What is the point of a college sponsoring a professional football or basketball team?

I think you are blowing this WAY out of proportion...there is no chance that Joe Somebody, a 3* OT from Stebuenville, OH will be out there searching for sponsorship deals, because he ain't worth it, same as the #101 rated basketball recruit from BFN Iowa. This is only going to likely impact the recruitment of say, 100 football players and 60 or so basketball players every year...and we aren't getting those guys anyways (just like 90% of the colleges in the country anyways). Plus, what you fail to notice is that there is no way in hell the numbers you're throwing out would be used for High Schoolers outside of the Top 10 or so kids in each class for football, and any particularly nationally recognizable basketball recruits. Brian Bowen (who you're referencing by the Louisville comment) was paid for by a rogue agent with ties Adidas, one of the largest sporting equipment and apparel brands in the world, not some car dealer down in Bardstown. 90% of the companies in the pockets of colleges can't afford, or wouldn't pay for, a high schooler to play a sport. Skyline isn't going to cut a $50,000 a year check to Desmond Ridder to eat a coney...let's be real here. We're talking about maybe numbers in the $1,000-$10,000 range at most for all but the most highly 'promotable' assets (Tua, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields etc.)
 
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(10-03-2019 08:51 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  Let's see, how might this work...for example a "school" like, say, Louisville, will recruit like this: Identify prospect, have him meet with Joe Car Dealer donor. In exchange for Car dealer donor to have rights to display picture of recruit in his showroom he pays recruit whatever his previous highest bid has been plus whatever...let's just say in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Every player will have a price to sign. Some may be insignificant but others will be huge. It may be free market (surprised Newsome would be for this) but it simply turns college sports totally professional and maybe worse. What is the point of a college sponsoring a professional football or basketball team?

I think you are blowing this WAY out of proportion...there is no chance that Joe Somebody, a 3* OT from Stebuenville, OH will be out there searching for sponsorship deals, because he ain't worth it, same as the #101 rated basketball recruit from BFN Iowa. This is only going to likely impact the recruitment of say, 100 football players and 60 or so basketball players every year...and we aren't getting those guys anyways (just like 90% of the colleges in the country anyways). Plus, what you fail to notice is that there is no way in hell the numbers you're throwing out would be used for High Schoolers outside of the Top 10 or so kids in each class for football, and any particularly nationally recognizable basketball recruits. Brian Bowen (who you're referencing by the Louisville comment) was paid for by a rogue agent with ties Adidas, one of the largest sporting equipment and apparel brands in the world, not some car dealer down in Bardstown. 90% of the companies in the pockets of colleges can't afford, or wouldn't pay for, a high schooler to play a sport. Skyline isn't going to cut a $50,000 a year check to Desmond Ridder to eat a coney...let's be real here. We're talking about maybe numbers in the $1,000-$10,000 range at most for all but the most highly 'promotable' assets (Tua, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields etc.)

It's been going on for years but under the table. Now it's legal and there is no risk to the university for infractions. I'm not talking about companies like Skyline actually expecting to use the likeness or whatever to make money--that might happen. What I'm saying is Joe Somebody will have several offers and there will be bidding from well heeled donors and he will go for the best offer. It's simply professional and I don't know why colleges should be sponsoring professional teams. The amount of money is irrelevant. I used Louisville simply because, in my opinion, they represent the nadir of corruption in college sports.
 
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Skyline should pay Metz to see how many coneys he could eat in 10 minutes
 
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(10-03-2019 09:50 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Skyline should pay Metz to see how many coneys he could eat in 10 minutes

I was thinking Queen City Sausage...the Metz Mett 03-lmfao
 
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(10-03-2019 09:50 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Skyline should pay Metz to see how many coneys he could eat in 10 minutes

I was thinking Queen City Sausage...the Metz Mett 03-lmfao

Liked the Wired Wednesday were Metz commented to Mike Warren about being "Miked up". Warren responded with "That's Metz up".
 
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