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RE: I don't understand poll rankings...
(09-30-2019 02:22 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:57 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 07:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
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(09-29-2019 05:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  Gotta beat UCF. Early rankings are meaningless.

This is not correct at all. Early season rankings mean a ton. Its much harder to climb into and up in the polls if you start the season unranked. And its darn near impossible to jump over a team in the polls if the team above you doesn't lose.

Not to mention the PR that you get from being in the polls which helps with recruiting and increasing the overall brand of the team. The entire reason Boise is above UC is because of this. They have a respected national brand, UC does not.

I argued earlier that playing Ohio State was like a season killer. So much better off playing a buy game against the MAC. Imagine sitting 4-0 going into Friday.

A program like Cincinnati should never play road games at elite programs. Those games can become season and reputation killers. Play anyone else and you give yourself a chance at a special season.

Finally, someone who gets it. I've been preaching this for years. Everyone gets excited when UC schedules high profile teams like OSU and Michigan. The reality is those games are horrible for UC right now. Getting blown out by OSU just keeps UC's football reputation at the second-class level. Look at the 2009 season when UC was undefeated. They scheduled winnable games against Illinois and Fresno and thus finished the season #3 and one play from playing in the national championship. If they had scheduled OSU that season and lost they aren't even in the Top 10.

Being 12-0 with a questionable schedule is ALWAYS better than being 11-1 with a blowout loss to the only good team on the schedule.

I agree with your premise. But scheduling doesn't occur in a perfect world. With football game contracts signed as much as a decade in advance who knows what you'll get when you reach the opening coin toss any given year? OSU may just have their best team ever this year until proven differently; a tough draw for UC and everyone else on the Buckeyes schedule so far. But it originally was a cash rich deal over the long term that was pretty enticing when UC needed a stadium modernization and practice facility to keep growing our program.

Conversely, we got a pair of games with Purdue when they were worse than most of the MAC and convincingly swept a B10 opponent, home and away. Ditto, UCLA.

How about this today from espn.com,

To date, Alabama and Clemson have occupied nine of 20 total CFP spots since the playoff began in 2014. Throw in Oklahoma and Ohio State, and four teams have accounted for 14 bids.

Unless it's some home and home arrangement or just too much money to ignore, let's not schedule any of those four again anytime soon. A super elite class has emerged in college football that appears unbeatable by more than 95% of the other schools.

I've posted this before, but IMHO a consequence of the CFP is to create a super-class of teams. Sure, schools like Ohio State has always have had historic advantages and resources, but now schools like OSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Georgia and a few others are recruiting at an extremely high level compared to the rest of the field (including other P5 schools). As a UK buddy of mine commented about OSU FB, they have been recruiting like Calipari does in basketball, taking the top players in the country at every position group. If OSU doesn't get the top player in the country, they are getting a top 5. A decade ago they were often recruiting three and four star guys. The others schools I mentioned are doing this as well.

During the OSU week CLF commented before the game UC should be playing schools like Pitt, WVU, Louisville and VT OOC. I think he is right. Very few teams go into OSU, Alabama, LSU, etc. and beat them at their place-- the only ones who are doing it one of the few I mentioned above.
 
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(09-30-2019 08:12 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I'll side with those who say rankings do matter, given the box the G5 has been placed in by the CFP system.

I had to laugh out loud this weekend when I saw that it took two polls to get three AAC teams ranked. It's as if there is an unwritten rule that no more than two G5 teams from a single conference can be ranked in any one poll. Pick some teams ranked higher and see how deserving those teams are. #18 Michigan is my poster child this week on how ludicrous this system really is. Wins over dumpster fire Rutgers, Middle Tennessee, and a last gasp win over a good G5 Army squad. Harbaugh's record against teams with a pulse is abysmal.

So we should be pulling for multiple AAC teams to be ranked and for Boise to stumble, if the American wants to continue to build the P6 narrative.

The fact that the AAC is potentially a P6 kind of works against it in some aspects. The teams in our conference will play a much harder schedule than Boise who has a better shot of making it through their conference without any stumbles.
 
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(09-30-2019 02:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  During the OSU week CLF commented before the game UC should be playing schools like Pitt, WVU, Louisville and VT OOC. I think he is right. Very few teams go into OSU, Alabama, LSU, etc. and beat them at their place-- the only ones who are doing it one of the few I mentioned above.

Wasn't part of those comments with regard to [some] fans' support of playing a regional team to take advantage of travel/re-building a rival? In any event, outside of playing at Notre Dame we will not play an elite P5 team any time soon. Our future OOC P5 opponents are Nebraska, Indiana, Arkansas [away game only], NC State, Pitt, and Boston College. Those teams are more in line on an equivalent level of talent/depth. Of course, unless we take a step down once Fick leaves LOL.

On a side note to our future scheduling, what hurts a bit is we do not play a home game against a P5 until 2022 against Indiana. That year we are also on the road at Arkansas. In 2020 UC plays at Nebraska and in 2021 we play at Notre Dame and at Indiana.
 
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(09-30-2019 03:48 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:33 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  During the OSU week CLF commented before the game UC should be playing schools like Pitt, WVU, Louisville and VT OOC. I think he is right. Very few teams go into OSU, Alabama, LSU, etc. and beat them at their place-- the only ones who are doing it one of the few I mentioned above.

Wasn't part of those comments with regard to [some] fans' support of playing a regional team to take advantage of travel/re-building a rival? In any event, outside of playing at Notre Dame we will not play an elite P5 team any time soon. Our future OOC P5 opponents are Nebraska, Indiana, Arkansas [away game only], NC State, Pitt, and Boston College. Those teams are more in line on an equivalent level of talent/depth. Of course, unless we take a step down once Fick leaves LOL.

On a side note to our future scheduling, what hurts a bit is we do not play a home game against a P5 until 2022 against Indiana. That year we are also on the road at Arkansas. In 2020 UC plays at Nebraska and in 2021 we play at Notre Dame and at Indiana.

But we do have home games against P5s in 2022, 2024, 2025, 2026, and 2029. 3 straight years of P5 home games is big.

And there's still time to schedule more in 2023, 2027, and 2028. We already have 2 home games in 2022 (if you count PBS as home), 2025, 2026, and 2029. So it'll be easy for us to fit in a home-and-home in those years.

In 2026 we actually have all four OOC games already scheduled, and they're all in Ohio: Boston College and WKU at home, @Ohio U, and vs Miami in PBS.
 
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I'll be curious to see how many votes we get if we beat Ucf. The loss to Pitt makes me wonder.
 
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(10-01-2019 11:25 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I'll be curious to see how many votes we get if we beat Ucf. The loss to Pitt makes me wonder.

I envision if we beat UCF we'll come in somewhere around 26-28 and if we beat Houston next weekend we'll be in the 20-23 range. Part of me thinks if we're in the low 20s at 5-1 that'd be underrated and part of me thinks that'd be about accurate.
 
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(10-01-2019 12:39 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:25 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I'll be curious to see how many votes we get if we beat Ucf. The loss to Pitt makes me wonder.

I envision if we beat UCF we'll come in somewhere around 26-28 and if we beat Houston next weekend we'll be in the 20-23 range. Part of me thinks if we're in the low 20s at 5-1 that'd be underrated and part of me thinks that'd be about accurate.

Good assessment. If UC earns lots of style points Friday night it may go higher; win by one point and your numbers will be spot on. Who could have imagined after the humiliation at OSU the trajectory of both teams since that game? UC still has most everything to play for still in 2019.
 
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These early rankings make as much sense as early bowl projections. Both done by uninformed hacks. I just saw a bowl projection that had USF in a bowl? Come on man!
 
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