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(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

The problem with this is that we've gotten worse since the bowl season, not better. One would think coming off a bowl, with a strong winning tradition, every game sold out (at the time), and a new stadium in the works things would have continued to improve, or at least stayed consistent.

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

You left off App state who has the best transition record and who completely wiped the floor with us. Maybe that's why you forgot about them.

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(08-20-2019 04:42 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

You left off App state who has the best transition record and who completely wiped the floor with us. Maybe that's why you forgot about them.

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He might've purposefully left them out since that will not help his argument. Also one similarity between all those schools he mentioned is they all had more than one coach in their first 5 FBS seasons and some had more than 2 and some didn't even let a coach go more than 2 seasons with losing records.

(08-20-2019 04:42 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

You left off App state who has the best transition record and who completely wiped the floor with us. Maybe that's why you forgot about them.

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Boise St, 32-23 in it's first 5 years, and Marshall at 54-11 in it's first 5 years also come to mind.

What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

The context is good, but as others have mentioned I wonder how many of these went through coaching changes through these 5 years, warranting a rebuild. Again as other posters said, I wonder why you left off the most successful FBS transition teams. I don't want to accuse you of narrowing down your choices to your desired output as you stated another poster was doing earlier.

As another poster mentioned, the total record is one thing, the trend is another. I am sincerely rooting for it to get better but there is nothing supporting that it will until we see them play. How does one go from winning a bowl game to 5 and 4 win seasons? It's always an assistant's fault, apparently. It almost looks like the 10 win season was a fluke. I hope that's not the case.

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

Everyone must stay out of the ball-carrier's way, both coaches enter into negotiations about salvage, and the game must not take place in areas of increased pirate activity without adequate counter-piracy measures in place.

And if someone says Law of the Sea, throw a flag.

(08-20-2019 04:21 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

The problem with this is that we've gotten worse since the bowl season, not better. One would think coming off a bowl, with a strong winning tradition, every game sold out (at the time), and a new stadium in the works things would have continued to improve, or at least stayed consistent.

We certainly aren't as good as that team. You would hope it was just a constant arc. Even ignoring the 10 win season, our start was better than a bunch of those teams.

(08-20-2019 04:42 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

You left off App state who has the best transition record and who completely wiped the floor with us. Maybe that's why you forgot about them.

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Yep, they did. App State is probably tops out of all of them.

(08-20-2019 08:35 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 03:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.

The context is good, but as others have mentioned I wonder how many of these went through coaching changes through these 5 years, warranting a rebuild. Again as other posters said, I wonder why you left off the most successful FBS transition teams. I don't want to accuse you of narrowing down your choices to your desired output as you stated another poster was doing earlier.

As another poster mentioned, the total record is one thing, the trend is another. I am sincerely rooting for it to get better but there is nothing supporting that it will until we see them play. How does one go from winning a bowl game to 5 and 4 win seasons? It's always an assistant's fault, apparently. It almost looks like the 10 win season was a fluke. I hope that's not the case.

I forgot App State. They go through coaching changes because they don't win (or win too much in App States instance), which isn't what happened with us. Marshall was 30 years ago, not really applicable today.

Some teams also possibly had the advantage of years and years of football. We essentially moved up to FBS with 1 recruiting cycle in FCS.

Bottom line, we still need to win. But, considering the circumstance, our program has been extremely good. Track record only buys so much time.

Coach Wilder is 0 - 3 during games with John the Baptist preaching at 49th and Hampton Blvd.

Sorry... Im not one who is known to sing a lot of Kumbaya on here, but this thread is inappropriate at this time.

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(08-20-2019 08:41 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

Everyone must stay out of the ball-carrier's way, both coaches enter into negotiations about salvage, and the game must not take place in areas of increased pirate activity without adequate counter-piracy measures in place.

And if someone says Law of the Sea, throw a flag.

Are confetti cannons considered "adequate anti-piracy measures"?

(08-21-2019 05:45 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:41 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

Everyone must stay out of the ball-carrier's way, both coaches enter into negotiations about salvage, and the game must not take place in areas of increased pirate activity without adequate counter-piracy measures in place.

And if someone says Law of the Sea, throw a flag.

Are confetti cannons considered "adequate anti-piracy measures"?

Our howitzer has always been adequate for the level of pirate activity we have experienced in the past, as we have always held the filthy raiders from across the river at bay. Current intel suggests the possibility of a raid from this fall from that group of buccaneers to the south, and they are reported to be more of a threat than the local brigands -- but I have no doubts that with our howitzer, we will soundly defeat them and send them whimpering and sniveling back to whence they came.

Between the Chicken Bowl win and beating Va. Tech last year, I think Wood has enough good will to last the balance of his current contract. That could change if ticket sales plummet after this season.

I think Coach Wilder has earned enough capital to recruit a few classes with the new stadium. However, a losing season this year should make him start sweating. The Bahamas Bowl win seems like a decade ago. Hot seat vote for me.

Agreed. I put him on the hot seat but I don't think he's going anywhere this season unless there is some sort of catastrophic locker room revolt. But I don't see that happening.

My interpretation of the hot seat is that he should feel some pressure. It's now or never to get over that FBS transition hump. New stadium. New team. Should hopefully see recruiting really take a tick up with 2020 recruits but with the volume of transfers we have we dug ourselves kind of a 2 year hole until all the FR and RSF are So and Jr's to get back in balance.

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

I'm pleased to report I've gone back and looked to answer the question about full moons. I took games that were either on a full moon or +/- 1 day from a full moon.

Based on this criteria, we are 5-4. We are currently on a 3 game losing streak, but our very first football game was one day after a full moon. How did you know to ask the question?!

Going in reverse chronological order:

24NOV18 (full moon 23NOV): L @ Rice
17SEP16 (full moon 16SEP): L @ NC State
19OCT13 (full moon 18OCT): L @ Pitt
16NOV13 (full moon 17NOV): W vs Campbell
29SEP12 (full moon 30SEP): W @ Richmond
01SEP12 (full moon 31AUG): W vs Duquesne
20NOV10 (full moon 21NOV): W vs NC Central
03OCT09 (full moon 4OCT): L vs Fordham
05SEP09 (full moon 4SEP): W vs Chowan (inaugural game)

Other notes...
Saturday, Nov 4 2017 was a Saturday with a full moon, but it was a bye week.
Sunday, Oct 16 2016 was a Sunday with a full moon, but the Sat before was a bye week.

(08-21-2019 06:30 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 05:45 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:41 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

Everyone must stay out of the ball-carrier's way, both coaches enter into negotiations about salvage, and the game must not take place in areas of increased pirate activity without adequate counter-piracy measures in place.

And if someone says Law of the Sea, throw a flag.

Are confetti cannons considered "adequate anti-piracy measures"?

Our howitzer has always been adequate for the level of pirate activity we have experienced in the past, as we have always held the filthy raiders from across the river at bay. Current intel suggests the possibility of a raid from this fall from that group of buccaneers to the south, and they are reported to be more of a threat than the local brigands -- but I have no doubts that with our howitzer, we will soundly defeat them and send them whimpering and sniveling back to whence they came.

How did I forget about the howitzer?!?!?!?!

(08-21-2019 08:18 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

I'm pleased to report I've gone back and looked to answer the question about full moons. I took games that were either on a full moon or +/- 1 day from a full moon.

Based on this criteria, we are 5-4. We are currently on a 3 game losing streak, but our very first football game was one day after a full moon. How did you know to ask the question?!

Going in reverse chronological order:

24NOV18 (full moon 23NOV): L @ Rice
17SEP16 (full moon 16SEP): L @ NC State
19OCT13 (full moon 18OCT): L @ Pitt
16NOV13 (full moon 17NOV): W vs Campbell
29SEP12 (full moon 30SEP): W @ Richmond
01SEP12 (full moon 31AUG): W vs Duquesne
20NOV10 (full moon 21NOV): W vs NC Central
03OCT09 (full moon 4OCT): L vs Fordham
05SEP09 (full moon 4SEP): W vs Chowan (inaugural game)

Other notes...
Saturday, Nov 4 2017 was a Saturday with a full moon, but it was a bye week.
Sunday, Oct 16 2016 was a Sunday with a full moon, but the Sat before was a bye week.

We now know who the werewolf of the group is...