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Poll: If Coach Wilder suffers another losing season, should ODU
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Fire him. 54.35% 75 54.35%
Put him on the hot seat. 29.71% 41 29.71%
Do nothing. Coach Wilder is on "solid footing" 15.94% 22 15.94%
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
So really I just need someone to engage an epileptic badger and discuss ODU football...
08-21-2019 09:30 AM
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-21-2019 09:28 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 06:30 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 05:45 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:41 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

Everyone must stay out of the ball-carrier's way, both coaches enter into negotiations about salvage, and the game must not take place in areas of increased pirate activity without adequate counter-piracy measures in place.

And if someone says Law of the Sea, throw a flag.


Are confetti cannons considered "adequate anti-piracy measures"?

Our howitzer has always been adequate for the level of pirate activity we have experienced in the past, as we have always held the filthy raiders from across the river at bay. Current intel suggests the possibility of a raid from this fall from that group of buccaneers to the south, and they are reported to be more of a threat than the local brigands -- but I have no doubts that with our howitzer, we will soundly defeat them and send them whimpering and sniveling back to whence they came.

How did I forget about the howitzer?!?!?!?!

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I’ve always wanted them to lower the barrel and point it at the visiting team.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-21-2019 09:30 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 08:18 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:20 PM)Grommet Wrote:  What's our record during full moons?
...vs epileptic badgers?
...in games governed by Maritime Law?

I'm pleased to report I've gone back and looked to answer the question about full moons. I took games that were either on a full moon or +/- 1 day from a full moon.

Based on this criteria, we are 5-4. We are currently on a 3 game losing streak, but our very first football game was one day after a full moon. How did you know to ask the question?!

Going in reverse chronological order:

24NOV18 (full moon 23NOV): L @ Rice
17SEP16 (full moon 16SEP): L @ NC State
19OCT13 (full moon 18OCT): L @ Pitt
16NOV13 (full moon 17NOV): W vs Campbell
29SEP12 (full moon 30SEP): W @ Richmond
01SEP12 (full moon 31AUG): W vs Duquesne
20NOV10 (full moon 21NOV): W vs NC Central
03OCT09 (full moon 4OCT): L vs Fordham
05SEP09 (full moon 4SEP): W vs Chowan (inaugural game)

Other notes...
Saturday, Nov 4 2017 was a Saturday with a full moon, but it was a bye week.
Sunday, Oct 16 2016 was a Sunday with a full moon, but the Sat before was a bye week.

We now know who the werewolf of the group is...COGS

I found it troubling that none of our games were on the actual day of the full moon. Perhaps it's our scheduler. Definitely not me. Stop looking at me.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
You better stay away from him
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  You better stay away from him
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim

Oooh, I love Kid Rock!
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-22-2019 07:55 PM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  You better stay away from him
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim

Oooh, I love Kid Rock!

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-22-2019 09:25 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 07:55 PM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-22-2019 07:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  You better stay away from him
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim

Oooh, I love Kid Rock!

Warren Zevon

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See, the joke was that ole Rob took the the whole piano riff from Zevon's 1978 Werewolves and incorporated it into his 2007 song All Night Long
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
Not a huge fan of this taking place right before the start of the season, but I only see Bobby staying if we either: 1) Go to a bowl game or 2) Win 5 games and one of the wins is over UVA or VT.

Results matter, and one bowl game in 5 years just doesn't cut it.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
Could someone please find and repost to Groundhogs Board my yearly rant about how it took Alabama and VT 40 years to make it to a bowl game. I am entirely too lazy to search for it.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
And I think one of them lost to a HS in their first decade. Y'all would have filleted your arteries were that ODU.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 09:01 AM)Murray007 Wrote:  Not a huge fan of this taking place right before the start of the season, but I only see Bobby staying if we either: 1) Go to a bowl game or 2) Win 5 games and one of the wins is over UVA or VT.

Results matter, and one bowl game in 5 years just doesn't cut it.

Here comes the BS flag. One bowl game in the first five (actually three) years of FBS football exceeds expectations. On top of that:

1. He built this program from scratch and won 17 of 22 in his first two years for an amazing 77.3% winning percentage.
2. In his third year, the Monarchs finished the season ranked 10th in FCS and made the FCS playoffs.
3. In his fourth year, the Monarchs finished the season ranked 6th in FCS and again made the playoffs going to the quarter-finals.
4. In his fifth year and first transition year to FCS, the Monarchs were 8-4.
5. In his sixth year and second transition year to FBS, the Monarchs were 6-6 and techinically bowl eligible.
6. In his seventh and ninth years, the Monarchs were 5-7, missing bowl eligibility by one game in both years.
7. In his 8th year, the Monarchs were 10-3, tied for first in the West Division and won their bowl game.
8. Through his first 8 years, he won 67 of 97 games for a 69.1% winning percentage.
9. Even with only 9 wins in the last two years, he still has a 62.8% overall winning percentage. In other words he is averaging 7.5 wins per year and, on average, being bowl eligible every year.

Yes, the last two seasons have been down. If he had come to ODU and averaged 4.5 wins over his first three or four seasons, yeah, I would agree we need to try again. But that is not the case. Frankly, this whole thread is bull****.
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Big Grin RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
Sigh. Not nearly as lazy as i give myself credit for.

VT: 54 yrs from start-up to 1st bowl game
94 yrs to 1st bowl win.
25 of 32 bowl appearances are in their current streak
which leaves 7 appearances in their first 100 years

Alabama: 34 years, first bowl was a win

ODU: 7 yrs, first bowl was a win.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
Not really apples to apples though. Weren't there a LOT fewer bowl games back then? The better comparison would be how long before they had their first back to back winning seasons as FBS level programs.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Not really apples to apples though. Weren't there a LOT fewer bowl games back then? The better comparison would be how long before they had their first back to back winning seasons as FBS level programs.

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 11:34 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Here comes the BS flag. One bowl game in the first five (actually three) years of FBS football exceeds expectations. On top of that:

1. He built this program from scratch and won 17 of 22 in his first two years for an amazing 77.3% winning percentage.
2. In his third year, the Monarchs finished the season ranked 10th in FCS and made the FCS playoffs.
3. In his fourth year, the Monarchs finished the season ranked 6th in FCS and again made the playoffs going to the quarter-finals.
4. In his fifth year and first transition year to FCS, the Monarchs were 8-4.
5. In his sixth year and second transition year to FBS, the Monarchs were 6-6 and techinically bowl eligible.
6. In his seventh and ninth years, the Monarchs were 5-7, missing bowl eligibility by one game in both years.
7. In his 8th year, the Monarchs were 10-3, tied for first in the West Division and won their bowl game.
8. Through his first 8 years, he won 67 of 97 games for a 69.1% winning percentage.
9. Even with only 9 wins in the last two years, he still has a 62.8% overall winning percentage. In other words he is averaging 7.5 wins per year and, on average, being bowl eligible every year.

Yes, the last two seasons have been down. If he had come to ODU and averaged 4.5 wins over his first three or four seasons, yeah, I would agree we need to try again. But that is not the case. Frankly, this whole thread is bull****.

I get your points, and there are some good ones, but I'm still not convinced that Bobby gets another year if we only win 4 or less games.

For better or worse, we are in the bowl subdivision. If we aren't making bowls, or having the wins to have the opportunity to go to one, then we aren't fulfilling one of the major points of having an FBS team.

But, there is a good counter argument to the above point, and it's that winning the big OOC games makes up for the lack of a bowl appearance. ODU as an institution got more out of the VT win that we would have with most bowl games. I don't live in Hampton Roads anymore, but even in my office ODU was mentioned for the next week (02-13-banana02-13-banana). Honestly, I think the VT win is a huge pro in Bobby's favor - that win was far more important than a bowl game in my opinion.

Specifically about your points: I would throw all the FCS results (points 1-4) out of the window. There were a number of reasons ODU was so successful from the beginning, and Bobby was obviously a part of that, but I'm not sure our FCS results should matter at all when Wood is deciding on Wilder's future. Likewise, I wouldn't consider our FCS wins as part of Wilder's overall winning percentage because that's not relevant to our team anymore.

Let's hope this discussion is all a moot point, ODU does well this year and most years, and Bobby stays until he retires! 04-cheers
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 11:19 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Could someone please find and repost to Groundhogs Board my yearly rant about how it took Alabama and VT 40 years to make it to a bowl game. I am entirely too lazy to search for it.

Sooo we should expect to wait 40 Years? Maybe 400 since we aren't VT or Alabama? What about those schools that made it in their first year? Should we set that as the expectation instead? How do we choose which irrelevant historical fact to use here?
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(08-23-2019 12:49 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 11:19 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Could someone please find and repost to Groundhogs Board my yearly rant about how it took Alabama and VT 40 years to make it to a bowl game. I am entirely too lazy to search for it.

Sooo we should expect to wait 40 Years? Maybe 400 since we aren't VT or Alabama? What about those schools that made it in their first year? Should we set that as the expectation instead? How do we choose which irrelevant historical fact to use here?

Those were the days when you had to be really good to make the 4 bowls that existed. Today, with too many bowls, one has to only attain mediocrity to go bowling. And we ain't there!
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 01:11 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 12:49 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 11:19 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Could someone please find and repost to Groundhogs Board my yearly rant about how it took Alabama and VT 40 years to make it to a bowl game. I am entirely too lazy to search for it.

Sooo we should expect to wait 40 Years? Maybe 400 since we aren't VT or Alabama? What about those schools that made it in their first year? Should we set that as the expectation instead? How do we choose which irrelevant historical fact to use here?

Those were the days when you had to be really good to make the 4 bowls that existed. Today, with too many bowls, one has to only attain mediocrity to go bowling. And we ain't there!

How dare you bring reason and reality into this. We need to suck more at this level and have our season tix holders number diminish significantly before the love for BW melts away on this boards. This thread is a little premature but we will see what it takes to convince the admin to make a change.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 12:05 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Not really apples to apples though. Weren't there a LOT fewer bowl games back then? The better comparison would be how long before they had their first back to back winning seasons as FBS level programs.

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-23-2019 03:24 PM)Grommet Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 12:05 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(08-23-2019 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Not really apples to apples though. Weren't there a LOT fewer bowl games back then? The better comparison would be how long before they had their first back to back winning seasons as FBS level programs.

The mind wants to see what it wants to see. 03-drunk

That blade cuts both ways.

True, No denying that. I'd rather have coaches that can produce results more often than not and move on to better jobs than have someone who is mediocre at best and can't even give us semi-consistent success at FBS level.
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