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Poll: If Coach Wilder suffers another losing season, should ODU
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Fire him. 54.35% 75 54.35%
Put him on the hot seat. 29.71% 41 29.71%
Do nothing. Coach Wilder is on "solid footing" 15.94% 22 15.94%
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)
Yes I did miss the post season game.

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record.

FACTS. Some people just cant accept 'em.

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.

Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 11:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  30-31 sounds ok, right?

Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Of those 25 FBS wins, only 4 (in 5 seasons) have been against teams with winning records, 2 of those 4 being from the Heinicke led 2014 season. (LT, Rice)
The others were FIU in 2017 and UNT in 2018
Even the vaunted VT win was against a VT team that ended the season with a losing record.

During our, what now appears to me to be anomalous (at least with respect to defense), 2016 season we did not have one win against a team with a winning record.
More often than not, our losses to +.500 competition are blowouts.
Further, of our two best seasons:
2014 was led by mostly FCS players.
2016 was led by FCS QB David Washington and FCS WR Zach Pascal.

07-coffee3

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.

Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

How the heck would a 2015 UTEP team with 5-7 record become a winning team with a win vs Us. They'd split even with a win on the other hand 2016 UTSA team might have gone 7-6 with a win vs Us again hypothetically. If you want to stick with BW that is fine and your opinion and choice as a fan but don't show us poop and say its porridge. Not gonna fly. Again to each his own.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:54 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

But they didn't


But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.

Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

How the heck would a 2015 UTEP team with 5-7 record become a winning team with a win vs Us. They'd split even with a win on the other hand 2016 UTSA team might have gone 7-6 with a win vs Us again hypothetically. If you want to stick with BW that is fine and your opinion and choice as a fan but don't show us poop and say its porridge. Not gonna fly. Again to each his own.

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

?

Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:05 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.

Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500. Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

You also missed: win over EMU in the bowl game and win over USM (2016)

Quote:If VT would have beaten us, they would have been over .500 and had a bowl game.
VT did go to a bowl game and lost to Cincy to finish at 6-7

Quote:Had UTSA (2016) beat us, they would have been over .500
But they didn't

Quote:Had UTEP (2015) beat us they would have been .500 and likely a bowl team.

But they didn't

Had frogs had wings they wouldn't have hopped around on their butts all the time.
But they didn't

04-cheers

So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.

Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.


From the original post:
Quote:Let's look at this in a different way. Versus FBS competition we are 25-31.

2014 5-6
2015 4-7
2016 9-3
2017 4-7
2018 3-8

Notice the posted records from each season are also only of the FBS games.
That is not narrowing the choices to any "desired: output other than I felt it relevant to include only FBS games.
Indeed why would one want to include FCS games in this type of analysis? It seems to me that the FCS cupcakes skew the results, not vice versa.
Also note that while I missed naming it directly, the EMU bowl game is included in the overall total and the season total, so the numbers do not change.
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(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?
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(08-20-2019 12:56 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:54 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:15 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So, kudos to ODU beating teams that would have been .500 had they not lost to ODU?

Not sure of your point .500 is not a winning record. My premise was beating teams with a winning record. Even had they beaten us they would not have had a winning record. Only VT would have been +.500 as one of the UTSA wins was vs FCS competition and I was talking only FBS. That works both ways.

Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

How the heck would a 2015 UTEP team with 5-7 record become a winning team with a win vs Us. They'd split even with a win on the other hand 2016 UTSA team might have gone 7-6 with a win vs Us again hypothetically. If you want to stick with BW that is fine and your opinion and choice as a fan but don't show us poop and say its porridge. Not gonna fly. Again to each his own.

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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:57 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

?

Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.

What does getting the season started matter? There is a clear hypothetical proposed, it may come to pass, or it may not, but the question relates to that hypothetical. You don't need to see how the season turned out since the question implies that your decision is based on one potential scenario.

Frankly, I think the whole, so and so needs to win X games to keep his job stuff is idiotic. If the body of work and current trends indicate that the coach is good enough to consistently get you where you want to go, then you should keep the coach. If the body of work and trends indicate that the coach is incapable of consistently getting you to where you want to be, the you should fire him. Why would you base your decision to retain an employee who makes nearly $1M a year on one out of the dozen seasons that they have been in charge?
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 12:57 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

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Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.

Yeah, I gotta say I hope his seat is hot but agree that it's pretty ****** timing for a post like this.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:57 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

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Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.

What does getting the season started matter? There is a clear hypothetical proposed, it may come to pass, or it may not, but the question relates to that hypothetical. You don't need to see how the season turned out since the question implies that your decision is based on one potential scenario.

Frankly, I think the whole, so and so needs to win X games to keep his job stuff is idiotic. If the body of work and current trends indicate that the coach is good enough to consistently get you where you want to go, then you should keep the coach. If the body of work and trends indicate that the coach is incapable of consistently getting you to where you want to be, the you should fire him. Why would you base your decision to retain an employee who makes nearly $1M a year on one out of the dozen seasons that they have been in charge?

I must have missed the clear hypothetical proposed. What is it?

You don't think the coach should be retained if he goes 12-0? I'm an idiot for wanting to wait and see what happens in 2 months, when this poll could've been created 9 months ago and we'd have just as much info as we do right now?
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
After hiring a new coaching staff Wilder bought himself 2 years. They have this year and next year to start recruiting better talent. This year is going to be a long one... next year we need to see significant improvement.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 01:25 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:57 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

?

Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.

What does getting the season started matter? There is a clear hypothetical proposed, it may come to pass, or it may not, but the question relates to that hypothetical. You don't need to see how the season turned out since the question implies that your decision is based on one potential scenario.

Frankly, I think the whole, so and so needs to win X games to keep his job stuff is idiotic. If the body of work and current trends indicate that the coach is good enough to consistently get you where you want to go, then you should keep the coach. If the body of work and trends indicate that the coach is incapable of consistently getting you to where you want to be, the you should fire him. Why would you base your decision to retain an employee who makes nearly $1M a year on one out of the dozen seasons that they have been in charge?

I must have missed the clear hypothetical proposed. What is it?

You don't think the coach should be retained if he goes 12-0? I'm an idiot for wanting to wait and see what happens in 2 months, when this poll could've been created 9 months ago and we'd have just as much info as we do right now?

Me too. Apparently the question is posted at the top of the poll - "If he suffers another losing season, should he be let go."

Then yes. I was ready to fire him at the end of last year because I don't see it getting any better. But since we're in for this season, Go get 'em Bobby.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 01:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:25 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:57 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As to the poll; I am surprised that the "Fire Him" is leading and the "Do nothing" is lagging. I would have expected the numbers in those categories to be be reversed.

?

Technically I'm in the "Do nothing" category as of this exact moment in time, or maybe "hot seat", but I don't want to participate in this poll until at least some of the season is underway. I think this is honestly the worst time to post a poll like this... 2 weeks before the season opener... but hey, it's still the offseason I guess so why not.

What does getting the season started matter? There is a clear hypothetical proposed, it may come to pass, or it may not, but the question relates to that hypothetical. You don't need to see how the season turned out since the question implies that your decision is based on one potential scenario.

Frankly, I think the whole, so and so needs to win X games to keep his job stuff is idiotic. If the body of work and current trends indicate that the coach is good enough to consistently get you where you want to go, then you should keep the coach. If the body of work and trends indicate that the coach is incapable of consistently getting you to where you want to be, the you should fire him. Why would you base your decision to retain an employee who makes nearly $1M a year on one out of the dozen seasons that they have been in charge?

I must have missed the clear hypothetical proposed. What is it?

You don't think the coach should be retained if he goes 12-0? I'm an idiot for wanting to wait and see what happens in 2 months, when this poll could've been created 9 months ago and we'd have just as much info as we do right now?

Me too. Apparently the question is posted at the top of the poll - "If he suffers another losing season, should he be let go."

Then yes. I was ready to fire him at the end of last year because I don't see it getting any better. But since we're in for this season, Go get 'em Bobby.

On one hand, it appears I missed it then. On the other hand, I'm glad I'm not the only one. Do I still hate this poll in particular? Yes.
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RE: The 2019 Official Fire Coach Wilder Thread. Anniversary Edition.
(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 12:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Umm, thats the point. The teams I mentioned would have been if they beat us.

I didn't read that you were only taking FBS wins in your calculations. Seems like you are narrowing down your choices to your desired output.

You are suggesting that beating teams that are at or near .500 is an accomplishment. It's not. And having only 5 of them in 5 years is pretty bad, even if you decide to increase it to 7 based on your criteria.

And yes, the OP was considering records vs FBS teams. It's not to reach a desired output, it's to compare apples to apples. Why should a victory against an FCS team as a full FBS team be counted as a strength?

Compare this our peers. How many wins did other startups have vs. .500 or better teams in their first 5 years?

Not going through every team. Charlotte has 12 wins total in 4 years (12-36 overall).

WKY had 18 wins total. (18-37)

UTSA had 22 wins total (22-26)

Georgia Southern had 35 wins total (35-27)

UMASS had 10 wins total (10-50)

Georgia State had 17 wins total (17-44)


In general, any wins by FBS startups within the first few years is an accomplishment. Im not sure how many over .500 wins those teams had (really pointless), but I would put our startup record against all of those outside of Georgia Southern (and possibly others I can't think of off the top of head).

I agree, now that we have a new (renovated) stadium and we are 5 years in, we are moving out of the startup phase. But, if you want to talk track record (ignoring FCS, which was outstanding), our track record for the first 5 years in the FBS is really good..whether you look at wins, wins vs. .500, wins vs. FBS, wins vs. P5, etc. Wilder is going to have to have consistent winners in the very near future...if you want to judge him based on track record overall, it's been very good. People, for some reason, expected us to be an established program right out of the gate. Was that because we were so good in FCS out of the gate? We've been spoiled.
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