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(09-26-2019 06:20 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 05:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think this is a bigger loser for DISH than Fox. Fox channels aren't anywhere near as expensive as ESPN/Disney.

Like I've said elsewhere, it's really a catch-22 for everyone involved.

The biggest reason why people choose to drop cable/satellite is the high price, which is caused the most by sports channels.

At the same time, though, the biggest reason why people choose to keep cable/satellite is for sports. The vast majority of everything else on TV can be obtained through other sources (e.g. OTA, Netflix, Hulu, etc.).

Really? I keep cable because my wife likes female-oriented channels. Otherwise, I would just pay for Youtube TV, which seems to offer plenty of sports channels for $50 a month.

Actually, I think the biggest reason people keep cable or satellite is for the local channels. But more people are rediscovering OTA. At least those who get a pretty good signal. The rural people will have to stay with cable or satellite.

FWIW, where I live, if I got Youtube TV, I would get all the major local OTAs. I suspect that's true in most places.
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(09-26-2019 07:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 05:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think this is a bigger loser for DISH than Fox. Fox channels aren't anywhere near as expensive as ESPN/Disney.

Like I've said elsewhere, it's really a catch-22 for everyone involved.

The biggest reason why people choose to drop cable/satellite is the high price, which is caused the most by sports channels.

At the same time, though, the biggest reason why people choose to keep cable/satellite is for sports. The vast majority of everything else on TV can be obtained through other sources (e.g. OTA, Netflix, Hulu, etc.).

Really? I keep cable because my wife likes female-oriented channels. Otherwise, I would just pay for Youtube TV, which seems to offer plenty of sports channels for $50 a month.

Sure since you’re also accommodating the needs of your spouse. Of course, would you be willing to switch to a service that has the female-oriented channels but none of the sports channels? If the answer is no, then that shows the leverage that sports channels have over any service that bundles channels (whether it’s cable, satellite or streaming).

Nope, I need something that meets both our needs.

In my case, I could probably put a patchwork of Youtube and Netflix or something together that would do that for about $65 a month as opposed to the $110 or so a month of my cable bill that goes towards my cable TV.

The reason I don't is a problem I suspect others have as well: My cable company also has essentially a monopoly on the underlying internet service. They charge me $50 a month for my WiFi/internet, but I get a "bundle discount" because I also get the cable TV. If i told them I was dropping their TV, I would lose that discount and be charged $100 a month for the internet, essentially wiping out the savings of cutting the cord.
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(09-26-2019 07:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Isnt Thursday night football simulcast on NFL network?

If so Dish subs who lost their local Fox are good for toniht2

it is for those that have the sports package I'd guess.

This is where Dish can pacify angry customers by giving them NFL network for free until this is resolved
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(09-27-2019 08:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 07:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Isnt Thursday night football simulcast on NFL network?

If so Dish subs who lost their local Fox are good for toniht2

it is for those that have the sports package I'd guess.

This is where Dish can pacify angry customers by giving them NFL network for free until this is resolved

Except they have to pay NFL Network for each of those "new" subcribers.
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(09-26-2019 02:21 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  YouTube TV is your answer.

Agree, YT is an awesome platform.
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(09-27-2019 08:28 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 08:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 07:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Isnt Thursday night football simulcast on NFL network?

If so Dish subs who lost their local Fox are good for toniht2

it is for those that have the sports package I'd guess.

This is where Dish can pacify angry customers by giving them NFL network for free until this is resolved

Except they have to pay NFL Network for each of those "new" subcribers.

Paying for them to have NFL network is likely cheaper than paying for that person to have their local Fox, FS1,FS2, and BTN

They could also send a Tech to the persons house and install an antenna for them to get Fox OTA
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(09-27-2019 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 08:28 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 08:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 07:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Isnt Thursday night football simulcast on NFL network?

If so Dish subs who lost their local Fox are good for toniht2

it is for those that have the sports package I'd guess.

This is where Dish can pacify angry customers by giving them NFL network for free until this is resolved

Except they have to pay NFL Network for each of those "new" subcribers.

Paying for them to have NFL network is likely cheaper than paying for that person to have their local Fox, FS1,FS2, and BTN

They could also send a Tech to the persons house and install an antenna for them to get Fox OTA

Maybe for older people. Not sure sending a truck roll is a good idea for younger customers stuck in a contract. Even most older people can install an antenna themselves.
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Are the Mountain West and Conference USA playing 4-dimensional chess, while the bigger conferences are playing checkers?

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(09-27-2019 07:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:20 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 05:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think this is a bigger loser for DISH than Fox. Fox channels aren't anywhere near as expensive as ESPN/Disney.

Like I've said elsewhere, it's really a catch-22 for everyone involved.

The biggest reason why people choose to drop cable/satellite is the high price, which is caused the most by sports channels.

At the same time, though, the biggest reason why people choose to keep cable/satellite is for sports. The vast majority of everything else on TV can be obtained through other sources (e.g. OTA, Netflix, Hulu, etc.).

Really? I keep cable because my wife likes female-oriented channels. Otherwise, I would just pay for Youtube TV, which seems to offer plenty of sports channels for $50 a month.

Actually, I think the biggest reason people keep cable or satellite is for the local channels. But more people are rediscovering OTA. At least those who get a pretty good signal. The rural people will have to stay with cable or satellite.

FWIW, where I live, if I got Youtube TV, I would get all the major local OTAs. I suspect that's true in most places.

Youtube TV gives you your local channels. Click the link and enter your zip code.

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(09-27-2019 10:15 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Not sure sending a truck roll is a good idea for younger customers stuck in a contract.

No one should ever stick themselves in a contract with all of the options available now. Having no contract is your best defense against cable/satellite providers taking your favorite channels off of their service. If you have a streaming service, or cable with no contract, then when they start playing now-you-see-it-now-you-don't with the channels you watch, you switch to another service that still includes "your" channels.
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(09-27-2019 07:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:20 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 05:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think this is a bigger loser for DISH than Fox. Fox channels aren't anywhere near as expensive as ESPN/Disney.

Like I've said elsewhere, it's really a catch-22 for everyone involved.

The biggest reason why people choose to drop cable/satellite is the high price, which is caused the most by sports channels.

At the same time, though, the biggest reason why people choose to keep cable/satellite is for sports. The vast majority of everything else on TV can be obtained through other sources (e.g. OTA, Netflix, Hulu, etc.).

Really? I keep cable because my wife likes female-oriented channels. Otherwise, I would just pay for Youtube TV, which seems to offer plenty of sports channels for $50 a month.

Actually, I think the biggest reason people keep cable or satellite is for the local channels. But more people are rediscovering OTA. At least those who get a pretty good signal. The rural people will have to stay with cable or satellite.

FWIW, where I live, if I got Youtube TV, I would get all the major local OTAs. I suspect that's true in most places.

Yes. You would get CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. All the sports channels expect NFL Network. YouTube TV other than History and MTV you get all the major cable networks.
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Sinclair stations may go dark on AT&T/ Direct TV tonight if they don’t reach an agreement.
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(09-26-2019 02:21 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  YouTube TV is your answer.

If you live in or near these cities get an antenna.
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so here we are 5 days later and Fox is still dark on Disk/Sling.

October is such a huge month for Fox with baseball playoffs, college football games, NFL of course, and of course SmackDown comes to Fox this week. If they don't resolve it soon- it may be a real long term situation....
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(09-27-2019 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-27-2019 10:15 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Not sure sending a truck roll is a good idea for younger customers stuck in a contract.

No one should ever stick themselves in a contract with all of the options available now. Having no contract is your best defense against cable/satellite providers taking your favorite channels off of their service. If you have a streaming service, or cable with no contract, then when they start playing now-you-see-it-now-you-don't with the channels you watch, you switch to another service that still includes "your" channels.

That's honestly the biggest advantage of the streaming services for new subscribers. If a particular platform drops a key channel for you, then you can move to a different service without penalty.

Pure cable or satellite service subscriber fees are actually fairly comparable to streaming services, but the main negatives are (a) the cancellation penalties for anyone still under contract and (b) the additional fees for equipment and other items. That pushes the price up (both in short-term monthly dollars and long-term flexibility).
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(10-01-2019 08:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so here we are 5 days later and Fox is still dark on Disk/Sling.

October is such a huge month for Fox with baseball playoffs, college football games, NFL of course, and of course SmackDown comes to Fox this week. If they don't resolve it soon- it may be a real long term situation....

It will be intersting for sure.

Dish/Sling has drawn a real hard line in the sand about local channels.
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(10-01-2019 12:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 08:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so here we are 5 days later and Fox is still dark on Disk/Sling.

October is such a huge month for Fox with baseball playoffs, college football games, NFL of course, and of course SmackDown comes to Fox this week. If they don't resolve it soon- it may be a real long term situation....

It will be intersting for sure.

Dish/Sling has drawn a real hard line in the sand about local channels.

yeah..

Of course the real long term line in the sand... Feb 2 when Fox hosts the Super Bowl. And would even say 2 weeks prior- as the NFC championship game takes place(that's a lot of years the #2 viewed event of the entire tv year).
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(10-01-2019 01:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 08:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so here we are 5 days later and Fox is still dark on Disk/Sling.

October is such a huge month for Fox with baseball playoffs, college football games, NFL of course, and of course SmackDown comes to Fox this week. If they don't resolve it soon- it may be a real long term situation....

It will be intersting for sure.

Dish/Sling has drawn a real hard line in the sand about local channels.

yeah..

Of course the real long term line in the sand... Feb 2 when Fox hosts the Super Bowl. And would even say 2 weeks prior- as the NFC championship game takes place(that's a lot of years the #2 viewed event of the entire tv year).

The local Fox stations are not much of an issue unless one lives out of range of a digital antenna. I have access to two local Fox stations with my mid-range (35-50 mile) indoor antenna where I live.

In addition, I haven't purchased it, but Sling has an option with AirTV which integrates OTA stations received on an antenna into the Sling channel selection and DVR capabilities. AirTV does represent an added one time expense. Depending on the setup one would want, equipment purchase of either $79.99 reduced by a $25.00 credit to the Sling bill or $119.99 reduced by a $50.00 credit to the Sling bill would be required. There are some other uses for the equipment, but its main purpose is integration with Sling.

https://airtv.net/

The main reason I haven't either jumped on the AirTV option or switched to another provider with local channel access like YouTubeTV is that I rarely go to the OTA channels. I can get most of what I want to watch from them with the network apps and through a CBS All Access subscription. I subscribe to CBS All Access mainly because of the extra content since I have access to two CBS stations OTA. Sling has NBC On Demand and had Fox On Demand for those areas without a deal with their local Fox channel. I still use NBC On Demand and go to the OTA option for the other local channels.

The carriage dispute is a minor inconvenience for me right now with access to NFL Network, Redzone, a plethora of ESPN channels including ESPN3 and ESPN+, SEC Network, SEC+, the ACC Network, ACC Extra, the PAC12 Network, NBC SportsNetwork, Stadium, BEIN, MLB Network, NHL Network, NBA TV, the Tennis Channel, and CBS All Access in addition to OTA access, there are more games than I can reasonably watch even without FS1 and BTN. It is a whole lot more than I had access to as a kid with maybe one or two local channels coupled with an occasional Houston channel on a good day.

Back to Dish-Sling/FS1-FS2-FoxLocal, the channels I am missing right now are FS1, FS2, and BTN. That is primarily FS1 and BTN since those are some of the channels I occasionally watch during football season. I rarely watch anything on FS2.
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(10-01-2019 01:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 12:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 08:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so here we are 5 days later and Fox is still dark on Disk/Sling.

October is such a huge month for Fox with baseball playoffs, college football games, NFL of course, and of course SmackDown comes to Fox this week. If they don't resolve it soon- it may be a real long term situation....

It will be intersting for sure.

Dish/Sling has drawn a real hard line in the sand about local channels.

yeah..

Of course the real long term line in the sand... Feb 2 when Fox hosts the Super Bowl. And would even say 2 weeks prior- as the NFC championship game takes place(that's a lot of years the #2 viewed event of the entire tv year).

Subscribers will get fed up long before that. NFL fans won't put up with missing every Fox NFL game on Sundays, there are baseball fans who will not put up with missing the World Series, and there must be subscribers who don't follow sports but want to watch some prime time shows on Fox.

Seems like a strange game of chicken that both Dish and DirecTV are playing. Maybe both are trying to reduce overhead in the short term so that their balance sheets look better to possible buyers?
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Getting subscribers to integrate the OTA signal in the technology they currently use is ideal for Dish/DirecTV as local channels have gotten to be too expensive.

Its funny the argument to move sports onto cable was that affiliates didnt get carriage fees like ESPN
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