(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

But at some point, you've got to take the next step. There has to be some P5 opponents that you beat, so you can crack the top 25 and become a national player like Boise St, UCF, Army etc.

We don't have the talent right now to beat P5 competition, but we will, and once we have it, I want some big dogs on the schedule to defeat. Until then, just play hard, and use the opportunity to improve.

I guarantee you that we're a much better squad right now from playing all these tough games. It's about to pay off. In the begining of the season, I thought we may win 2 or three games. Now, I think we can win four or five.

That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

(09-25-2019 03:18 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:55 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:18 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 10:57 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  Put me down for the Fresno State/Southern Miss paradigm of "play anyone, anywhere, any time,"

How has that worked for Fresno and SoMiss?

I think targeted aggression is fine. That is why I was in favor of playing Texas at NRG - anyplace.

But it doesn't have to be every game every year.

Look over the schedules of the P5 and top midmajors - nearly all of them include one gimme game. People here talk about the TCU model - I wonder how many of these we would find on their schedules the last twenty-five years.

It all comes down to what I have been saying all along - just win. If the "gimme" games are our only wins, or worse, are losses, people will ignore us about as much as if those games were replaced with 63-0 losses to anybody, anywhere, anytime. But winning will slowly build fan support and better recruiting. Better recruiting, with good coaching, brings wins. Not quick, not easy. It not like opening cans of peaches.

Well, SI did an article earlier this year that rated the most successful program within each state over the last 2 years. For CA, Stanford beat out Fresno State. So, I would say they are doing better than Rice.
Good to have ties to a winner.

That's only because both USC and UCLA are down. Last season, my final rankings had Stanford at 20 and Fresno State at 22. No other California team was among the top 50. The previous season, Stanford and Fresno State were 19 and 45, respectively, but USC was 13th.

I know that. Ok. At one point, Fresno had a winning record against the P5. Now I think they are just under .500. Just pointing out that a couple of years ago Fresno was coming of a 1 win season and fired their coach and that now they have had 2 10 win seasons and are historically competitive with P5 schools.

(09-25-2019 03:36 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:18 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:55 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 11:18 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 10:57 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  Put me down for the Fresno State/Southern Miss paradigm of "play anyone, anywhere, any time,"

How has that worked for Fresno and SoMiss?

I think targeted aggression is fine. That is why I was in favor of playing Texas at NRG - anyplace.

But it doesn't have to be every game every year.

Look over the schedules of the P5 and top midmajors - nearly all of them include one gimme game. People here talk about the TCU model - I wonder how many of these we would find on their schedules the last twenty-five years.

It all comes down to what I have been saying all along - just win. If the "gimme" games are our only wins, or worse, are losses, people will ignore us about as much as if those games were replaced with 63-0 losses to anybody, anywhere, anytime. But winning will slowly build fan support and better recruiting. Better recruiting, with good coaching, brings wins. Not quick, not easy. It not like opening cans of peaches.

Well, SI did an article earlier this year that rated the most successful program within each state over the last 2 years. For CA, Stanford beat out Fresno State. So, I would say they are doing better than Rice.
Good to have ties to a winner.

That's only because both USC and UCLA are down. Last season, my final rankings had Stanford at 20 and Fresno State at 22. No other California team was among the top 50. The previous season, Stanford and Fresno State were 19 and 45, respectively, but USC was 13th.

I know that. Ok. At one point, Fresno had a winning record against the P5. Now I think they are just under .500. Just pointing out that a couple of years ago Fresno was coming of a 1 win season and fired their coach and that now they have had 2 10 win seasons and are historically competitive with P5 schools.

What I was pointing out is that those two programs are still not in a P5 conference.

I wasn't even thinking of the last Rice-Fresno meeting.

(09-25-2019 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

But at some point, you've got to take the next step. There has to be some P5 opponents that you beat, so you can crack the top 25 and become a national player like Boise St, UCF, Army etc.

We don't have the talent right now to beat P5 competition, but we will, and once we have it, I want some big dogs on the schedule to defeat. Until then, just play hard, and use the opportunity to improve.

I guarantee you that we're a much better squad right now from playing all these tough games. It's about to pay off. In the begining of the season, I thought we may win 2 or three games. Now, I think we can win four or five.

That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

(09-25-2019 03:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

But at some point, you've got to take the next step. There has to be some P5 opponents that you beat, so you can crack the top 25 and become a national player like Boise St, UCF, Army etc.

We don't have the talent right now to beat P5 competition, but we will, and once we have it, I want some big dogs on the schedule to defeat. Until then, just play hard, and use the opportunity to improve.

I guarantee you that we're a much better squad right now from playing all these tough games. It's about to pay off. In the begining of the season, I thought we may win 2 or three games. Now, I think we can win four or five.

That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

You know I like the sch that Rice could put together. I like C-USA west
No reason to be playing P5 schools getting your kids hurt
Houston-Rice play neutral site game & hook up with @ Hawaii
Now you got 5 home & 5 away with 3 left.
2 H&H with schools bring fans & interest (BYU)
Use your buy game on MAC, drop them 1AA games
Take control of TV sch maybe make more money with 7 home games

(09-25-2019 04:56 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

But at some point, you've got to take the next step. There has to be some P5 opponents that you beat, so you can crack the top 25 and become a national player like Boise St, UCF, Army etc.

We don't have the talent right now to beat P5 competition, but we will, and once we have it, I want some big dogs on the schedule to defeat. Until then, just play hard, and use the opportunity to improve.

I guarantee you that we're a much better squad right now from playing all these tough games. It's about to pay off. In the begining of the season, I thought we may win 2 or three games. Now, I think we can win four or five.

That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

(09-25-2019 08:00 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 04:56 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

But at some point, you've got to take the next step. There has to be some P5 opponents that you beat, so you can crack the top 25 and become a national player like Boise St, UCF, Army etc.

We don't have the talent right now to beat P5 competition, but we will, and once we have it, I want some big dogs on the schedule to defeat. Until then, just play hard, and use the opportunity to improve.

I guarantee you that we're a much better squad right now from playing all these tough games. It's about to pay off. In the begining of the season, I thought we may win 2 or three games. Now, I think we can win four or five.

That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

If you look at the thread I started, I laid out top 52 finishes for the past 5 seasons. Appalachian State has finished among the top 52 on 3 occasions and, according to my rating system was 26th in 2018, 41st in 2016, and 49th in 2015.

Nevada has not finished among the top 52 in any of the previous 5 seasons.

It us surprising how far Arkansas and even Nebraska has declined in football since leaving the Big 12 and/or SWC.

(09-25-2019 08:04 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:00 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 04:56 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  That is a large group. Why isn't Rice talented enough right now? Honestly, that line of thinking is a problem. San Jose beat Arkansas in Arkansas last week. App St beat UNC. Nevada beat Purdue. G5 can be competitive and beat P5.

It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

If you look at the thread I started, I laid out top 52 finishes for the past 5 seasons. Appalachian State has finished among the top 52 on 3 occasions and, according to my rating system was 26th in 2018, 41st in 2016, and 49th in 2015.

Nevada has not finished among the top 52 in any of the previous 5 seasons.

I think the discussion has gone off on a tangent.

I don't care why Rice doesn't have talent, nor that Nevada isn't a top 25 program.

The fact is that we usually don't have much talent, but I'm encouraged that we have coaches who can recruit, and I'm equally encouraged that they finally have a meaningful recruiting budget. It gives me hope that Rice can land enough players to also have some success against at least the "average" P5 schools.

If App State and Nevada can do it, so can Rice.

Playing Tex & Baylor not helping Rice
Play in NE to recruit students

(09-25-2019 08:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:04 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:00 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 04:56 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 03:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It's an acknowledgement of the current state of the program. It's a symptom of a lot of poor history, academic barriers, and small recruiting budgets. Now that we have coaches who can recruit, and who have a budget that allows them to land players far outside this region, I expect to see much better talent coming our way.

Also, App State and Nevada have competitive programs. Arkansas is bad.

Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

If you look at the thread I started, I laid out top 52 finishes for the past 5 seasons. Appalachian State has finished among the top 52 on 3 occasions and, according to my rating system was 26th in 2018, 41st in 2016, and 49th in 2015.

Nevada has not finished among the top 52 in any of the previous 5 seasons.

I think the discussion has gone off on a tangent.

I don't care why Rice doesn't have talent, nor that Nevada isn't a top 25 program.

The fact is that we usually don't have much talent, but I'm encouraged that we have coaches who can recruit, and I'm equally encouraged that they finally have a meaningful recruiting budget. It gives me hope that Rice can land enough players to also have some success against at least the "average" P5 schools.

If App State and Nevada can do it, so can Rice.

Off tangent?
You seem to be claiming that a lack of talent is the cause of an 0-4 start. But this will all be fixed with a larger recruiting budget and getting better players. I would disagree.
The Rice roster has turned over around 67% in the last year and a half. The current coaches with an increased recruiting budget reaching never before places should mean an increase in talent according to your premise. However, you say the talent isn’t good enough to compete with P5. I asked, why not? Other G5 schools in Rice’s position have this year and actually won. Heck, San Jose St, a bottom level MWC school the last few years beat Arkansas. My premise is that Rice talent this year should be equivalent to San Jose, or Utah St, or Nevada, or ODU. And half of them have a win against P5. You may argue that the P5 schools Rice played were upper level P5. That may be true. But Rice obviously has some talent, enough to compete at a level of most G5 schools. I would say that Rice has squandered some of it’s talent in these games. It is hard to never have a lead in 4 games with some average talent. I just don’t think talent disparity is the root cause of the loses.

(09-25-2019 09:12 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Playing Tex & Baylor not helping Rice
Play in NE to recruit students

Playing Texas, Baylor or other regional P5 schools are the only reasons many Rice alumni/fans will come to a game. That's why we need to have those types of home/homes or two away/one home game situations every single year.

As for the NE angle, it would be worth playing a game in PA/NJ/NY, I agree. But that area (plus New England states, which are irrelevant in the college football landscape) is probably only going to yield us maybe one or two recruits every couple years - it's often difficult to convince a two-star kid from the Northeast to come to Texas to play for Rice, when they could likely stay at home and play in the Ivy League / Patriot League at a similar caliber school.

(09-25-2019 09:12 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  losing to Tex & Baylor not helping Rice

FIFY

(09-25-2019 09:54 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:04 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:00 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 04:56 PM)ruowls Wrote:  Well, App St is Sun Belt. Nevada is a middling MWC. Competitive in their conference. Didn't you say Rice should be competitive with CUSA this year? Didn't ODU take the lead on UVA deep into the 4th quarter and beat VT last year? And didn't Rice beat ODU last year?
If I am not mistaken, Rice hasn't even had a lead this year. Not for one second of any game. Do you honestly think that is because of a historically bad program, insufficient recruiting budget and academic barriers?

We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

If you look at the thread I started, I laid out top 52 finishes for the past 5 seasons. Appalachian State has finished among the top 52 on 3 occasions and, according to my rating system was 26th in 2018, 41st in 2016, and 49th in 2015.

Nevada has not finished among the top 52 in any of the previous 5 seasons.

I think the discussion has gone off on a tangent.

I don't care why Rice doesn't have talent, nor that Nevada isn't a top 25 program.

The fact is that we usually don't have much talent, but I'm encouraged that we have coaches who can recruit, and I'm equally encouraged that they finally have a meaningful recruiting budget. It gives me hope that Rice can land enough players to also have some success against at least the "average" P5 schools.

If App State and Nevada can do it, so can Rice.

Off tangent?
You seem to be claiming that a lack of talent is the cause of an 0-4 start. But this will all be fixed with a larger recruiting budget and getting better players. I would disagree.
The Rice roster has turned over around 67% in the last year and a half. The current coaches with an increased recruiting budget reaching never before places should mean an increase in talent according to your premise. However, you say the talent isn’t good enough to compete with P5. I asked, why not? Other G5 schools in Rice’s position have this year and actually won. Heck, San Jose St, a bottom level MWC school the last few years beat Arkansas. My premise is that Rice talent this year should be equivalent to San Jose, or Utah St, or Nevada, or ODU. And half of them have a win against P5. You may argue that the P5 schools Rice played were upper level P5. That may be true. But Rice obviously has some talent, enough to compete at a level of most G5 schools. I would say that Rice has squandered some of it’s talent in these games. It is hard to never have a lead in 4 games with some average talent. I just don’t think talent disparity is the root cause of the loses.

I believe it's all about talent. Bailiff's last three recruiting classes were poor. Bloomgren will have to sign three or four classes before things get much better. It takes time.

And give this team and these coaches some credit. We played Army and Baylor very closely, despite not leading in either game. The fact that we can already do that tells me that the coaches are getting the most out of the little they have.

(09-26-2019 10:14 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I believe it's all about talent. Bailiff's last three recruiting classes were poor. Bloomgren will have to sign three or four classes before things get much better. It takes time.

And give this team and these coaches some credit. We played Army and Baylor very closely, despite not leading in either game. The fact that we can already do that tells me that the coaches are getting the most out of the little they have.

The majority of the two-deep (or three-deep, in case of the RBs) for this weekend's game are Bloomgren recruits. Not a large majority (a little less than 60%), but a majority nonetheless.

Offense (21 distinct players - 8 for Bailiff, 13 for Bloomgren).

Defense (21 distinct players - 10 for Bailiff, 11 for Bloomgren)

Special Teams (five players not already named in O/D - two Bailiff recruits, three Bloomgren recruits).

(09-26-2019 10:14 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 09:54 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:35 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:04 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 08:00 PM)Ourland Wrote:  We've gone overboard around here talking about all the reasons Rice hasn't been able to recruit great talent. I listed three of them.

As far as App State and Nevada are concerned, I think both those teams have been in the top 25 over the last couple years, regardless of their conference affiliations.

If you look at the thread I started, I laid out top 52 finishes for the past 5 seasons. Appalachian State has finished among the top 52 on 3 occasions and, according to my rating system was 26th in 2018, 41st in 2016, and 49th in 2015.

Nevada has not finished among the top 52 in any of the previous 5 seasons.

I think the discussion has gone off on a tangent.

I don't care why Rice doesn't have talent, nor that Nevada isn't a top 25 program.

The fact is that we usually don't have much talent, but I'm encouraged that we have coaches who can recruit, and I'm equally encouraged that they finally have a meaningful recruiting budget. It gives me hope that Rice can land enough players to also have some success against at least the "average" P5 schools.

If App State and Nevada can do it, so can Rice.

Off tangent?
You seem to be claiming that a lack of talent is the cause of an 0-4 start. But this will all be fixed with a larger recruiting budget and getting better players. I would disagree.
The Rice roster has turned over around 67% in the last year and a half. The current coaches with an increased recruiting budget reaching never before places should mean an increase in talent according to your premise. However, you say the talent isn’t good enough to compete with P5. I asked, why not? Other G5 schools in Rice’s position have this year and actually won. Heck, San Jose St, a bottom level MWC school the last few years beat Arkansas. My premise is that Rice talent this year should be equivalent to San Jose, or Utah St, or Nevada, or ODU. And half of them have a win against P5. You may argue that the P5 schools Rice played were upper level P5. That may be true. But Rice obviously has some talent, enough to compete at a level of most G5 schools. I would say that Rice has squandered some of it’s talent in these games. It is hard to never have a lead in 4 games with some average talent. I just don’t think talent disparity is the root cause of the loses.

I believe it's all about talent. Bailiff's last three recruiting classes were poor. Bloomgren will have to sign three or four classes before things get much better. It takes time.

And give this team and these coaches some credit. We played Army and Baylor very closely, despite not leading in either game. The fact that we can already do that tells me that the coaches are getting the most out of the little they have.

It isn't all about talent. Talent is a nebulous term.

Athleticism masks erroneous coaching decisions. So, from a coach"s perspective, better "talent" wins games. I have given you various examples of how the coaches could have designed better plays that would have made THESE players more productive and thus impacted the outcome of the game in Rice's favor. I disagree that the coaches are getting the most out of what they have. I am stating that these players have enough "talent" to win these games that you say are "very close". I am giving them more credit than you. They have enough "talent" now to win instead of just playing "very close". I don't agree that Rice needs "better" to win. Nor do I agree that 2-3 more years is needed.

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

I think there is clear (to me anyway) evidence this isn't the case. Bailiff won, and then couldn't recruit or win or get butts in the seats.

Our students want to have fun at the games. What is 'fun' for them about beating ODU or FIU or Marshall? It's only fun if those teams are GOOD and so are we.

(09-25-2019 07:32 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  You know I like the sch that Rice could put together. I like C-USA west
No reason to be playing P5 schools getting your kids hurt
Houston-Rice play neutral site game & hook up with @ Hawaii
Now you got 5 home & 5 away with 3 left.
2 H&H with schools bring fans & interest (BYU)
Use your buy game on MAC, drop them 1AA games
Take control of TV sch maybe make more money with 7 home games

There still is a ceiling, what is Rice ceiling
Tex
ALa
Clem
Cowboys
Patriots
Play the %'s (C-USA) AcademIes, like minded inst, MAC,NE schools to recruit students
Your not going to Cotton bowl, enjoy Hawaii, New Orl, Bahamas

(09-26-2019 01:04 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-25-2019 02:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm convinced that if we're a "winner," everything else takes care of itself. Fans will come out. Students will have interest. Everything moves forward.

I think there is clear (to me anyway) evidence this isn't the case. Bailiff won, and then couldn't recruit or win or get butts in the seats.

Our students want to have fun at the games. What is 'fun' for them about beating ODU or FIU or Marshall? It's only fun if those teams are GOOD and so are we.

(09-25-2019 07:32 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  You know I like the sch that Rice could put together. I like C-USA west
No reason to be playing P5 schools getting your kids hurt
Houston-Rice play neutral site game & hook up with @ Hawaii
Now you got 5 home & 5 away with 3 left.
2 H&H with schools bring fans & interest (BYU)
Use your buy game on MAC, drop them 1AA games
Take control of TV sch maybe make more money with 7 home games

There were a lot of students at the C-USA Championship game against Marshall.