(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

If the MWC loses AFA, my guess is they pick up the 11-team scheduling waiver gauntlet from the AAC, which would no longer need it but might support it anyway to hedge their bets if it loses another school down the line.

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

God knows the WAC would salivate to get AFA's Olympic sports if the AAC took AFA as football only.

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

No idea. If it does and we can't get it then get rid of divisions and play some form of round-robin. It will be worth it.

(10-15-2019 12:28 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

No idea. If it does and we can't get it then get rid of divisions and play some form of round-robin. It will be worth it.

Honestly no matter the configuration CUSA would benefit by being at 10 teams rather than 14.

So your scenario makes a lot of sense

(10-15-2019 12:29 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:28 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

No idea. If it does and we can't get it then get rid of divisions and play some form of round-robin. It will be worth it.

Honestly no matter the configuration CUSA would benefit by being at 10 teams rather than 14.

So your scenario makes a lot of sense

I seriously doubt the conference would go under 12 for any reason. You let enough schools out of a conference and a new conference might pop up out of no where. No one wants that.

If waiver trouble forces the AAC to add a 12th it could hit C-USA either directly (UAB or ODU) or indirectly (AFA, which result in the MWC taking a C-USA school)

C-USA’s first choice would be to operate with 13 using the same waiver they did before the UAB program was revived and that the MAC used for years when they had 13.

If they have to pick a 14th and need to replace a western school I think someone like Ark St is the best pick.

If they have to pick a 14th and need to replace an eastern team I think they go with Georgia St.

The other nuclear option, if the factions can’t agree is to either split or start reorganization talks with the SBC to become more regional.

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

It can be done within the rules with no waiver. However, if the conference wants to avoid 2 teams playing each other twice in one season, they would need a waiver.

(10-15-2019 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

If we don't lose 3 whole schools from Texas at one time then we had better add no one. One or two schools from Texas go and I'd say stay put at 13 or 12 members.

Don't uneven divisions have to get an NCAA waiver?

It can be done within the rules with no waiver. However, if the conference wants to avoid 2 teams playing each other twice in one season, they would need a waiver.

Or not everyone playing the same number of league games.

One fix is you play everyone in the division and only count those then play "non-conference" games against the other division with not everyone getting the same number every year.

(10-15-2019 12:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

We move Southern Miss and La Tech to the East and start a new conference

UAB too.

Seriously though, if the MWC takes a Texas schools you can look for eastern schools to block another Texas addition. I don't know what would happen but it might get ugly. Not uglier than the curtain that separates the courts at our basketball tournament but still pretty ugly.

A Texas school replaced with Texas State or New Mexico State keeps the divisions intact. If they added, I dunno, Liberty or Georgia State or something, you're having to send a school from the East to the West, and that would probably mean splitting Middle Tennessee and WKU (or if it's Georgia State, sending them to the West, but then that defeats the purpose for the East schools).

Yeah? We're going to be dicks about it and force the issue of a split.

When Bankowsky wanted to go to 16 the scuttle butt was he wanted Arkansas State and Louisiana in order to shift UAB to the east and then ODU and MTSU almost immediately have their AD's going on record opposing any move to 16 that wasn't balanced east/west and JMU's name got tossed around

(10-15-2019 11:54 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

If the MWC loses AFA, my guess is they pick up the 11-team scheduling waiver gauntlet from the AAC, which would no longer need it but might support it anyway to hedge their bets if it loses another school down the line.

The MWC would not pick up Rice as they are at best lousy in football and basketball. They would need someone good in at least one of those, possibly UTEP oR NMSU, or someone else. I do not see the MW losing AFA in the near future so this is all bloviating.


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(10-15-2019 05:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:54 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

If the MWC loses AFA, my guess is they pick up the 11-team scheduling waiver gauntlet from the AAC, which would no longer need it but might support it anyway to hedge their bets if it loses another school down the line.

The MWC would not pick up Rice as they are at best lousy in football and basketball. They would need someone good in at least one of those, possibly UTEP oR NMSU, or someone else. I do not see the MW losing AFA in the near future so this is all bloviating.


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If they ever moved into Texas it wouldn't be with one school. They'd need two to four to fly the flag properly and for travel considerations. New Mexico State is largely redundant with New Mexico in, and their football is historically horrendous.

(10-15-2019 05:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:54 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I'm curious what happens to CUSA-East if let's say that the AAC does poach AFA from the MWC. Does the MWC reload with Rice? The CUSA try to reload with TxSt? What does CUSA-East feel about that situation.

If the MWC loses AFA, my guess is they pick up the 11-team scheduling waiver gauntlet from the AAC, which would no longer need it but might support it anyway to hedge their bets if it loses another school down the line.

The MWC would not pick up Rice as they are at best lousy in football and basketball. They would need someone good in at least one of those, possibly UTEP oR NMSU, or someone else. I do not see the MW losing AFA in the near future so this is all bloviating.

AFA is one of only 7 MWC baseball-playing schools. Rice has a prominent baseball program, while UTEP does not sponsor baseball. Rice also brings a strong women’s basketball program ranked in the pre-season Top 25.

Football is crawling back from lousy, and was the C-USA champion as recently as 2013. Rice also beat Air Force and Fresno State in bowl games this decade. Rice has home and home football series scheduled with Boise State and BYU. Rice had home P5 football games (Texas, Baylor, Wake Forest) that were all picked up in 2019 for CBS-SN national broadcasts under the C-USA media contract, and LSU, Northwestern, Army, BYU and Houston in the future.

I agree with Yosef that the MWC would take a look at Rice. Would Rice jump as the only Texas school in the MWC?

(10-15-2019 03:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ....When Bankowsky wanted to go to 16 the scuttle butt was he wanted Arkansas State and Louisiana in order to shift UAB to the east and then ODU and MTSU almost immediately have their AD's going on record opposing any move to 16 that wasn't balanced east/west and JMU's name got tossed around

Yep. We were packing our bags.

Eastern schools stopped it. I knew then that CUSA was destined to breakup.

(10-01-2019 11:03 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 10:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 08:12 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 06:07 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Arguing about which of the two is better is pointless without facts. ...

In the context of this question, arguing about which of the two is better in general is pointless with or without facts ... because whichever of the two you want to consider as being marginally ahead of the other, being in the CUSA East is better for Marshall than being in the Sunbelt.

Indeed, that may be why the discussion of the original question has died down and it has been entirely replaced by the pointless argument over which of the two is better.

As I said early on. It makes little sense for Marshall. It might make sense for USM geographically but it would be a hard sell to thier fans who feel they should be in the AAC with their former conference mates.

As a UTEP fan I believe we belong in the MWC. I’m not sure if a realignment with the westernmost schools would be enough to keep UTEP fans from longing for the MW. Probably not.

What’s a absolutely crazy is that UTEP was (rumored) invited to the MWC with Utah St and UTEP turned the MWC down!
MWC then asked San Jose St and they took half a second to say hell ya!