The first domino tumbles.

Sources: Kansas men's basketball charged with multiple Level 1 allegations, including lack of institutional control

Quote:The University of Kansas received its notice of allegations from the NCAA on Monday, which includes potentially devastating allegations toward the men’s basketball program, according to multiple sources.

Kansas has been charged with lack of institutional control, three Level I violations in men’s basketball and there is a head coach responsibility charge against coach Bill Self, according to multiple sources. There also are allegations against football, sources added, although those are Level II violations. The football allegations include charges of allowing an extra coach to work during practice under former head coach David Beaty.

Quote:The charge against Self will potentially prove a compelling and high-profile application of the NCAA’s head coach responsibility bylaws. Evidence tied to the case included Gassnola and Self talking openly in text messages about Adidas helping Kansas recruit players. “I’m happy with Adidas,” Self wrote Gassnola. “Just got to get a couple real guys.”

Later, Gassnola texted about keeping Self and Kansas happy with lottery picks. Self responded: “That’s how (it) works. At UNC and Duke.”

Here's the redacted NCAA notice of allegations (PDF file): https://publicaffairs.ku.edu/sites/publi...o%20KU.pdf

Looks like the basketball-related allegations are mostly about the recruiting of Billy Preston and Silvio DeSousa, along with letting adidas reps have contact with players and recruits in contexts not permitted by the rules.

On page 3, the NCAA says that Larry Brown was involved in recruiting DeSousa and in passing along, to a KU assistant coach, a monetary request from DeSousa's legal guardian.

I hope Wichita is prepared to suffer sanctions.


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If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

(09-23-2019 10:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

They want you to provide the rope, make the knot, and hurl it over the tree branch for them.

There’s no real investigative arm anymore.

And why cooperate at all? They add extra sanctions to those who self-impose, and those are the ones who cooperate!

This one could be it for the NCAA. If nothing happens to both UNC and Kansas, I can see federal intervention breaking up the cartel.

(09-24-2019 04:25 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 10:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

They want you to provide the rope, make the knot, and hurl it over the tree branch for them.

There’s no real investigative arm anymore.

And why cooperate at all? They add extra sanctions to those who self-impose, and those are the ones who cooperate!

This one could be it for the NCAA. If nothing happens to both UNC and Kansas, I can see federal intervention breaking up the cartel.

The situation at Carolina was not within the NCAA's purview.

(09-24-2019 04:25 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 10:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

They want you to provide the rope, make the knot, and hurl it over the tree branch for them.

There’s no real investigative arm anymore.

And why cooperate at all? They add extra sanctions to those who self-impose, and those are the ones who cooperate!

This one could be it for the NCAA. If nothing happens to both UNC and Kansas, I can see federal intervention breaking up the cartel.

EPA works the same way.

(09-24-2019 05:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 04:25 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 10:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

They want you to provide the rope, make the knot, and hurl it over the tree branch for them.

There’s no real investigative arm anymore.

And why cooperate at all? They add extra sanctions to those who self-impose, and those are the ones who cooperate!

This one could be it for the NCAA. If nothing happens to both UNC and Kansas, I can see federal intervention breaking up the cartel.

The situation at Carolina was not within the NCAA's purview.

It was a whole lot more in their purview than Penn St. They just didn't want it to be. Academic fraud is the reason the NCAA enforcement arm exists and this was the type of thing they should be enforcing or they shouldn't exist. Instead they get all excited about agents.

Looks like Kansas is following the North Carolina F-U approach to the NCAA. A statement was released in Bill Self's name that was probably written by one of those law firms hired by schools to push back against the NCAA.

Quote:"By the NCAA's own admission through its public statements early this summer, it's no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. ... In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program," Self said in a statement. "The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. ... I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case."

(09-24-2019 04:25 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 10:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If the NCAA has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't cooperate with them.

They'll punish you anyway so you might as well obfuscate.

They want you to provide the rope, make the knot, and hurl it over the tree branch for them.

There’s no real investigative arm anymore.

And why cooperate at all? They add extra sanctions to those who self-impose, and those are the ones who cooperate!

This one could be it for the NCAA. If nothing happens to both UNC and Kansas, I can see federal intervention breaking up the cartel.

There never was one. They have no power of subpoena, and cannot compel testimony of anyone not currently employed or enrolled in an NCAA affiliated university.

(09-24-2019 10:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Looks like Kansas is following the North Carolina F-U approach to the NCAA. A statement was released in Bill Self's name that was probably written by one of those law firms hired by schools to push back against the NCAA.

Quote:"By the NCAA's own admission through its public statements early this summer, it's no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. ... In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program," Self said in a statement. "The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. ... I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case."

I don't think its false, but it does indicate how the NCAA operates. PSU and this generated negative publicity so they acted (or are acting). The Montana rape situation and UNC academic fraud generated mostly local press, so they did next to nothing.

(09-26-2019 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 10:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Looks like Kansas is following the North Carolina F-U approach to the NCAA. A statement was released in Bill Self's name that was probably written by one of those law firms hired by schools to push back against the NCAA.

Quote:"By the NCAA's own admission through its public statements early this summer, it's no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. ... In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program," Self said in a statement. "The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. ... I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case."

I don't think its false, but it does indicate how the NCAA operates. PSU and this generated negative publicity so they acted (or are acting). The Montana rape situation and UNC academic fraud generated mostly local press, so they did next to nothing.

Yes, what Self's statement says about the NCAA responding to pressure is true. The rest of the statement, not so much. Essentially, it's "Even if I was driving 95 mph in a 55 mph zone, what about those other cars and trucks going 95 that you didn't pull over?"

(09-26-2019 12:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-26-2019 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 10:57 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Looks like Kansas is following the North Carolina F-U approach to the NCAA. A statement was released in Bill Self's name that was probably written by one of those law firms hired by schools to push back against the NCAA.

Quote:"By the NCAA's own admission through its public statements early this summer, it's no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. ... In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program," Self said in a statement. "The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. ... I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case."

I don't think its false, but it does indicate how the NCAA operates. PSU and this generated negative publicity so they acted (or are acting). The Montana rape situation and UNC academic fraud generated mostly local press, so they did next to nothing.

Yes, what Self's statement says about the NCAA responding to pressure is true. The rest of the statement, not so much. Essentially, it's "Even if I was driving 95 mph in a 55 mph zone, what about those other cars and trucks going 95 that you didn't pull over?"

Considering all of the pressures mounting on the NCAA from the California to New York legislation, their inability to fairly handle with uniformity the cases of schools they impose sanctions upon, and the indefensible amount of revenue they've endowed, and the mounting desire of the P5 football conferences to compose their conference structures as they see fit and determine their champs as they see fit, it is overwhelmingly evident that the NCAA is outdated and ineffectual for governance in 2019. It's eventually going to split along pay for play or pay for image lines and when it does Div II & Div III, and maybe FCS will wind up under their authority. The P5 and many of the G5 will breakaway and form their own governance and enforcement arms, and the over 1 billion in endowment will be a parting gift to the schools remaining under NCAA auspices.

But when that happens, all of our schools will earn a lot more from basketball and that will help the PAC and ACC schools proportionately more than even the Big 10 and SEC.

The NCAA was so mad at Kansas men's basketball that they just put Georgia Tech on probation. (I cannot make this up).


https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/georg...WRyObIgnO/

(09-26-2019 08:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The NCAA was so mad at Kansas men's basketball that they just put Georgia Tech on probation. (I cannot make this up).


https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/georg...WRyObIgnO/

The NCAA is all sorts or whack. It recently put DePaul b'ball on probation because folks saw to a young man's education, as a parent might.

Quote:The men’s basketball program recruited the student-athlete, who had graduated from high school but had not yet met NCAA initial eligibility requirements. To help ensure the necessary coursework was completed, the committee said a former associate head coach arranged for the assistant director of basketball operations to live with the prospect. The assistant director of basketball operations did not complete the prospect’s coursework, but he monitored the recruit’s progress, limited his extracurricular activities and ensured tests were taken.

The student-athlete met eligibility requirements and enrolled at the university. Because the arrangement was an impermissible recruiting benefit, the committee said the student-athlete competed while ineligible...

LINK

"Students first!" It's really all about educating people, see...

As for Kansas, I hope they fight this tooth and nail.