Hey Tribe 3455-

The number of empty parking spots in the Gold Lot for the first three home games was dramatic, not my postings.

They were so dramatic that it was a topic of conversation within my group.

Of course, I, too, noticed this dramatic change in the Gold Lot at the three football games which I attended with my four football season tickets.

Hopefully, the parking lot next to Plumeri will not show this dramatic change, but I’ll let you know when I attend some baseball games with my four season tickets.

Sadly, I won’t be able to report on the parking situation at MBB, because I gave up those four season tickets.

Annual Fund contribution? Not this year. Tribe Club contribution? Not this year. One Day One Tribe? Not last year. The Dwyer Endowment? Not this year. Closers Club? Absolutely.

Sorry for the drama, but I don’t think I’m alone in what I’ve done.

As a poster inferred elsewhere, I’m sure that there are scores of folks ready to pick up the slack.

The % of the fan base in open rebellion might shock you; how’s that for drama? :-)

(10-16-2019 08:15 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Hey Tribe 3455-

The number of empty parking spots in the Gold Lot for the first three home games was dramatic, not my postings.

They were so dramatic that it was a topic of conversation within my group.

Of course, I, too, noticed this dramatic change in the Gold Lot at the three football games which I attended with my four football season tickets.

Hopefully, the parking lot next to Plumeri will not show this dramatic change, but I’ll let you know when I attend some baseball games with my four season tickets.

Sadly, I won’t be able to report on the parking situation at MBB, because I gave up those four season tickets.

Annual Fund contribution? Not this year. Tribe Club contribution? Not this year. One Day One Tribe? Not last year. The Dwyer Endowment? Not this year. Closers Club? Absolutely.

Sorry for the drama, but I don’t think I’m alone in what I’ve done.

As a poster inferred elsewhere, I’m sure that there are scores of folks ready to pick up the slack.

The % of the fan base in open rebellion might shock you; how’s that for drama? :-)

Fine. Impressive. Here’s my real thought on the matter. Most on this board have a much longer history with the college than me so the cuts are deeper I’m sure. Those of you that basically complain about everything Huge has done are right enough times to make sense to many. You’re wrong enough to have constant detractors. But what you’re really doing is wasting the one opportunity you’ve had in years to truly move the tribe forward. You have an AD that has the support of the administration (and the ambition) who could get a lot done right now. Instead, many of you are just dragging it all through the mud in ways that will keep you from hiring anybody worth a hoot if you end up successfully running her out of town. I don’t agree with everything she’s done either. I simply believe the best way to support the tribe is to actually support the tribe.

(10-16-2019 09:07 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 08:15 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Hey Tribe 3455-

The number of empty parking spots in the Gold Lot for the first three home games was dramatic, not my postings.

They were so dramatic that it was a topic of conversation within my group.

Of course, I, too, noticed this dramatic change in the Gold Lot at the three football games which I attended with my four football season tickets.

Hopefully, the parking lot next to Plumeri will not show this dramatic change, but I’ll let you know when I attend some baseball games with my four season tickets.

Sadly, I won’t be able to report on the parking situation at MBB, because I gave up those four season tickets.

Annual Fund contribution? Not this year. Tribe Club contribution? Not this year. One Day One Tribe? Not last year. The Dwyer Endowment? Not this year. Closers Club? Absolutely.

Sorry for the drama, but I don’t think I’m alone in what I’ve done.

As a poster inferred elsewhere, I’m sure that there are scores of folks ready to pick up the slack.

The % of the fan base in open rebellion might shock you; how’s that for drama? :-)

Fine. Impressive. Here’s my real thought on the matter. Most on this board have a much longer history with the college than me so the cuts are deeper I’m sure. Those of you that basically complain about everything Huge has done are right enough times to make sense to many. You’re wrong enough to have constant detractors. But what you’re really doing is wasting the one opportunity you’ve had in years to truly move the tribe forward. You have an AD that has the support of the administration (and the ambition) who could get a lot done right now. Instead, many of you are just dragging it all through the mud in ways that will keep you from hiring anybody worth a hoot if you end up successfully running her out of town. I don’t agree with everything she’s done either. I simply believe the best way to support the tribe is to actually support the tribe.

The biggest thing that worry's me about all the bickering, is how it will effect the prospective recruits and their Family. one of the things that Jake's Mom said is how impressed she was with the AD's forward thinking. I am not condoning the way she handled everything, but it is clear she has the support of the administration. I have bought my tickets for this year and will continue to support the young men and women we have representing our college. They had nothing to do with this and are busting there butts for the team and the college they represent. I would hate to loose good recruits because of all this bickering. Oh well i just posted my longest post ever!!

The off-season is way too long. Can’t wait for games to start. We can then talk about the actual sport of basketball.


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Don’t lump me in with others.

I don’t want the AD gone. I get that the china gets broken when a new AD comes in. I get that a new AD gets to hire her own people. I get that she’s pro-athletics and appears to have the ear of the President.

However, the firing of Shaver was egregious, and ended the honeymoon. If any sports are cut to feed the beast of the Big 3, to satisfy the rules and reps of the corrupt NCAA, and/or that we can hire more Administrators, I will join the ranks of those who want her fired. If these opinions turn off any player, recruit, or parent, I don’t care ... not sure that I want to be part of a tribe that thinks to the contrary. This is core belief stuff.

I don’t give a rear end about the Director’s Cup, but let’s remember that we did well when the soccer programs, combined with football, were in their glory days. Perhaps there is something to the notion that good coaches shouldn’t be forced out, and that same is counterproductive to the publicly-stated goals.

As for Title IX, enough of the bloodletting. Lacrosse and wrestling, and those alumni, were enough of a cost. No more! Add a sport, or change classification.

As to hard-working current athletes representing our school, don’t former athletes who busted tail for our school, in sports now in jeopardy, get a “say”, or are we only “good for our money” once we graduate?

The Gold Lot is “empty”. Why? It would help if the school told us what is going on. But don’t hold your breath ... still waiting on the public announcement of the MBB numbers ... I’ve been given two different numbers privately, and the status quo wasn’t maintained.

Shaver buyout, plus decline in Gold Lot revenue, plus decline in MBB season tickets, plus increase in Administrators ... any of this addressed in the report that came out yesterday? Are those the real reasons for the perception that the skids are being greased for the cutting of sports? In other words, end the Shaver fallout “boycott”, or sports will be cut? Is the “boycott” cutting that deep? How solid can our revenue model be if a silly little “boycott” can be so devastating?

Finally, those of us involved in the “boycott” are sending a message. The silence of the school is indicative of the fact that the message is not getting through. Given what we know about human nature, that is not an effective way to address, and end, the “boycott”.

(10-16-2019 09:35 PM)Biggjohn43 Wrote:  The biggest thing that worry's me about all the bickering, is how it will effect the prospective recruits and their Family. one of the things that Jake's Mom said is how impressed she was with the AD's forward thinking. I am not condoning the way she handled everything, but it is clear she has the support of the administration. I have bought my tickets for this year and will continue to support the young men and women we have representing our college. They had nothing to do with this and are busting there butts for the team and the college they represent. I would hate to loose good recruits because of all this bickering. Oh well i just posted my longest post ever!!

We lost good recruits because of the Shaver firing. Football is doing fine. Dane is doing fine. Can’t speak to those sports in the cross-hairs of yesterday’s report. Yesterday’s report was a public announcement after two years of work; no bickering involved.

If recruits shy away because 30 Tribe fans bicker on an obscure messageboard, they better look at some JUCOs. Definitely want to stay away from any school from JMU to Memphis to UNC.

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(10-16-2019 05:51 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I also got a follow-up when I did not renew my football season tickets.

My decision was largely based on my understanding that the seat license did not count as a contribution to Athletics. A not insignificant factor was unhappiness with the MBB coaching decision. (I'm not defending the logic of the latter point, just stating facts.)

I purchased my MBB season tickets. I'm too invested in that to give up on it no matter how much my gut was wrenched last March. I probably would have driven 5 times from Charleston this year to see all the home CAA games. Now I may go 1 or 2 times.

If we descend into Swenson-Boyages territory I may give up on MBB season tickets but I certainly hope not. I enjoy Tribe football especially during lovely fall night games when we win. My commitment to MBB is more intense and I will need to be driven away.

Your last two paragraphs, Tribeinexile, perfectly reflect my feelings also. I hate what Huge did to Coach Shaver. He was a wonderful man with great integrity who brought our program consistent excellence for more than a decade and always gave me hope that this was the year. But...…..I will not let Huge take from me what I have always considered W&M's most prized athletic team. For the last 45 years I have battled Hampton Roads tunnel traffic 12-15 times a year from Tidewater to reach my seat before tip off. I cannot imagine getting through the winter months without Tribe basketball. I will miss Tony every game but will pull like crazy for Dane and our guys to go where we have never gone. Many parts of me have not moved on, but I will not allow Huge to keep me from moving forward.

GO TRIBE!!

Note: I have not changed my season ticket purchasing or donations in the last year.

That being said...

Those saying "you're only hurting the student athletes" and "there are other ways to get your message across" feel disingenuous to me. We all know in situations like this, the absolute most clear and impactful message is dollars. Many people have written letters, expressed frustration here, op eds, reaching out to contacts at the school, etc with their frustrations. What impact has it had? I'd argue little to none.

With the things going on now that bother people, I feel that dollars is likely the only way to send a message that *may* be acted on. I absolutely 100% do not fault those that have pulled their financial support in one way or another.

I think it's totally up to the person to decide what they want to do. Donate or not, buy tickets or not. It isn't for me to decide what's right and wrong for someone else. I have football season tickets, go to a few basketball games, and donate to several specific sports teams as well as to the academic side. I haven't changed my donating pattern. I feel an obligation to give back based on what the college has done for me and shaped my life. That doesn't mean I can't be pissed off, and make my feelings known. The sad part is that I'm a life long Redskins fan too.

(10-16-2019 08:03 AM)nj alum Wrote:  The Gold Lot is 25-33% empty. You can buy a parking pass now for the rest of the season.

NJ:

I just followed up on this...while I agree with your assessment of the partially vacant Gold Lot, the Tribe Ticket Office staff assured me they are not selling parking passes for the rest of the season.

Any idea where this came from?

Scotty-

I got the same message from the ticket office when I inquired.

All I know is what I was told, and the fact that he showed up for Game 3.

Someone is speaking with forked tongue! :-)

(10-17-2019 10:50 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Someone is speaking with forked tongue! :-)

(10-17-2019 10:50 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Scotty-

I got the same message from the ticket office when I inquired.

All I know is what I was told, and the fact that he showed up for Game 3.

Someone is speaking with forked tongue! :-)

Say it ain't so!

Thanks to those of you who chose not to renew your season MBB, I picked up several good seats as a result of your decision! Look forward to keeping my 6 season MBB for many decades as the Tribe moves forward in the Fischer era. The goal of MBB should be to duplicate the VCU model of hiring young coaches who have great success so the coach move up to a higher program while building the Tribe MBB reputation for success.