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(10-09-2019 08:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You guys aren't going to change the anti-AAC sentiment of this forum. These are the same guys who argue that UConn has the best football program in the conference. Even if Boise loses and one of the AAC schools run the table, they will argue Boise or Appy State, or someone else is more deserving.

You're kidding, right? There is far more pro - AAC sentiment on this board than the opposite. This board is flooded with posters from the AAC board, which IIRC is the biggest board on this entire forum.

FWIW, I have said (1) that I think an *unbeaten Boise* will get the NY6 bid over a *once beaten anybody* from the AAC. I have also said that (2) if Boise loses, then the AAC champ will get the NY6 bid. And (3) that if Boise is unbeaten AND the AAC champ is also unbeaten, then that will be a very close call and I don't know what will happen.

None of those three things comports with what you said above about even if Boise loses I or we will say they are still more deserving than an unbeaten AAC champ.

You are the bias here. 07-coffee3
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(10-09-2019 09:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(10-09-2019 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that the AAC will have going for it- odds are really good if both are undefeated that SMU/Memphis game on November 2 will be the ESPN Gameday game and quite possibly the ABC Saturday Night Football game of the week. HUGE advantage for the AAC there I think. Especially since the first ratings release of the season for the CFP is November 5.

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sorry but you don't think that having a national prime time game, and even game day wouldn't be a big deal? The only other good game for game day would be Georgia/Florida in Jacksonville(could see that if Florida beats LSU and both are still undefeated).

If Florida and Georgia are undefeated, that game trumps Memphis vs SMU by a mile and a half, no contest.

Even if Florida loses to LSU, unless they get creamed, which is unlikely, they are unlikely to fall very far, probably to say #12.

So #3 Georgia vs #12 Florida is still a way bigger game than SMU vs Memphis, neither will be ranked anywhere near that high. Plus Florida/Georgia is one of the big traditional rivalries in football.

IMO, thinking that ABC would make that a spotlight game over FL/UGA is very much pro - AAC wishful thinking, but hey, maybe we shall see.

Florida/Georgia is CBS game of the week....

you go and look at the other games and tell me any that would be over SMU/Memphis(remembering SEC games can't be on ABC). There aren't any. Clemson plays FCS team. Alabama, LSU are off. Ohio St off. Oklahoma off. Wisconsin off.

Also, Game Day even with Florida Georgia could easily still go to Memphis. ESPN likes taking that show to new places.
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(10-09-2019 09:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:25 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 09:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that the AAC will have going for it- odds are really good if both are undefeated that SMU/Memphis game on November 2 will be the ESPN Gameday game and quite possibly the ABC Saturday Night Football game of the week. HUGE advantage for the AAC there I think. Especially since the first ratings release of the season for the CFP is November 5.

sorry but you don't think that having a national prime time game, and even game day wouldn't be a big deal? The only other good game for game day would be Georgia/Florida in Jacksonville(could see that if Florida beats LSU and both are still undefeated).

If Florida and Georgia are undefeated, that game trumps Memphis vs SMU by a mile and a half, no contest.

Even if Florida loses to LSU, unless they get creamed, which is unlikely, they are unlikely to fall very far, probably to say #12.

So #3 Georgia vs #12 Florida is still a way bigger game than SMU vs Memphis, neither will be ranked anywhere near that high. Plus Florida/Georgia is one of the big traditional rivalries in football.

IMO, thinking that ABC would make that a spotlight game over FL/UGA is very much pro - AAC wishful thinking, but hey, maybe we shall see.

Florida/Georgia is CBS game of the week....

Good point. 04-cheers
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The selection committee is not going to make any selection based on overall conference strength. If they did, Clemson would likely get shut out because the ACC is relatively weak this year. And that's not going to happen unless Clemson falls against one of those weak teams.

The same is likely if Boise is undefeated. The odds against an undefeated AAC champion are very high. But we have to keep in mind that the entire pool from which the selection committee must choose is only five schools, two of which have probably already played themselves out of consideration.
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(10-09-2019 10:04 AM)ken d Wrote:  The selection committee is not going to make any selection based on overall conference strength. If they did, Clemson would likely get shut out because the ACC is relatively weak this year. And that's not going to happen unless Clemson falls against one of those weak teams.

The same is likely if Boise is undefeated. The odds against an undefeated AAC champion are very high. But we have to keep in mind that the entire pool from which the selection committee must choose is only five schools, two of which have probably already played themselves out of consideration.

Overall conference strength doesn't matter- BUT your opponents in conference play do matter. Memphis for instance plays in the tougher division and they have 3 of the top 4 teams in the other division as crossover opponents. Meanwhile, Boise has to play the 2 worst teams in the other division along with not the top team. Avg sagarin conference opponent for Memphis 61. Avg Sagarin conference opponent for Boise 96. That's a HUGE difference.
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(10-09-2019 10:04 AM)ken d Wrote:  The selection committee is not going to make any selection based on overall conference strength. If they did, Clemson would likely get shut out because the ACC is relatively weak this year. And that's not going to happen unless Clemson falls against one of those weak teams.

The same is likely if Boise is undefeated. The odds against an undefeated AAC champion are very high. But we have to keep in mind that the entire pool from which the selection committee must choose is only five schools, two of which have probably already played themselves out of consideration.

I agree in part about conference, at least with respect to the MW and AAC champs, which i do think garner more respect than the champs of the other three.

IOW's, if somehow we end up with unbeaten Boise, unbeaten Memphis, and unbeaten Sun Belt champ, the SB champ has no chance, it will be a close call between Boise and Memphis.
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(10-09-2019 08:20 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I do feel lots of folks would prefer, to use your example, Navy vs. Auburn (as opposed to Boise vs. Navy). It would create the ultimate contrast.

To me, when I think of Boise vs Auburn, I think Auburn would win but then again Boise has beaten Auburn - type teams in NY6 games before, so I will be interested to watch.

When I think Auburn vs Navy, I think ... slaughter. On defense Auburn is going to put 8 guys who are all bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone on Navy in the box, and just blitz in and destroy their option attack. And on offense, Navy's defense will be helpless against Auburn's athletes.

That's the way I think of it, but maybe I am projecting on to others.
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(10-09-2019 10:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:04 AM)ken d Wrote:  The selection committee is not going to make any selection based on overall conference strength. If they did, Clemson would likely get shut out because the ACC is relatively weak this year. And that's not going to happen unless Clemson falls against one of those weak teams.

The same is likely if Boise is undefeated. The odds against an undefeated AAC champion are very high. But we have to keep in mind that the entire pool from which the selection committee must choose is only five schools, two of which have probably already played themselves out of consideration.

I agree in part about conference, at least with respect to the MW and AAC champs, which i do think garner more respect than the champs of the other three.

IOW's, if somehow we end up with unbeaten Boise, unbeaten Memphis, and unbeaten Sun Belt champ, the SB champ has no chance, it will be a close call between Boise and Memphis.

If it's those 3-
Memphis avg conf opp 61 plus CCG
Boise avg conf opp 96 plus CCG
App St avg conf opp 114 plus CCG

Memphis could easily play UCF- top 30 team
Boise could easily play San Diego St- top 30 team
App St could easily play Louisiana- currently #67

yeah. Like Quo said- no chance for App St.
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(10-09-2019 10:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 08:20 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I do feel lots of folks would prefer, to use your example, Navy vs. Auburn (as opposed to Boise vs. Navy). It would create the ultimate contrast.

To me, when I think of Boise vs Auburn, I think Auburn would win but then again Boise has beaten Auburn - type teams in NY6 games before, so I will be interested to watch.

When I think Auburn vs Navy, I think ... slaughter. On defense Auburn is going to put 8 guys who are all bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone on Navy in the box, and just blitz in and destroy their option attack. And on offense, Navy's defense will be helpless against Auburn's athletes.

That's the way I think of it, but maybe I am projecting on to others.

just throwing it out there- but if Auburn played Navy- I'd venture a guess that any pro prospect from Auburn's 8 man box would skip the ball game to avoid all the cuttting blocks.
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(10-09-2019 10:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 08:20 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I do feel lots of folks would prefer, to use your example, Navy vs. Auburn (as opposed to Boise vs. Navy). It would create the ultimate contrast.

To me, when I think of Boise vs Auburn, I think Auburn would win but then again Boise has beaten Auburn - type teams in NY6 games before, so I will be interested to watch.

When I think Auburn vs Navy, I think ... slaughter. On defense Auburn is going to put 8 guys who are all bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone on Navy in the box, and just blitz in and destroy their option attack. And on offense, Navy's defense will be helpless against Auburn's athletes.

That's the way I think of it, but maybe I am projecting on to others.


Agree. I was simply using Navy as a worthy consideration if it is 12-1 at season's end and Boise is also 12-1.
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(10-09-2019 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 08:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You guys aren't going to change the anti-AAC sentiment of this forum. These are the same guys who argue that UConn has the best football program in the conference. Even if Boise loses and one of the AAC schools run the table, they will argue Boise or Appy State, or someone else is more deserving.

You're kidding, right? There is far more pro - AAC sentiment on this board than the opposite. This board is flooded with posters from the AAC board, which IIRC is the biggest board on this entire forum.

FWIW, I have said (1) that I think an *unbeaten Boise* will get the NY6 bid over a *once beaten anybody* from the AAC. I have also said that (2) if Boise loses, then the AAC champ will get the NY6 bid. And (3) that if Boise is unbeaten AND the AAC champ is also unbeaten, then that will be a very close call and I don't know what will happen.

None of those three things comports with what you said above about even if Boise loses I or we will say they are still more deserving than an unbeaten AAC champ.

You are the bias here. 07-coffee3


Quo, I don't think CliftonAve was suggesting there is more anti-AAC sentiment/posters on the board then there is pro-AAC sentiment. He simply was saying there are some posters whom he feels are anti-AAC, and I'm assuming he feels you are one of those. If so, I disagree with him. I feel you are strongly anti-hyper-homer-AAC, to be specific, which I am too. You have plenty of posts that are respectful of the American.
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(10-09-2019 11:01 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 08:20 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I do feel lots of folks would prefer, to use your example, Navy vs. Auburn (as opposed to Boise vs. Navy). It would create the ultimate contrast.

To me, when I think of Boise vs Auburn, I think Auburn would win but then again Boise has beaten Auburn - type teams in NY6 games before, so I will be interested to watch.

When I think Auburn vs Navy, I think ... slaughter. On defense Auburn is going to put 8 guys who are all bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone on Navy in the box, and just blitz in and destroy their option attack. And on offense, Navy's defense will be helpless against Auburn's athletes.

That's the way I think of it, but maybe I am projecting on to others.


Agree. I was simply using Navy as a worthy consideration if it is 12-1 at season's end and Boise is also 12-1.

I see. I wrongly assumed you were comparing an unbeaten Boise to a once-beaten Navy. I agree, if both have one loss, then I'm not sure what the CFP will do. Navy could get the bid, especially because they will have a win over a likely- ranked Notre Dame team. In fact, as I've said, my gut feeling tells me Boise only gets the NY6 bid if they go unbeaten.
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(10-09-2019 04:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 11:01 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 08:20 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I do feel lots of folks would prefer, to use your example, Navy vs. Auburn (as opposed to Boise vs. Navy). It would create the ultimate contrast.

To me, when I think of Boise vs Auburn, I think Auburn would win but then again Boise has beaten Auburn - type teams in NY6 games before, so I will be interested to watch.

When I think Auburn vs Navy, I think ... slaughter. On defense Auburn is going to put 8 guys who are all bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone on Navy in the box, and just blitz in and destroy their option attack. And on offense, Navy's defense will be helpless against Auburn's athletes.

That's the way I think of it, but maybe I am projecting on to others.


Agree. I was simply using Navy as a worthy consideration if it is 12-1 at season's end and Boise is also 12-1.

I see. I wrongly assumed you were comparing an unbeaten Boise to a once-beaten Navy. I agree, if both have one loss, then I'm not sure what the CFP will do. Navy could get the bid, especially because they will have a win over a likely- ranked Notre Dame team. In fact, as I've said, my gut feeling tells me Boise only gets the NY6 bid if they go unbeaten.

Seems we're fully on the same page.

The one wildcard in the "Boise vs. the American" scenario is, for example, SMU loses to Memphis in, say, three OTs but pounds every other foe (including a solid Cincy or Temple in the AAC title game that Memphis fails to make due to two league losses) to finish 12-1. And, in this hypothetical, SMU beats a Navy team that beats Notre Dame. And, in this hypothetical, Boise looks average in winning out. In that highly unlikely scenario, the 12-1 SMU might get the NY6 game over the 13-0 Boise.

But my head is spinning simply typing this, so I'll go quaff a craft beer and eat some Smart Food White Cheddar Popcorn.

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I do think that BSU has the advantage do ton the fact that the AAC champ will not have a BSU record, which brings me to the point if the AAC gets the divisional waiver. Can you imagine a SMU-Memphis CCG game vs a BSU-whoever game. Only a champion team can go. I have to believe that the A5 is really interested to see how that would work out in a non A5 setting.
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(10-11-2019 05:31 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  I do think that BSU has the advantage do ton the fact that the AAC champ will not have a BSU record, which brings me to the point if the AAC gets the divisional waiver. Can you imagine a SMU-Memphis CCG game vs a BSU-whoever game. Only a champion team can go. I have to believe that the A5 is really interested to see how that would work out in a non A5 setting.

SMU or Memphis could go undefeated.
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(10-11-2019 05:31 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  I do think that BSU has the advantage do ton the fact that the AAC champ will not have a BSU record, which brings me to the point if the AAC gets the divisional waiver. Can you imagine a SMU-Memphis CCG game vs a BSU-whoever game. Only a champion team can go. I have to believe that the A5 is really interested to see how that would work out in a non A5 setting.

I think with the increased visibility the AAC has enjoyed media interest has picked up as well. Skeptical this will happen, but a local news guy put this out on twitter. Not sure who his "uncomfirmed" source is though...maybe Miko?

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(10-11-2019 07:46 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 05:31 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  I do think that BSU has the advantage do ton the fact that the AAC champ will not have a BSU record, which brings me to the point if the AAC gets the divisional waiver. Can you imagine a SMU-Memphis CCG game vs a BSU-whoever game. Only a champion team can go. I have to believe that the A5 is really interested to see how that would work out in a non A5 setting.

I think with the increased visibility the AAC has enjoyed media interest has picked up as well. Skeptical this will happen, but a local news guy put this out on twitter. Not sure who his "uncomfirmed" source is though...maybe Miko?


where have we seen that before on here???
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Any chance 2 G5 champs finish in the Top 12? I could see an AAC team get that high. Boise?
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(10-11-2019 10:37 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Any chance 2 G5 champs finish in the Top 12? I could see an AAC team get that high. Boise?

it's possible....

but might not be enough. If SEC had 4 top 10 teams- very possible- they could easily be the Cotton at large rep.
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(10-11-2019 10:37 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Any chance 2 G5 champs finish in the Top 12? I could see an AAC team get that high. Boise?

Possible, but unlikely.
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