(09-19-2019 08:50 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  According to ESPN.

I don’t agree but wow ESPN seems to be fully on the P6 bandwagon geez.

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. LSU/UCF

(09-19-2019 08:50 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  According to ESPN.

I don’t agree but wow ESPiN seems to be fully on the P6 bandwagon geez.

Advertising their investment. Not a bad one, either.

If ESPN is going to be making statements like this then they need to be paying UCF (and the rest of the AAC) like they are the 2nd best SEC school, not the peanuts they currently are.

UCF has beaten an FCS school (FAMU) and two weaker FBS schools that were blown out by opponents back to back (FAU and Stanford). Stanford especially looks bad, as they were blown by a USC team that lost to a BYU team we all know is mediocre, and thus so is USC.

Basically the results so far say UCF is similar strength as USC, BYU and Tennessee. They play another middling school in Pitt, then enter the AAC schedule where they wont face a legitimate top 20 school.Cincy who was blown by tOSU and Houston who were rolled over by WSU in the 2nd half at home are two of the maybe four best they'll face.

This time it's not their fault on the schedule, as Stanford usually is a top 20 school, but this year they are maybe 40th or 50th.SO they will again end the year having played nobody of consequence.

(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

(09-20-2019 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

The moderator got worried and tried to steer him towards that.

(09-20-2019 08:59 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Don't see UCF ever getting a ACC bid. FSU and Miami will vote no. NC schools will vote no, the don't want to give up being the state with four schools in the conference. ACC knows that Division-less may be the best hope if they ever join a conference. ND would likely be willing to be the only school in the conference willing not to have a conference rival. So they only need add 3 ACC games to be in the conference. Again, I don't see it happening any where in the near future but it would make it easier just to add ND and no one else if that time would ever to happen.

Agreed the ACC is never happening. I still think they’d be a great fit in the Big 12 however.

(09-20-2019 07:57 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big win by Tulane, maybe go with UC/Tulane as long term projects for the Big 12 with Houston the odd man out, along with the Florida pair.

No shot.

Tulane can’t get 20k in that tiny stadium a game to save their life. Looks like they’re turning into a solid program but the fan support ain’t there.

And btw, the Big 12 doesn’t need and won’t take any “projects”. They’re doing just fine without adding any more teams taking more than they give.

The NFL will be the final arbiter on UCF. If this team produces more drifted players this year than Georgia, LSU, and any other SEC school not named Alabama, then that statement will be true.

I suspect that wont be the case.

(09-20-2019 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

"Better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt" does not mean UCF would go 5-0 against those teams every year if they were in the SEC East.

Look at Utah and TCU as examples. In their best MWC years, they were arguably better than UCF has been the past two years. They've done well in the Pac-12 and Big 12, but they're not winning 10 or 11 games almost every year as they did in the MWC.

(09-20-2019 10:25 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The NFL will be the final arbiter on UCF. If this team produces more drifted players this year than Georgia, LSU, and any other SEC school not named Alabama, then that statement will be true.

I suspect that wont be the case.

Yeah I’m pretty sure Temple churns out the most NFLers by far when it comes to non P5.

(09-20-2019 08:35 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 08:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The was another thread about biggest loser in expansion, in my mind it has been UCF. If there is a team that should be in the B12, it should be UCF. If the AAC can get the new rule to pass for Division-less football CCG for over 10, B12 would be wise to come calling.

UCF hasn't been a loser at all. They got a step up from CUSA to a better AAC. They're playing better opponents than they were previously, just signed a solid TV contract, and are able to regularly schedule home/homes with P5s.

If they keep up this streak for the immediate future they're pretty much a lock to be the next call up by either the ACC or Big 12.

Most of their conference mates were in CUSA with them. 7 of them in total jumped from CUSA in 12-13. I guess you’re referring to Cincinnati, Temple and Navy.

(09-20-2019 10:09 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UCF has beaten an FCS school (FAMU) and two weaker FBS schools that were blown out by opponents back to back (FAU and Stanford). Stanford especially looks bad, as they were blown by a USC team that lost to a BYU team we all know is mediocre, and thus so is USC.

Basically the results so far say UCF is similar strength as USC, BYU and Tennessee. They play another middling school in Pitt, then enter the AAC schedule where they wont face a legitimate top 20 school.Cincy who was blown by tOSU and Houston who were rolled over by WSU in the 2nd half at home are two of the maybe four best they'll face.

This time it's not their fault on the schedule, as Stanford usually is a top 20 school, but this year they are maybe 40th or 50th.SO they will again end the year having played nobody of consequence.

Sounds like we play high school teams the way these people slant it, in the previous 4 seasons we've played 10 teams that FINISHED in the Top 25. To compare, a team like Boise St. played only 3 teams that finished in the Top 25. And I don't know about the educational system where P5 teams are located are but going undefeated regular season for the 3rd year so far and soundly beating Auburn and giving LSU a good fight without our star QB in the last 2 New Year's 6 bowls might tell you that UCF is a pretty strong program and I think should be at least near the Top 10.

(09-20-2019 11:14 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 08:35 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 08:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The was another thread about biggest loser in expansion, in my mind it has been UCF. If there is a team that should be in the B12, it should be UCF. If the AAC can get the new rule to pass for Division-less football CCG for over 10, B12 would be wise to come calling.

UCF hasn't been a loser at all. They got a step up from CUSA to a better AAC. They're playing better opponents than they were previously, just signed a solid TV contract, and are able to regularly schedule home/homes with P5s.

If they keep up this streak for the immediate future they're pretty much a lock to be the next call up by either the ACC or Big 12.

Most of their conference mates were in CUSA with them. 7 of them in total jumped from CUSA in 12-13. I guess you’re referring to Cincinnati, Temple and Navy.

Also USF, who had abandoned the rivalry at the end of the last decade.

It's marginal, but still a more prestigious conference. Plus, they're more able to get home and homes with P5s, which is one of their main goals.

(09-20-2019 11:50 AM)ShadowKnight Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 10:09 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UCF has beaten an FCS school (FAMU) and two weaker FBS schools that were blown out by opponents back to back (FAU and Stanford). Stanford especially looks bad, as they were blown by a USC team that lost to a BYU team we all know is mediocre, and thus so is USC.

Basically the results so far say UCF is similar strength as USC, BYU and Tennessee. They play another middling school in Pitt, then enter the AAC schedule where they wont face a legitimate top 20 school.Cincy who was blown by tOSU and Houston who were rolled over by WSU in the 2nd half at home are two of the maybe four best they'll face.

This time it's not their fault on the schedule, as Stanford usually is a top 20 school, but this year they are maybe 40th or 50th.SO they will again end the year having played nobody of consequence.

Sounds like we play high school teams the way these people slant it, in the previous 4 seasons we've played 10 teams that FINISHED in the Top 25. To compare, a team like Boise St. played only 3 teams that finished in the Top 25. And I don't know about the educational system where P5 teams are located are but going undefeated regular season for the 3rd year so far and soundly beating Auburn and giving LSU a good fight without our star QB in the last 2 New Year's 6 bowls might tell you that UCF is a pretty strong program and I think should be at least near the Top 10.

That Auburn team was banged up from playing playoff teams at the end of year. Auburn went from playing for the National Championship and playing Georgia, Alabama, Georgia(loss). That Auburn team was not up for that game. A lot of top 25 teams could have beat Auburn in that bowl game. The SEC championship game loser doesn't do well in the bowl games.

Not being up for a game is not an excuse for losing it.

(09-20-2019 01:16 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:50 AM)ShadowKnight Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 10:09 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UCF has beaten an FCS school (FAMU) and two weaker FBS schools that were blown out by opponents back to back (FAU and Stanford). Stanford especially looks bad, as they were blown by a USC team that lost to a BYU team we all know is mediocre, and thus so is USC.

Basically the results so far say UCF is similar strength as USC, BYU and Tennessee. They play another middling school in Pitt, then enter the AAC schedule where they wont face a legitimate top 20 school.Cincy who was blown by tOSU and Houston who were rolled over by WSU in the 2nd half at home are two of the maybe four best they'll face.

This time it's not their fault on the schedule, as Stanford usually is a top 20 school, but this year they are maybe 40th or 50th.SO they will again end the year having played nobody of consequence.

Sounds like we play high school teams the way these people slant it, in the previous 4 seasons we've played 10 teams that FINISHED in the Top 25. To compare, a team like Boise St. played only 3 teams that finished in the Top 25. And I don't know about the educational system where P5 teams are located are but going undefeated regular season for the 3rd year so far and soundly beating Auburn and giving LSU a good fight without our star QB in the last 2 New Year's 6 bowls might tell you that UCF is a pretty strong program and I think should be at least near the Top 10.

That Auburn team was banged up from playing playoff teams at the end of year. Auburn went from playing for the National Championship and playing Georgia, Alabama, Georgia(loss). That Auburn team was not up for that game. A lot of top 25 teams could have beat Auburn in that bowl game. The SEC championship game loser doesn't do well in the bowl games.

Yeah and I guess we weren't up for LSU game, since we didn't make the playoffs.

It's too early to say who's exactly 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th best in the SEC. Thus, definitely too early to tell where UCF would hypothetically be placed.

(09-20-2019 10:34 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

"Better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt" does not mean UCF would go 5-0 against those teams every year if they were in the SEC East.

Look at Utah and TCU as examples. In their best MWC years, they were arguably better than UCF has been the past two years. They've done well in the Pac-12 and Big 12, but they're not winning 10 or 11 games almost every year as they did in the MWC.

I've heard this type argument multiple times from SEC homers (not that your are one, Wedge, with all due respect, as you are not). If, hypothetically, UCF's program had been in the SEC for, say, five to six years, and had recruited as an SEC program (and not this one or two or three UCF strong "teams" of the past), who is to say UCF would not only be stronger than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt but ... a good bit better? You have to look at the big picture. UCF is located in Florida in a city that has a certain cache. Put that program (emphasis on "program") in the SEC ... watch out.

Now, to be fair, I don't think UCF would go 5-0 against the programs mentioned above. But ... the Knights would more than hold their own.

(09-20-2019 07:18 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 10:34 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 08:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  According to one talking head on an AAC game. The other guy tried to real him back by saying maybe in the SEC East.

UCF is clearly better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. So there wouldn't even be a debate if he'd said "3rd best in the SEC East."

2nd best is debatable, but not that controversial. UCF currently ranked 6 spots behind Florida, which is basically a crapshoot at this point in the season.

"Better than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt" does not mean UCF would go 5-0 against those teams every year if they were in the SEC East.

Look at Utah and TCU as examples. In their best MWC years, they were arguably better than UCF has been the past two years. They've done well in the Pac-12 and Big 12, but they're not winning 10 or 11 games almost every year as they did in the MWC.

I've heard this type argument multiple times from SEC homers (not that your are one, Wedge, with all due respect, as you are not). If, hypothetically, UCF's program had been in the SEC for, say, five to six years, and had recruited as an SEC program (and not this one or two or three UCF strong "teams" of the past), who is to say UCF would not only be stronger than Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt but ... a good bit better? You have to look at the big picture. UCF is located in Florida in a city that has a certain cache. Put that program (emphasis on "program") in the SEC ... watch out.

Now, to be fair, I don't think UCF would go 5-0 against the programs mentioned above. But ... the Knights would more than hold their own.

The SEC arguments (about Boise State) were way over the top. Homers argued that Boise couldn't win two games in the SEC. That's an exaggeration.

My position is, as I said above, look at Utah and TCU. That's about what UCF would do.