This is a truly great read. https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/17/foo...16-16.aspx

(09-19-2019 04:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  This is a truly great read. https://emueagles.com/news/2019/9/17/foo...16-16.aspx

Great article! I do not recall any of the 1984 situation having happened, so it's a good history lesson!

Good story thanks for sharing.

This is why I have a special hate for the school in Mount Pleasant...

Gee it would be great to have real crowd sizes like that again

The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

(09-23-2019 08:17 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

When did football turn their back? Did Coach Creighton make that decision? Did the players make that decision? Or was it the school administration making what they thought was a difficult but necessary fiscal decision? A decision like this stops at the AD office, but involves even higher levels of administration. Stop putting this all on the football program! There were several other sports that were not affected by that decision, but I haven't seen you blame any of them.

(09-24-2019 07:14 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:17 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

When did football turn their back? Did Coach Creighton make that decision? Did the players make that decision? Or was it the school administration making what they thought was a difficult but necessary fiscal decision? A decision like this stops at the AD office, but involves even higher levels of administration. Stop putting this all on the football program! There were several other sports that were not affected by that decision, but I haven't seen you blame any of them.

I always see football players and coaches at our other teams games supporting them

(09-24-2019 09:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:14 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:17 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

When did football turn their back? Did Coach Creighton make that decision? Did the players make that decision? Or was it the school administration making what they thought was a difficult but necessary fiscal decision? A decision like this stops at the AD office, but involves even higher levels of administration. Stop putting this all on the football program! There were several other sports that were not affected by that decision, but I haven't seen you blame any of them.

I always see football players and coaches at our other teams games supporting them

I just don't see LJM...'s point.

1984 seemed to be an attempt by some MAC schools to toss EMU under the bus supposedly to save the MAC...

Maybe if there were hashtags back then: #TheyHateUs so it would be THEM Vs. US.
As also indicated above, that is a great way to mobilize support. Threaten to kick us out of the conference SHOULD be meet with strong, decisive actions to prevent it by the university and all stakeholders.

I believe in 1995 the university rallied to buy FB tickets, etc to meet the NCAA 15K requirements. I believe I bought 25 tickets at half price ($5 each) (I believe it was 5 season tickets) even though I wasn't going to use more than say one or two game tickets (I don't live in the Midwest).

As noted above, what we have now is an attempt to 'right size' EMU athletics based on some essentially uncontrollable factors, such as budget problems, Title IX, etc.

(09-24-2019 07:14 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:17 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

When did football turn their back? Did Coach Creighton make that decision? Did the players make that decision? Or was it the school administration making what they thought was a difficult but necessary fiscal decision? A decision like this stops at the AD office, but involves even higher levels of administration. Stop putting this all on the football program! There were several other sports that were not affected by that decision, but I haven't seen you blame any of them.

While we were cutting other sports football spending grew irresponsibly. It was shameful and financially absurd.

I don’t put this on the players, but on the administration. The coaching staff should accept some of the blame themselves. C.C. used to beg students to attend football games. But when they needed help he went into hiding. I asked him to do what he could to publicly support the programs on the cutting block. To my knowledge he washed his hands of the situation.

(09-24-2019 09:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 09:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-24-2019 07:14 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:17 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  The enthusiasm and crowds were a direct result of the U coming together to save football. As an entire organization, it was one of our few shining moments. Compare that to recent cuts where the football program turned its back on other student athletes.

When did football turn their back? Did Coach Creighton make that decision? Did the players make that decision? Or was it the school administration making what they thought was a difficult but necessary fiscal decision? A decision like this stops at the AD office, but involves even higher levels of administration. Stop putting this all on the football program! There were several other sports that were not affected by that decision, but I haven't seen you blame any of them.

I always see football players and coaches at our other teams games supporting them

I just don't see LJM...'s point.

1984 seemed to be an attempt by some MAC schools to toss EMU under the bus supposedly to save the MAC...

Maybe if there were hashtags back then: #TheyHateUs so it would be THEM Vs. US.
As also indicated above, that is a great way to mobilize support. Threaten to kick us out of the conference SHOULD be meet with strong, decisive actions to prevent it by the university and all stakeholders.

I believe in 1995 the university rallied to buy FB tickets, etc to meet the NCAA 15K requirements. I believe I bought 25 tickets at half price ($5 each) (I believe it was 5 season tickets) even though I wasn't going to use more than say one or two game tickets (I don't live in the Midwest).

As noted above, what we have now is an attempt to 'right size' EMU athletics based on some essentially uncontrollable factors, such as budget problems, Title IX, etc.

The MAC went after us exclusively because of the football program. Nothing else. If others are going to work to save the football program, decent behavior is to return the favor.

The is no such thing as a right size athletic department. If football was the only sport we had we’d likely be no better. The program’s fixed problems have nothing to do with other teams.