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Green will start and play the first two drives.

Bloomgen said Tom Stewart didn't Wally Pip Wiley Green but he "made some plays that we haven't seen around here since I've been here."

Both QBs will have drives in each half.

I’m going out on a limb here. We’ve got three tough games behind us and I think the players and coaches have learned some things the past 3 weeks.
Very happy and a bit optimistic about Wiley getting to play some tomorrow.

We DON’T continually run the ball over and over again when it obviously is not working.
We do get the TEs involved more in the passing game.
Pietre and Rosner have real breakout games.
Our pass defense bends, but doesn’t break and we also get more than one sack.
We kick a FG ( !)

The Owls don’t win the game but the Baptists go to church Sunday morning giving thanks that they squeaked out a win at HRS.
Tang and Illini take the points and win a bundle.

38-31. Baylor.

Way out on a limb here. But I’ve just got a feeling...... ‘Hope it’s just not something like the flu coming on.

Im still hoping to retire with a Rice 'straight line' bet win.

I'm actually leaning toward taking the points this weekend.........

A bit OT, but we are talking about Baylor, and I don't want to start a new thread for this.

The more I think about it, the more I tend to think that the Baylor Med debacle was a significant downturn for Rice. I know the reason for the effort, and I applaud it--we want to get back into the USN&WR top ten, which I think is a reasonable goal, and a med school (and to a lesser extent a law school) would have a major favorable impact on that effort. But I am not sure we went about it right. Baylor Med was basically dealing with a significant internal revolt. A lot of the docs were pissed off about the effort to build their own hospital (which was ultimately sold to the VA, IIRC) and that was a major financial risk associated with the deal. I wonder if we could have reprised the Lovett raids on Princeton faculty and cut a deal with Methodist, picked off the docs who wanted to stay there, and had a pretty respectable med school from day one.

Anyway, I still support the idea of trying to get back into the USN&WR top ten (although that's probably more appearances than anything real) and I still think getting a med school and a law school would be the best way to get there.

Anyone have 4 unwanted tix? Was considering attendance and not opposed to the cost, but if someone has spares it might affect my decision.

(09-20-2019 04:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

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Green will start and play the first two drives.

Bloomgen said Tom Stewart didn't Wally Pip Wiley Green but he "made some plays that we haven't seen around here since I've been here."

Both QBs will have drives in each half.

I'm Ok with using both. Would've liked to have seen Marshman get some reps by now too. He can make a 40+ yard run at anytime, brings different skill set than the other 2 who are basically pocket passers.

Don't like that the coach is committing to playing both in both halves - if one has a hot start, stick with him. At this point I lean towards Stewart. Green isn't as strong, can't carry the ball. He fumbles and turns it over more. Stewart has the stronger arm, better deep ball from what we've seen. But this is an open audition for the starting gig - Green shouldn't lose his starting gig just because he was out one week with an injury, and Stewart didn't do enough to take over, but he showed just enough to make it a 2 QB system for now.

(09-20-2019 08:48 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 04:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

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Green will start and play the first two drives.

Bloomgen said Tom Stewart didn't Wally Pip Wiley Green but he "made some plays that we haven't seen around here since I've been here."

Both QBs will have drives in each half.

I'm Ok with using both. Would've liked to have seen Marshman get some reps by now too. He can make a 40+ yard run at anytime, brings different skill set than the other 2 who are basically pocket passers.

Don't like that the coach is committing to playing both in both halves - if one has a hot start, stick with him. At this point I lean towards Stewart. Green isn't as strong, can't carry the ball. He fumbles and turns it over more. Stewart has the stronger arm, better deep ball from what we've seen. But this is an open audition for the starting gig - Green shouldn't lose his starting gig just because he was out one week with an injury, and Stewart didn't do enough to take over, but he showed just enough to make it a 2 QB system for now.

Agreed on all counts. Just one correction-- Wiley has missed the last 7 quarters due to injury; not just one week.

From what I saw of Bloomgren at the press conference, I think it's clear that they are extremely happy with Stewart right now, but feel obligated to get Wiley back in.

(09-20-2019 08:36 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Anyone have 4 unwanted tix? Was considering attendance and not opposed to the cost, but if someone has spares it might affect my decision.

I have two and a parking pass if you want them. I'll be at a family event.

(09-20-2019 09:48 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 08:36 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Anyone have 4 unwanted tix? Was considering attendance and not opposed to the cost, but if someone has spares it might affect my decision.

I have two and a parking pass if you want them. I'll be at a family event.

GreyOwl hooked me up. Will be there tomorrow.

(09-20-2019 07:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A bit OT, but we are talking about Baylor, and I don't want to start a new thread for this.

The more I think about it, the more I tend to think that the Baylor Med debacle was a significant downturn for Rice. I know the reason for the effort, and I applaud it--we want to get back into the USN&WR top ten, which I think is a reasonable goal, and a med school (and to a lesser extent a law school) would have a major favorable impact on that effort. But I am not sure we went about it right. Baylor Med was basically dealing with a significant internal revolt. A lot of the docs were pissed off about the effort to build their own hospital (which was ultimately sold to the VA, IIRC) and that was a major financial risk associated with the deal. I wonder if we could have reprised the Lovett raids on Princeton faculty and cut a deal with Methodist, picked off the docs who wanted to stay there, and had a pretty respectable med school from day one.

Anyway, I still support the idea of trying to get back into the USN&WR top ten (although that's probably more appearances than anything real) and I still think getting a med school and a law school would be the best way to get there.

No way Rice ever does a law school. Houston already has South Texas, UH, and TSU. I dont see the Houston area being able to do #4.

Further, law schools overall are still seeing the result from massive losses in students from the mid 90's -- early 2000's levels. The major issue is that with all the concern over education debt, the camoflauge has been stripped off the efficacy of and payback of law school re: starting opportunities and median pay.

And even going into last year there are still cutbacks in staff at law schools attributable to the not-declining but persistence of lower enrollment numbers relative to even just 10 years ago, not to mention 'law school peak' of 2004 or so.

I dont see Rice jumping into what is still a glutted market. They shouldnt. I too would like to see it, but I just dont see it happening.

Again, this may be a case of Rice missing the train to be a persistent top 10 school.

(09-20-2019 07:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im still hoping to retire with a Rice 'straight line' bet win.

I'm actually leaning toward taking the points this weekend.........

Well this week's 'pseudo bet' (because it *is* illegal in Texas) boils down to the 2 questions:

a) Is Baylor really ready to roll coming off their bye week?
b) Baylor this year seemingly has zero issue not taking their foot off the gas when they have their opponent on the ground and their foot against their throat. Not making a moral argument against this practice, or complaining. But Baylor seemingly has the rep for doing this currently.

If they had shown any 'light foot' this against any opponent this year I would grab the points in a heartbeat. But talking with people I respect in their picks, I am coming to the conclusion that their changing their behavior may not be the case --

On the other hand, my base call re: Texas last week was dead wrong -- I ended up eking the 'theoretical' bet into a win by a fluke since Herman actually took his foot off the gas earlier than I thought he would.

But I know I am going to go in one direction with a 'theoretical' bet. 1st half score is Baylor -16.5. I think I will definitely give the points there. Rice points will come in garbage time, and even if there is a 'foot off the gas', Baylor has every incentive to put on as many 1st half points as they can.

(09-21-2019 08:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 07:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A bit OT, but we are talking about Baylor, and I don't want to start a new thread for this.
The more I think about it, the more I tend to think that the Baylor Med debacle was a significant downturn for Rice. I know the reason for the effort, and I applaud it--we want to get back into the USN&WR top ten, which I think is a reasonable goal, and a med school (and to a lesser extent a law school) would have a major favorable impact on that effort. But I am not sure we went about it right. Baylor Med was basically dealing with a significant internal revolt. A lot of the docs were pissed off about the effort to build their own hospital (which was ultimately sold to the VA, IIRC) and that was a major financial risk associated with the deal. I wonder if we could have reprised the Lovett raids on Princeton faculty and cut a deal with Methodist, picked off the docs who wanted to stay there, and had a pretty respectable med school from day one.
Anyway, I still support the idea of trying to get back into the USN&WR top ten (although that's probably more appearances than anything real) and I still think getting a med school and a law school would be the best way to get there.

No way Rice ever does a law school. Houston already has South Texas, UH, and TSU. I dont see the Houston area being able to do #4.
Further, law schools overall are still seeing the result from massive losses in students from the mid 90's -- early 2000's levels. The major issue is that with all the concern over education debt, the camoflauge has been stripped off the efficacy of and payback of law school re: starting opportunities and median pay.
And even going into last year there are still cutbacks in staff at law schools attributable to the not-declining but persistence of lower enrollment numbers relative to even just 10 years ago, not to mention 'law school peak' of 2004 or so.
I dont see Rice jumping into what is still a glutted market. They shouldnt. I too would like to see it, but I just dont see it happening.
Again, this may be a case of Rice missing the train to be a persistent top 10 school.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty much with you on that, especially the part about missing the train to be a persistent top ten university.

I do think a law school could add a lot of cachet by doing some pretty innovative things with the Jones School and the Baker Center, things like becoming a leader in energy law, technology and IP law, international business transactions, and maybe international commercial litigation and arbitration--things that would be right up your alley. But I don't see it happening. Acquiring South Texas would give you a law library and a giving base of alums who might enjoy their status as newfound Rice alums. But a faculty of adjuncts teaching criminal defense and personal injury law to night students is not exactly the group on whom to build that kind of law school.

I think the med school would be a bigger bump, and one probably more in line with Rice's historic mainline emphasis. And that one could have happened.

(09-21-2019 08:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  No way Rice ever does a law school. Houston already has South Texas, UH, and TSU. I dont see the Houston area being able to do #4.

Further, law schools overall are still seeing the result from massive losses in students from the mid 90's -- early 2000's levels. The major issue is that with all the concern over education debt, the camoflauge has been stripped off the efficacy of and payback of law school re: starting opportunities and median pay.

And even going into last year there are still cutbacks in staff at law schools attributable to the not-declining but persistence of lower enrollment numbers relative to even just 10 years ago, not to mention 'law school peak' of 2004 or so.

I dont see Rice jumping into what is still a glutted market. They shouldnt. I too would like to see it, but I just dont see it happening.

I have thought for a while that a boutique law school might work for Rice. Work something out with another local law school to cover the basic 1st year courses (contracts, torts, Con law, criminal law, etc.). The 2nd and 3rd year law students specialize in something that Rice's undergrad and grad schools are already good at, or are locally relevant. Patent law, biomedical and medical law, energy law (including oil & gas), governmental law & policy. Relatively small standing faculty but draw heavily on local practitioners. Just an idea.

(09-21-2019 09:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I do think a law school could add a lot of cachet by doing some pretty innovative things with the Jones School and the Baker Center, things like becoming a leader in energy law, technology and IP law, international business transactions, and maybe international commercial litigation and arbitration--things that would be right up your alley. But I don't see it happening.

Yeah, basically something like this.

(09-21-2019 11:15 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 08:15 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  No way Rice ever does a law school. Houston already has South Texas, UH, and TSU. I dont see the Houston area being able to do #4.

Further, law schools overall are still seeing the result from massive losses in students from the mid 90's -- early 2000's levels. The major issue is that with all the concern over education debt, the camoflauge has been stripped off the efficacy of and payback of law school re: starting opportunities and median pay.

And even going into last year there are still cutbacks in staff at law schools attributable to the not-declining but persistence of lower enrollment numbers relative to even just 10 years ago, not to mention 'law school peak' of 2004 or so.

I dont see Rice jumping into what is still a glutted market. They shouldnt. I too would like to see it, but I just dont see it happening.

I have thought for a while that a boutique law school might work for Rice. Work something out with another local law school to cover the basic 1st year courses (contracts, torts, Con law, criminal law, etc.). The 2nd and 3rd year law students specialize in something that Rice's undergrad and grad schools are already good at, or are locally relevant. Patent law, biomedical and medical law, energy law (including oil & gas), governmental law & policy. Relatively small standing faculty but draw heavily on local practitioners. Just an idea.

Wont be UH then. UH built up one of the top ranked specialized IP law schools back in the early 90's with the deep ties to Arnold White. Got it up to #2 or #3 before Santa Clara and Berkeley jumped into the 'specialty build' IP party. I think it is in the 6-ish spot now.

And, UH is really gunning to pull itself up from the 'top of the middle tier law schools' so I wouldnt see them racing to to help an upstart by providing the 'basics', especially an upstart that has the potential to blow them out in the medium term (which I do think a Rice law school would do....)

And, to be blunt, TSU is so far down the rankings and prestige scale to really want to avoid a partnership there.

South Texas would be logical choice. I actually think STCL would be open to a 'basic juco' 1L program, as I think it might make a long term tie to a Rice Law School that much more tangible. STCL doesnt seem to be adverse to trying to tie themself to a real university --- they tried to do so with A&M not so long ago.

I actually think a 'beginner deal' with STCL could lead to a longer term 'takeover' of the school by Rice. And, STCL has always been a preeminent moot court and mock trial competitor -- they routinely win national competitions against supposedly much better schools. And they have in the last couple of years buttressed against their reputation as a 'trial lawyer' school with the addition of people like Josh Blackmon, who has arisen in the last 6 or 7 years as a very preeiminent libertarian Constitutional scholar.

Unlike #s, I think STCL has the bare bones to build a pretty good law school with backing -- which they just dont have. Logical partners are limited to one: Rice.

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(09-21-2019 09:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I do think a law school could add a lot of cachet by doing some pretty innovative things with the Jones School and the Baker Center, things like becoming a leader in energy law, technology and IP law, international business transactions, and maybe international commercial litigation and arbitration--things that would be right up your alley. But I don't see it happening.

Yeah, basically something like this.

I appreciate Tang's insight into the "Rice Law School" question.
And on the other side, I think the ship has pretty much sailed on the Med school question, too. Barring an influx of a HUGE amount of specific giving to fund a Med School at Rice, it's just not happening. Texas does NOT need another medical school. We've got plenty of them now, or in the pipeline. What we do need is GME slots...residency programs. A BIG chunk of the medical students graduating from Texas medical schools leave the state to train because they can't get a residency in Texas.
The State Leg needs to do more to provide funding to hospitals that are willing to take on the somewhat onerous responsibility of starting new programs to train residents. Especially in Primary Care. And especially in underserved areas..Panhandle, W Texas, The Valley.

(09-21-2019 12:07 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  I appreciate Tang's insight into the "Rice Law School" question.
And on the other side, I think the ship has pretty much sailed on the Med school question, too. Barring an influx of a HUGE amount of specific giving to fund a Med School at Rice, it's just not happening. Texas does NOT need another medical school. We've got plenty of them now, or in the pipeline. What we do need is GME slots...residency programs. A BIG chunk of the medical students graduating from Texas medical schools leave the state to train because they can't get a residency in Texas.
The State Leg needs to do more to provide funding to hospitals that are willing to take on the somewhat onerous responsibility of starting new programs to train residents. Especially in Primary Care. And especially in underserved areas..Panhandle, W Texas, The Valley.

yes, yes, and yes