(09-16-2019 08:30 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 06:18 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

How can Marshall be head & shoulders above JMU if JMU would beat Marshall head to head EASILY?

Sure thing Colgate.

Colgate was decent last year. See their game vs. Army. Marshall would have fared even worse. Next!

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:16 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

As for the bold part about why this isn't done in football. WKU actually does this with their football from what I understand. I know they've landed a few home-home games with P5 schools because of it.

It would never work for an FCS program though. FBS schools are not going to go play at FCS schools. If we were to play at an FCS school JMU and North Dakota State are the only ones I would be ok with playing at though.

Best of luck this year. I'll be tuning in after first round or so of the playoffs.

It's hard to debate the history and success of Marshall football but CURRENTLY the "head and shoulders above" may just be a bit of an overstatement but I guess we wont know for the foreseeable future unless ya all decide you want to play.

Anyway....Schools like JMU (and Marshall to a lesser extent) are attractive "stepping stone" jobs. The "you have to play us if you leave for greener pastures" is one of the few benefits we could receive. We know we can't hang money wise with 75% of the FBS program and since these contracts are pretty much worthless in retaining coaches, the "mid-majors" should put some teeth into their contracts.

If Pit, ND, Penn State want Coach Holliday, great take him, thank you for the buyout and your going to be playing Marshall, see you in a couple of years.

Agreed that we are all stepping stone jobs at the end of the day. Nothing wrong with that either.

Best of luck to you all this year.

(09-16-2019 02:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Marshall had/has done more than JMU ever thought of doing. Won 2 National Titles when you had only made the playoffs 4 times then. Also Marshall was JMUs 1st playoff loss in 1987, 41-7.

Marshall:
8 playoffs from 1987-1996
29 total playoff games 23-6
2 National Titles
2 Walter Payton Awards
In the polls from 1991-1996 with no weeks out, 61 of those weeks either 1 or 2
#1 from week 1 to the National Title Game in 1996

IA
8 Conference Titles
3 Heisman Finalists
1 Sammy Baugh Award winner
1 Biletnikoff Award winner
1 Nagurski Award winner
Finished Ranked in the polls 10 out of 19 years, RV in 2 others
Finished Ranked 10th in 1999
4 1 loss seasons
Highest winning % at home in all of IA
27 Draft picks, 2 1st round and 6 2nd round picks
Best winning % in bowls with a min of 10 games
14 Bowl Games in 19 years
12-2 in Bowls

If Marshall never moved up we would have done what NDSU is doing right now but the school and admin had higher asperations than that. Everyone knew in 1988 when Joan C Edwards stadium was approved that we would be IA someday, that happened to be after the 1996 season.

Like I said enjoy bringing in more Morgan State's and sharing a conference with the likes of Rhode Island, Maine and Richmond. None of which has a football tradition. My guess is Stony Brook or Albany try and move to IA before JMU does.

And just incase you wanna try and take a jab at academics:

Marshall: R2 National University: Classification
James Madison: Masters College and Universies, Reginal University: Classification

This post actually started pretty good but quickly went downhill before dropping off a cliff. A summary of my thoughts as I read....

- I have no response to the playoff streak, playoff record, and rankings, that does look nice laid out.
- Conference titles, okay but eh. Heisman finalist, certainly cool but I couldn't even name last years heisman finalist so eh.
- Wait, Sammy Baugh, which one is that again? Oh the one that was won recently by hugely successful NFL players such as Matt Johnson, Brandon Doughty, Colby Cameron! Don't remember then? That might be because none ever made an NFL active roster.
- Outstanding receiver award? Oh yea that is obviously Moss. Wait, Pennington and Moss, is he throwing out a bunch of different awards as if Marshall has a legacy of producing a bunch of great players when it was really just two players from two years?
- Nagurski? WTF is that? Lets wikipedia that one, wait what, no Marshall player is listed as a winner, what is he smoking?
- 27 draft picks. I wonder if that is right, I mean JMU has 7 NFL players on active roster right now and the google machine tells me that Marshall only has 6.
- Yada Yada Yada.... wait did this dude just try to compare Marshall and JMU academics? WHAT IS HE SMOKING?!

(09-16-2019 02:36 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  love the reginal universities

And their “higher aspergers” or dbdbdbdb something.


Mmmmk.

Serious ?, how much time do any of you spend seeking out and posting on an afterthought like Marshall’s message board?

Honestly has never crossed my mind...

(09-16-2019 02:37 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 02:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  And just incase you wanna try and take a jab at academics:

Marshall: R2 National University: Classification
James Madison: Masters College and Universies, Reginal University: Classification

What a tool.

That classification just means you're spending money towards research and doctoral programs. It has nothing to do with the quality of those programs. Or your students.

Hence your not even being ranked in the national classification- you're dumped in a bucket with all the other bottom feeders. Even ODU is ranked higher than you, so I'd shut up about your new designation (even though I'm jealous you're at least classified as national).

You ever been to Huntington?

NO need to be jelly about anything.

Sad, sickly kinda place

(09-16-2019 06:38 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:16 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

As for the bold part about why this isn't done in football. WKU actually does this with their football from what I understand. I know they've landed a few home-home games with P5 schools because of it.

It would never work for an FCS program though. FBS schools are not going to go play at FCS schools. If we were to play at an FCS school JMU and North Dakota State are the only ones I would be ok with playing at though.

Best of luck this year. I'll be tuning in after first round or so of the playoffs.

This would have been something to discuss between Bourne and the Texas State AD when EW was leaving. As it is, someone reported on here that TX State/EW simply asked to have the contracted amount due to JMU reduced and we kindly caved.

Good.

I woulda kicked in some extra $$$’s myself to get rid of “the juice”.

None too soon