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RE: US News: UC clocks in at #139
(09-13-2019 12:33 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 11:25 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 10:35 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 04:02 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Does anyone have any insights on the current long-term plan for enrollment? How many students is the main campus planning on supporting?

This is an issue, and a bigger one that many might think.

Two years ago, I tried to rank universities by density. Students per acre. I didn't check every school & I only looked at main campuses, but this is the list I came up with:

universities ranked by students/acre
642 - Depaul ( 36 acres, 23110 students )
565 - Portland State ( 50 acres, 28,241 students )
344 - Temple ( 115 acres, 39,515 students )
324 - Cincinnati ( 137 acres, 44,338 students )
267 - UW-Milwaukee ( 104 acres, 27,813 students )
218 - NYU ( 230 acres, 50,027 students )
217 - Pitt ( 132 acres, 28,617 students )
217 - Cal State San Francisco ( 134 acres, 29,045 students )
209 - San Jose State ( 154 acres, 32,154 students )
207 - Cleveland State ( 85 acres, 17,620 students )
170 - Cal State Fullerton ( 236 acres, 40,235 students )
159 - Cal State Los Angeles ( 175 acres, 27,827 students )
138 - USC (Southern California) ( 308 acres, 42,469 students )
134 - Wayne State ( 203 acres, 27,298 students )
129 - Marquette ( 93 acres, 12,002 students )
127 - Boise State ( 175 acres, 22,259 students )
123 - San Diego State ( 283 acres, 34,688 students )
122 - Tulane ( 110 acres, 13,449 students )
119 - Illinois-Chicago ( 244 acres, 29,048 students )
114 - Cal State Long Beach ( 330 acres, 37,776 students )
113 - Arizona ( 380 acres, 43,088 students )
113 - Cal State Northridge ( 353 acres, 39,916 students )
107 - UCLA ( 419 acres, 44,947 students )
104 - Georgia State ( 518 acres, 54,000 students )
104 - Akron ( 218 acres, 22,619 students )
103 - UM-KC ( 157 acres, 16,160 students )
102 - Nevada ( 209 acres, 21,353 students )
102 - Sacramento ( 300 acres, 30,510 students )
100 - Harvard ( 210 acres, 21,000 students )

Obviously research intensive schools have a higher employee-to-student ratio. For example, Harvard & Akron have similar # of students but Harvard has to find offices & labs for 16,000 employees compared to Akron's 3,500 (and about 40% of Akron's are part time).

I was looking at this a few years back (specifically Walsh compared to UC) when a relative enrolled at Walsh up in Canton. On their recruiting pamphlet they noted the campus size as 136 acres which is almost identical to UC but they only have 2,300 undergrads. I was amazed and tried to imagine UC's campus with so few people on it and it'd be a ghost town.. then looked into whether UC's student body/acreage was normal.

Spoiler alert.. it's not. UC needs to eventually look into getting out of its 4 main street enclosure (Clifton/MLK/Jefferson/Calhoun) if it's going to keep expanding. What's going on with the piece of property just west of Vine between Calhoun and McMillan? Last I heard, Metro was going to turn it into a massive bus hub.

On the contrary, I think many students who choose UC do so because they like its urban setting, and don't want to be on a traditional campus like that of OSU.

Does UC really feel that "urban?" The biggest land use in the surrounding neighborhoods is single-family houses, and the second biggest is parks. Sure, it's more urban than OSU or Dayton, but it's not exactly Brooklyn or Chicago's Miracle Mile. It's not even Wrigleyville. There's not even any rail or subway lines.

I've only visited a couple dozen schools, but UCLA feels just as urban to me as UC. Marquette & Boston University actually seemed more urban than UC.

But none of those have anywhere near the space constraints UC does on our main campus. We've actually done really well with what little space we have. Not only does UC fit more students per acre, we also managed to fit all the facilities for an FBS sports program.
 
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Go look at the location of the 1819 innovation hub and the planned development over by that new exit off 71. Trace it back through the medical campus until you eventually reach the grid where main campus is locked in. It forms a massive "U" shape now. Consider that most of the space filling that "U" is student housing. Suddenly you're beginning to see a vision wherein UC dominates the entire grid from I75 to I71 and completely encloses downtown. I assume that's where UC is thinking with their expansion and it makes sense. I was absolutely amazed by how large OSUs sphere of influence is. UC has enough students to begin thinking about modeling their brand in a similar way. I assume Pinto wants to keep expanding student enrollment to fill that space as well.
 
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RE: US News: UC clocks in at #139
This pdf shows UC’s goals to meet by 2019:

https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/presid...n_2010.pdf
 
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RE: US News: UC clocks in at #139
(09-13-2019 10:35 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 04:02 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Does anyone have any insights on the current long-term plan for enrollment? How many students is the main campus planning on supporting?

This is an issue, and a bigger one that many might think.

Two years ago, I tried to rank universities by density. Students per acre. I didn't check every school & I only looked at main campuses, but this is the list I came up with:

universities ranked by students/acre
642 - Depaul ( 36 acres, 23110 students )
565 - Portland State ( 50 acres, 28,241 students )
344 - Temple ( 115 acres, 39,515 students )
324 - Cincinnati ( 137 acres, 44,338 students )
267 - UW-Milwaukee ( 104 acres, 27,813 students )
218 - NYU ( 230 acres, 50,027 students )
217 - Pitt ( 132 acres, 28,617 students )
217 - Cal State San Francisco ( 134 acres, 29,045 students )
209 - San Jose State ( 154 acres, 32,154 students )
207 - Cleveland State ( 85 acres, 17,620 students )
170 - Cal State Fullerton ( 236 acres, 40,235 students )
159 - Cal State Los Angeles ( 175 acres, 27,827 students )
138 - USC (Southern California) ( 308 acres, 42,469 students )
134 - Wayne State ( 203 acres, 27,298 students )
129 - Marquette ( 93 acres, 12,002 students )
127 - Boise State ( 175 acres, 22,259 students )
123 - San Diego State ( 283 acres, 34,688 students )
122 - Tulane ( 110 acres, 13,449 students )
119 - Illinois-Chicago ( 244 acres, 29,048 students )
114 - Cal State Long Beach ( 330 acres, 37,776 students )
113 - Arizona ( 380 acres, 43,088 students )
113 - Cal State Northridge ( 353 acres, 39,916 students )
107 - UCLA ( 419 acres, 44,947 students )
104 - Georgia State ( 518 acres, 54,000 students )
104 - Akron ( 218 acres, 22,619 students )
103 - UM-KC ( 157 acres, 16,160 students )
102 - Nevada ( 209 acres, 21,353 students )
102 - Sacramento ( 300 acres, 30,510 students )
100 - Harvard ( 210 acres, 21,000 students )

Obviously research intensive schools have a higher employee-to-student ratio. For example, Harvard & Akron have similar # of students but Harvard has to find offices & labs for 16,000 employees compared to Akron's 3,500 (and about 40% of Akron's are part time).
Is there a stat for students to classrooms or students to overall building capacity? UC is dense, but the concentration of buildings are also dense. I've never felt like a sardine on campus.
 
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RE: US News: UC clocks in at #139
(09-14-2019 07:04 AM)crex043 Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 10:35 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 04:02 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Does anyone have any insights on the current long-term plan for enrollment? How many students is the main campus planning on supporting?

This is an issue, and a bigger one that many might think.

Two years ago, I tried to rank universities by density. Students per acre. I didn't check every school & I only looked at main campuses, but this is the list I came up with:

universities ranked by students/acre
642 - Depaul ( 36 acres, 23110 students )
565 - Portland State ( 50 acres, 28,241 students )
344 - Temple ( 115 acres, 39,515 students )
324 - Cincinnati ( 137 acres, 44,338 students )
267 - UW-Milwaukee ( 104 acres, 27,813 students )
218 - NYU ( 230 acres, 50,027 students )
217 - Pitt ( 132 acres, 28,617 students )
217 - Cal State San Francisco ( 134 acres, 29,045 students )
209 - San Jose State ( 154 acres, 32,154 students )
207 - Cleveland State ( 85 acres, 17,620 students )
170 - Cal State Fullerton ( 236 acres, 40,235 students )
159 - Cal State Los Angeles ( 175 acres, 27,827 students )
138 - USC (Southern California) ( 308 acres, 42,469 students )
134 - Wayne State ( 203 acres, 27,298 students )
129 - Marquette ( 93 acres, 12,002 students )
127 - Boise State ( 175 acres, 22,259 students )
123 - San Diego State ( 283 acres, 34,688 students )
122 - Tulane ( 110 acres, 13,449 students )
119 - Illinois-Chicago ( 244 acres, 29,048 students )
114 - Cal State Long Beach ( 330 acres, 37,776 students )
113 - Arizona ( 380 acres, 43,088 students )
113 - Cal State Northridge ( 353 acres, 39,916 students )
107 - UCLA ( 419 acres, 44,947 students )
104 - Georgia State ( 518 acres, 54,000 students )
104 - Akron ( 218 acres, 22,619 students )
103 - UM-KC ( 157 acres, 16,160 students )
102 - Nevada ( 209 acres, 21,353 students )
102 - Sacramento ( 300 acres, 30,510 students )
100 - Harvard ( 210 acres, 21,000 students )

Obviously research intensive schools have a higher employee-to-student ratio. For example, Harvard & Akron have similar # of students but Harvard has to find offices & labs for 16,000 employees compared to Akron's 3,500 (and about 40% of Akron's are part time).
Is there a stat for students to classrooms or students to overall building capacity? UC is dense, but the concentration of buildings are also dense. I've never felt like a sardine on campus.

When I go back and walk around campus, it feels less dense to me than when I graduated in 72. Two buildings disappeared from between McMicken and Tangeman, and I don't think the "Old Tech" building was mourned. The green space is much nicer. Newer buildings have gone to the periphery (Business, library, medical campus, etc. )

The perception that UC is in the middle of a ghetto is old, and has been perpetuated by some news media. Incidents in the area are blown up with headlines about being near UC.

Back in 72, I would have been nervous walking from the main campus to the medical center area at night. It is simply very, very different today.
 
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RE: US News: UC clocks in at #139
(09-14-2019 07:39 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 07:04 AM)crex043 Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 10:35 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 04:02 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Does anyone have any insights on the current long-term plan for enrollment? How many students is the main campus planning on supporting?

This is an issue, and a bigger one that many might think.

Two years ago, I tried to rank universities by density. Students per acre. I didn't check every school & I only looked at main campuses, but this is the list I came up with:

universities ranked by students/acre
642 - Depaul ( 36 acres, 23110 students )
565 - Portland State ( 50 acres, 28,241 students )
344 - Temple ( 115 acres, 39,515 students )
324 - Cincinnati ( 137 acres, 44,338 students )
267 - UW-Milwaukee ( 104 acres, 27,813 students )
218 - NYU ( 230 acres, 50,027 students )
217 - Pitt ( 132 acres, 28,617 students )
217 - Cal State San Francisco ( 134 acres, 29,045 students )
209 - San Jose State ( 154 acres, 32,154 students )
207 - Cleveland State ( 85 acres, 17,620 students )
170 - Cal State Fullerton ( 236 acres, 40,235 students )
159 - Cal State Los Angeles ( 175 acres, 27,827 students )
138 - USC (Southern California) ( 308 acres, 42,469 students )
134 - Wayne State ( 203 acres, 27,298 students )
129 - Marquette ( 93 acres, 12,002 students )
127 - Boise State ( 175 acres, 22,259 students )
123 - San Diego State ( 283 acres, 34,688 students )
122 - Tulane ( 110 acres, 13,449 students )
119 - Illinois-Chicago ( 244 acres, 29,048 students )
114 - Cal State Long Beach ( 330 acres, 37,776 students )
113 - Arizona ( 380 acres, 43,088 students )
113 - Cal State Northridge ( 353 acres, 39,916 students )
107 - UCLA ( 419 acres, 44,947 students )
104 - Georgia State ( 518 acres, 54,000 students )
104 - Akron ( 218 acres, 22,619 students )
103 - UM-KC ( 157 acres, 16,160 students )
102 - Nevada ( 209 acres, 21,353 students )
102 - Sacramento ( 300 acres, 30,510 students )
100 - Harvard ( 210 acres, 21,000 students )

Obviously research intensive schools have a higher employee-to-student ratio. For example, Harvard & Akron have similar # of students but Harvard has to find offices & labs for 16,000 employees compared to Akron's 3,500 (and about 40% of Akron's are part time).
Is there a stat for students to classrooms or students to overall building capacity? UC is dense, but the concentration of buildings are also dense. I've never felt like a sardine on campus.

When I go back and walk around campus, it feels less dense to me than when I graduated in 72. Two buildings disappeared from between McMicken and Tangeman, and I don't think the "Old Tech" building was mourned. The green space is much nicer. Newer buildings have gone to the periphery (Business, library, medical campus, etc. )

The perception that UC is in the middle of a ghetto is old, and has been perpetuated by some news media. Incidents in the area are blown up with headlines about being near UC.

Back in 72, I would have been nervous walking from the main campus to the medical center area at night. It is simply very, very different today.
Sorry... Should have clarified on my statement. I agree with you - it does not feel dense. While the building concentration is higher than other universities I've been to (namely Kent State), I've never felt packed in or ran into a traffic jam of students outside of a building and parking has never been an issue during the week.
 
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