Cincinnati Bearcats

Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside down "w"
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
CliftonAve Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 21,880
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1171
I Root For: Jimmy Nippert
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-17-2019 10:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, they lost 4 to Captain Tee Time. Lol

I think those 4+ CLF’s first year have them hope better days were ahead. Fact is it was a pause in what had been dominance.
 
09-17-2019 10:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcat 1985 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 805
Joined: Oct 2016
Reputation: 66
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #22
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-17-2019 10:11 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  There are some over there that believe Miami’s losing streak began with Martin. They seem to forget they already lost eight straight against UC beforehand, not to mention years prior to that that equates to 17 out of the last 21. The worm turned many years ago.

Looking at themselves in the mirror with objective, clear eyes--whether academically or athletically--is not a strength of theirs. That "university" lives off of self-delusion and self-aggrandizement. It is the literal soul of their institutional culture.
 
09-17-2019 10:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmill Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,338
Joined: Jan 2005
Reputation: 63
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-17-2019 10:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 09:28 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The thread where Chuck Martin compares playing Ohio Stare to a game at recess where the other team gets the first 85 picks on the playground is priceless.

They were so sure UC and Miami were equal programs last week. Now everyone is going insane. It's been pretty tremendous over there.

The Martin quote is a great one.

Their message board is comedic gold. Playing UC close in 2017 makes them think somehow both programs are equal.
 
09-17-2019 11:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatlawjd2 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,014
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 66
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #24
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside down "w"
Only four games in last 14 wins have been single digits UC wins. Three included the worst UC teams in the last two decades. Two of those games were in Oxford. Every other game has been at least a two TD UC win. Eight have been UC by 21 or more including the last two.
 
09-17-2019 11:36 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Z-Fly Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,975
Joined: Jul 2017
Reputation: 138
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location: Finneytown
Post: #25
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside down "w"
Are the previously mentioned Miami threads on CSNbbs? The Miami board looked inactive.
 
09-17-2019 01:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Online
Moderator
*

Posts: 30,727
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 800
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #26
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-17-2019 01:34 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Are the previously mentioned Miami threads on CSNbbs? The Miami board looked inactive.

http://test.miamihawktalk.com/talk/categories/football
 
09-17-2019 02:05 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Z-Fly Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,975
Joined: Jul 2017
Reputation: 138
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location: Finneytown
Post: #27
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-17-2019 02:05 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(09-17-2019 01:34 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Are the previously mentioned Miami threads on CSNbbs? The Miami board looked inactive.

http://test.miamihawktalk.com/talk/categories/football

You da man. Thanks Mark!
 
09-17-2019 02:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TubaCat Offline
1st Chair
*

Posts: 2,403
Joined: Sep 2014
Reputation: 109
I Root For: Bearcats, tubas
Location: Murphy's
Post: #28
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
MHT is always good for a laugh. I go for the schadenfreude, but stay for the Chuck Martin nicknames.

Also, almost every thread has a reference to the 2017 game when coach Chuck forgot to call a timeout. That game truly disturbed them.
 
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019 07:29 AM by TubaCat.)
09-18-2019 07:19 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OKIcat Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,617
Joined: Sep 2015
Reputation: 185
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #29
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-18-2019 07:19 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  MHT is always good for a laugh. I go for the schadenfreude, but stay for the Chuck Martin nicknames.

Also, almost every thread has a reference to the 2017 game when coach Chuck forgot to call a timeout. That game truly disturbed them.

Yep it's kind of fun to surf over to MHT. If I were a donor to athletics over there, I would be outraged at the state of the both men's basketball and football the past decade plus. Obviously, the MAC has lots of limitations and is no place to sustain greatness in either sport. But the Redhawks can't really even make noise within the conference these days. In football, they were once pretty dominant but recent success belongs to Buffalo, Northern IL, Toledo and Ohio.

Other than a visit from UC or Ohio, do they even get 10,000 fans in the stands? To me, their prospects are bad, and worsening, for competing in FBS football long term.
 
09-18-2019 08:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatdp Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,283
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 66
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #30
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-18-2019 08:25 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 07:19 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  MHT is always good for a laugh. I go for the schadenfreude, but stay for the Chuck Martin nicknames.

Also, almost every thread has a reference to the 2017 game when coach Chuck forgot to call a timeout. That game truly disturbed them.

Yep it's kind of fun to surf over to MHT. If I were a donor to athletics over there, I would be outraged at the state of the both men's basketball and football the past decade plus. Obviously, the MAC has lots of limitations and is no place to sustain greatness in either sport. But the Redhawks can't really even make noise within the conference these days. In football, they were once pretty dominant but recent success belongs to Buffalo, Northern IL, Toledo and Ohio.

Other than a visit from UC or Ohio, do they even get 10,000 fans in the stands? To me, their prospects are bad, and worsening, for competing in FBS football long term.

Why do you think this is? Is there a resource disparity amongst MAC teams? This is a shame because I really like the rivalry and wish Miami were at the top of the MAC to make these games mean more. I wish we were at the top of the AAC too but it shows how far Miami has fallen over the past decade+.
 
09-18-2019 08:39 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CliftonAve Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 21,880
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1171
I Root For: Jimmy Nippert
Location:
Post: #31
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-18-2019 08:39 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 08:25 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 07:19 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  MHT is always good for a laugh. I go for the schadenfreude, but stay for the Chuck Martin nicknames.

Also, almost every thread has a reference to the 2017 game when coach Chuck forgot to call a timeout. That game truly disturbed them.

Yep it's kind of fun to surf over to MHT. If I were a donor to athletics over there, I would be outraged at the state of the both men's basketball and football the past decade plus. Obviously, the MAC has lots of limitations and is no place to sustain greatness in either sport. But the Redhawks can't really even make noise within the conference these days. In football, they were once pretty dominant but recent success belongs to Buffalo, Northern IL, Toledo and Ohio.

Other than a visit from UC or Ohio, do they even get 10,000 fans in the stands? To me, their prospects are bad, and worsening, for competing in FBS football long term.

Why do you think this is? Is there a resource disparity amongst MAC teams? This is a shame because I really like the rivalry and wish Miami were at the top of the MAC to make these games mean more. I wish we were at the top of the AAC too but it shows how far Miami has fallen over the past decade+.

A few theories:

1) Miami is a hockey school.
2) Location is a problem. Most alums don't live in or around Oxford, and as we know it is a pain in the arse to even drive there for most people. As a result, this affects crowd size at their football/basketball games.
3) Too many Ohio FBS programs and too many DI basketball programs. On top of that, NKU now has a better basketball program and nicer facilities than Miami.
4) Ohio and Toledo have done very well for a few reasons. One, they have a lot of fan and alumni support. Ohio does not have a competing university in their backyard (ala Kent/Akron/YSU and Miami having to compete with us).
5) Just spit-balling here, but one has to wonder if the fact that half of Miami's student population being from out of state is a reason for student apathy. Most of those kids grew up not knowing where Miami University was, much less care about their athletics.
6) Re: Basketball, Millett Hall is a dump. Wall World was 20 years ago. Ron Harper was even longer ago. Too much competition: Ohio MAC schools, UC, Wright State, UD, Ohio State, NKU, Ball State, etc.
7) Kind of ties in with some other points, but our rise in FB may have hit them harder than any of the other MAC schools. If you are a local recruit, do you want to play in front of your friends and family at Nippert or do you want to play in front of 5K people? Moreover, UC has the better TV deal.
 
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019 08:56 AM by CliftonAve.)
09-18-2019 08:49 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rath v2.0 Online
Wartime Consigliere
*

Posts: 51,148
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 2150
I Root For: Civil Disobedience
Location: Tip Of The Mitt

Donators
Post: #32
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside down "w"
It’s finances. Miami’s athletic department is broke as a joke.


Their head coach was originally signed for about 1/5 of what CLF is making and their assistant pools are stupid small. In year 6 on the second contract and Martin is still only making @ $500k as a HC. You get what you pay for.
 
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019 09:07 AM by rath v2.0.)
09-18-2019 09:04 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcat 1985 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 805
Joined: Oct 2016
Reputation: 66
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #33
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
Miami's not even a hockey school. They were a historically mediocre or worse program that lucked into a hot, young coach. For about an 8 year run, they were nationally relevant but even then really didn't win much of anything, no national championships and maybe 3 conference or conference tourney championships.

Still, and in classic Miami fashion, they declared themselves "hockey's newest dynasty!" Well, the hot coach cooled off, and their program regressed to its historical norm. In their current conference, which is full of actual hockey schools, they're a doormat.
 
09-18-2019 12:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OKIcat Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,617
Joined: Sep 2015
Reputation: 185
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #34
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-18-2019 09:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It’s finances. Miami’s athletic department is broke as a joke.


Their head coach was originally signed for about 1/5 of what CLF is making and their assistant pools are stupid small. In year 6 on the second contract and Martin is still only making @ $500k as a HC. You get what you pay for.


Bolded, always the case. This may have changed, but in the past the MAC had a conference mandated hard cap on salaries for coaches and it was quite low for major college football.

I'm sure the intent was good in that it created some parity and preserved scarce financial resources at these mid-sized regional state universities. But it's also meant that a great season or two was a ticket straight out of the conference for most of its coaches. Unless it's a retirement job, the MAC can't hold a successful football coach.
 
09-18-2019 01:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CliftonAve Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 21,880
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1171
I Root For: Jimmy Nippert
Location:
Post: #35
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside down "w"
^^ According to the USA Today Coaching Salaries ledger, Chuck Martin has a $524,826 base salary which puts him in the upper half of the MAC (per 2018- obviously there are a couple changes):

Jason Candle (Toledo) $1,250,000
Tim Lester (WMU) $800,000
John Bonamego (CMU) $655,000
Rod Carey (NIU) $633,560
Frank Solich (Ohio) $588,331 (considering he has been there 17 years this is crazy)
Chuck Martin (Miami) $524,826
Chris Creighton (EMU) $460,000
Lance Leipold (Buffalo) $455,500
Sean Lewis (Kent) $440,000
Mike Jinks (BGSU) $437,228
Mike Neu (Ball State) $435,689
Terry Bowden (Akron) $411,000

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
 
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019 01:57 PM by CliftonAve.)
09-18-2019 01:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OKIcat Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,617
Joined: Sep 2015
Reputation: 185
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #36
RE: Miami Cheerleaders bring the team on the field with the first "M" upside...
(09-18-2019 08:49 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 08:39 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 08:25 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-18-2019 07:19 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  MHT is always good for a laugh. I go for the schadenfreude, but stay for the Chuck Martin nicknames.

Also, almost every thread has a reference to the 2017 game when coach Chuck forgot to call a timeout. That game truly disturbed them.

Yep it's kind of fun to surf over to MHT. If I were a donor to athletics over there, I would be outraged at the state of the both men's basketball and football the past decade plus. Obviously, the MAC has lots of limitations and is no place to sustain greatness in either sport. But the Redhawks can't really even make noise within the conference these days. In football, they were once pretty dominant but recent success belongs to Buffalo, Northern IL, Toledo and Ohio.

Other than a visit from UC or Ohio, do they even get 10,000 fans in the stands? To me, their prospects are bad, and worsening, for competing in FBS football long term.

Why do you think this is? Is there a resource disparity amongst MAC teams? This is a shame because I really like the rivalry and wish Miami were at the top of the MAC to make these games mean more. I wish we were at the top of the AAC too but it shows how far Miami has fallen over the past decade+.

A few theories:

1) Miami is a hockey school.
2) Location is a problem. Most alums don't live in or around Oxford, and as we know it is a pain in the arse to even drive there for most people. As a result, this affects crowd size at their football/basketball games.
3) Too many Ohio FBS programs and too many DI basketball programs. On top of that, NKU now has a better basketball program and nicer facilities than Miami.
4) Ohio and Toledo have done very well for a few reasons. One, they have a lot of fan and alumni support. Ohio does not have a competing university in their backyard (ala Kent/Akron/YSU and Miami having to compete with us).
5) Just spit-balling here, but one has to wonder if the fact that half of Miami's student population being from out of state is a reason for student apathy. Most of those kids grew up not knowing where Miami University was, much less care about their athletics.
6) Re: Basketball, Millett Hall is a dump. Wall World was 20 years ago. Ron Harper was even longer ago. Too much competition: Ohio MAC schools, UC, Wright State, UD, Ohio State, NKU, Ball State, etc.
7) Kind of ties in with some other points, but our rise in FB may have hit them harder than any of the other MAC schools. If you are a local recruit, do you want to play in front of your friends and family at Nippert or do you want to play in front of 5K people? Moreover, UC has the better TV deal.

All of the above contribute to the problem. Stating it a bit differently, the MAC is an anchor for member schools, structurally. Mid-sized schools in smaller TV markets, hence a poor TV deal in terms of both financial rewards and visibility. Many "college towns" around the conference with little built-in market for ticket sales. And because of all the reasons listed, students apparently prefer to stay in the dorm and watch major college football (with a capital M) rather than sit in mostly vacant bleachers to watch MU battle Kent State or Akron.

Toledo has sustained some success and would run, not walk, to the American if offered. I'm not recommending that, but share it only to say if a school is committed to building athletics there are serious limitations on how far it can rise given the constraints of the MAC.
 
09-18-2019 02:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.