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the MAC versus the Power 5 Conf
After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.
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We play 22 of 22 games on the road. The MWC has the most p5 wins of any conference. Their gap is small, why can't ours be. We don't get enough shots at home. Teams won't play up north late in the year. We don't get regional bowl games. The MAC is unlike other G5 conferences
It's not a P5 G5 thing it's that the MAC as a whole kind of sucks. I believe we are an outlier and are, have been, will be successful at the FBS level. Lots of this league cannot.
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(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

Kansas State is not a terrible program and Bowling Green is awful. Other than that, I completely agree. Back in the 90s it was cool to see if Toledo get into the top 25, and it was really special to get a bowl game. Today, separation is monumental and bowl games are garbage. Power 5 conferences are dividing tens of millions among even the weaker of their respective programs. I would like to see it happen. I don't think the AAC or Mountain West would do it. They don't want to be associated with conference USA, the sun belt, or the MAC. But it would make football among the Group of 5 much more interesting.
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(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

I agree 100%Playing for our own NC would be awesome. Basketball has two playoffs. I know it’s still the same division but there’s no reason something like that could not be done for football. Our Ladies have a National Championship in BB. That’s something to be very proud of
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(09-10-2019 03:20 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

I agree 100%Playing for our own NC would be awesome. Basketball has two playoffs. I know it’s still the same division but there’s no reason something like that could not be done for football. Our Ladies have a National Championship in BB. That’s something to be very proud of

Pretty flawed logic as there are 330 teams in basketball. Winning the WNIT means you are better than the teams who won the bad conferences and got into the dance. You're basically the best of the bubble teams not to get in. That's like playing for 40th best of 330 teams. IMO a real accomplishment. Playing for 65th best of 130 does nothing for me. I'm all for cutting out 5-10-25 teams in FBS, and way cutting down bowl games.. but relegating ourselves to FCS1 is not a goal of mine.
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(09-10-2019 03:18 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

Kansas State is not a terrible program and Bowling Green is awful. Other than that, I completely agree. Back in the 90s it was cool to see if Toledo get into the top 25, and it was really special to get a bowl game. Today, separation is monumental and bowl games are garbage. Power 5 conferences are dividing tens of millions among even the weaker of their respective programs. I would like to see it happen. I don't think the AAC or Mountain West would do it. They don't want to be associated with conference USA, the sun belt, or the MAC. But it would make football among the Group of 5 much more interesting.

Had the Rockets not shot themselves in the foot in 2015, they would have been a top25 team
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I agree that the commercialization of the major P5 programs have created a cash windfall that has expanded the inequality between the upper and lower tiers of D1 football. Disagree that MAC programs should be pounding mid to lower level P5 teams on the road. Those teams recruit bigger and faster guys for the most part and have a lot more resources. I feel we should win half our home games vs those guys and our good teams should pull off a road win about a quarter of the time. Fact, everyone expected the MAC to be down this year; Toledo lost a talented senior class-many to the NFL, NIU lost their coaching staff, WMU had 2 of their best players transfer out including one to MSU, UB lost their star guys, etc... only Ohio was expected to not have a dropoff this year.

Kansas St is typically one of the most consistent football programs in P5 below the bluebloods of Michigan, OSU, Alabama, USC, etc... BG is a total rebuild. no one should expect a close game. Ball St did play Indiana tough on a neutral field this year. UT had a chance at Kentucky but a couple self inflicted wounds and qb hit turned the game. UB did lead Penn St at halftime in front of 106,000 and a Network National TV audience and would have been up more if the refs enforced holding on a winded and suprised PSU oline that was several obvious holds away from implosions in the 2nd quarter of that game. Buffalo looked like the better team. Now, Penn St destroyed them in the 2nd half but it wasn't a blowout game. NIU played a really good Utah team well on the Utes home opener before fading late after a terrible game changing call reversed a huge Utah turnover. the road is tough. you usually don't get breaks. a less that vintage MAC this year without a single P5 home game (arguably as BYU is essentially a National P5 school)-isn't going to win much. Typically, the MAC wins 3 or 4 P5 type games per year. Often a couple of these are home contests vs weak P5 teams. This year, the MAC gets no preferable matchups. Use some of the bowl and playoff revenue to subsidize some good games on G5 campuses. Require each P5 to play 1 such game every other year. As for the MAC theres still a few interesting games on the schedule. NIU travels to a pretty good Nebraska team and a defensively solid Vandy. Both would be upsets but NIU could get 1. UT-BYU is a big game to me. WMU travels to Syracuse who was ranked early but has struggled a bit and could be vulnerable if the cheating gods of the dome don't come into play. ohio travels to marshall in a big game even though it is just "G5" . Buffalo plays at a rejuvenated Temple program that has finally found it's football footing. That's a pretty big game out East where there are few decent FBS programs. Miami is at Cincy in a rivalry game. Other MAC teams have P5 opponents but they are rough matchups like Kent at Auburn. This year the MW is up. They both have a lot of P5 opponents at home and a bunch of programs on an upswing. for a few years the MAC was even or better than them. now, they've retaken their traditional role as a tough regional conference.
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(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

A play-off for the non-privileged conferences would only further delegitimize these schools. On the other hand, a play-off championship game between the winner of the mighty 5 play-off champ and the privileged 5 play-off champ would further legitimize these other conferences. Then we would know the true champion (Eg. UCF), and all are involved. Yes, I am using my own branding, since ESPN, etc .. are trying to delegitimize all the non-privileged schools by Branding them as “group”. 03-nutkick
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(09-10-2019 03:40 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 03:18 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 02:28 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  After reviewing what happen to the MAC teams either in their 1st games or this past Saturday, (and not taking into account what other mid majors did against the power 5 leagues) when playing the power 5, I can only conclude maybe its about time there should be a split between Power 5 teams and the mid majors. The Mid majors would have their only national championships and I am talking right now only football. Granted teams like Wisconsin, Ohio state, Mich State, Penn State would blow many of other MAC type teams as well. But to lose against teams like Kan State, Illinois, UB and to get blown out to boot is awful. The MAC top teams must be able to win against the 2nd tier of the power 5, even on their home turf.

Kansas State is not a terrible program and Bowling Green is awful. Other than that, I completely agree. Back in the 90s it was cool to see if Toledo get into the top 25, and it was really special to get a bowl game. Today, separation is monumental and bowl games are garbage. Power 5 conferences are dividing tens of millions among even the weaker of their respective programs. I would like to see it happen. I don't think the AAC or Mountain West would do it. They don't want to be associated with conference USA, the sun belt, or the MAC. But it would make football among the Group of 5 much more interesting.

Had the Rockets not shot themselves in the foot in 2015, they would have been a top25 team

That's a number of seasons, really.. We always seem to have that "Ball State game" in us every season.
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According to the Saragin ratings provided by DetroitRocket, if we hold serve with wins vs. CSU and BYU we should get some attention despite the UK game. First things first...win this home opener!

I don't know what we can do to fight big brother P5 as they are not likely to adopt rules forcing them to play G5 programs unless it is totally in their favor. Give MOB credit for getting us home games that matter on a regular basis.
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I just watched bgsucks, Cmu and buffalo. bg did suck cmu didn't look too much different. But mark my words. The bulls are going to be tuff to beat. They played extremely hard football against penn state. And we are playing at buffalo the second to last game. We had better be ready to play ball every game the rest of the year and be able to go into that game on solid ground. They will be very difficult to control
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(09-13-2019 07:46 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I just watched bgsucks, Cmu and buffalo. bg did suck cmu didn't look too much different. But mark my words. The bulls are going to be tuff to beat. They played extremely hard football against penn state. And we are playing at buffalo the second to last game. We had better be ready to play ball every game the rest of the year and be able to go into that game on solid ground. They will be very difficult to control

I agree. I like their RBs especially.
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buffalo has a tough line and good rbs. their qb and d were good for a half vs a strong penn st team. i wouldn't write off western. they got pounded but their passing game was sharp vs a great msu defense for a while. they just shot themselves in the foot in terms of scoring opportunities and gave up big plays, but if they stay healthy, mac pass defenses are going to be challenged by them. let's see what happens in this emu/illinois game to make an initial judgement on them.
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(09-14-2019 01:17 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 07:46 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I just watched bgsucks, Cmu and buffalo. bg did suck cmu didn't look too much different. But mark my words. The bulls are going to be tuff to beat. They played extremely hard football against penn state. And we are playing at buffalo the second to last game. We had better be ready to play ball every game the rest of the year and be able to go into that game on solid ground. They will be very difficult to control

I agree. I like their RBs especially.

Liberty 35 Buffalo 10 late in the 4th.
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