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Memphis vs Southern - FCS/FBS Disparities
There are always disparities:

“Those are the resources these schools have to get players where they want them to be, that’s the difference,” SU Coach Odums said. “They’ve got a nice training table. They made a commitment to make this one of the better programs in the country. There’s a big difference."

"Odums said he spoke at length with Memphis coach Mike Norvell about the Tigers’ nutrition, training and practice habits ... On Saturday, (Odoms) challenged his school and Jaguar Nation to take a step forward and start thinking down the road in areas such as nutrition and weights. Southern’s lack of depth and stamina led to it wilting in the second half in the triple-degree heat."

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That's my point in becoming a pay advocate.

The gap is always going to exist unless someone wants to impose a draft and revenue sharing.

Might as well have direct cash to players instead of ever fancier lockers and higher and higher coaching salaries.
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Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education
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(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.
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(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

I think you can do it without steak all the time.
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Good assistant coaches and good nutritionists are not cheap. That's where the gap is.
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(09-09-2019 03:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  Good assistant coaches and good nutritionists are not cheap. That's where the gap is.

Lamar is using the nutrition students and the university's Nutrition, Hospitality, and Human Services department. It looks like a win/win to me. The nutrition students get hands on experience. The athletes get the benefit of the program and the Nutrition Center which opened in January.

Lamar offers several nutrition bachelors degrees and one masters degree.

https://lamarcardinals.com/news/2019/1/1...enter.aspx
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(09-09-2019 03:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

I think you can do it without steak all the time.

It's not 1965.

Training tables where budgets are large tend to get dominated by expensive "franken food".

Where budgets are lower, look for a lot of available chicken as well as peanut butter.
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(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

But it can be, it just requires effort.


But I guess it's just far easier to do what always happens when money in college athletics is being discussed and put your hand out and demand some welfare from those with more than you.
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(09-09-2019 04:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

I think you can do it without steak all the time.

It's not 1965.

Training tables where budgets are large tend to get dominated by expensive "franken food".

Where budgets are lower, look for a lot of available chicken as well as peanut butter.

Weird, I haven't seen any "franken foods" in any of the Clemson Football Vlogs when the nutrition staff has been featured. Seen a lot of pasta, vegetables and lean meats, but nothing you couldn't get at your local grocery store.

Best part of our nutrition program is the fact that the staff takes the time to teach these young men how to prepare their own food. From grilling steaks to making healthy tacos to making healthy pizzas, to various pasta dishes.
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(09-09-2019 04:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

I think you can do it without steak all the time.

It's not 1965.

Training tables where budgets are large tend to get dominated by expensive "franken food".

Where budgets are lower, look for a lot of available chicken as well as peanut butter.

I remember the Texas players complaining about getting steak again just 3 or 4 years ago.
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(09-09-2019 04:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 03:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 12:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nutrition, training & practice habits are not exactly secrets
Fancy weights are still just weights
Practice habits are on the coach
Nutrition is education

Training table nutrition tends to not be cheap.

But it can be, it just requires effort.


But I guess it's just far easier to do what always happens when money in college athletics is being discussed and put your hand out and demand some welfare from those with more than you.

WTF????
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I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?
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(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

I think Southern is doing fine from a talent standpoint. Talent isn't the issue down there, probably more feeling the impacts of budget cuts more so than anything. Knowing how SU works this was a case of Odoms talking to his boosters through the media.
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(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

Wealth is relative.

Remember Grambling players went on strike because they had to ride bus from northeast Louisiana to Kansas City or St. Louis and the ceiling of the weight room leaked and they had a poorly controlled MRSA outbreak traced to the weight room.

I suspect most SWAC teams would be impressed by the typical Southland or OVC set-up. The typical Southland or OVC would be impressed by the typical SBC/CUSA/AAC setup and so on.
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(09-10-2019 01:51 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

I think Southern is doing fine from a talent standpoint. Talent isn't the issue down there, probably more feeling the impacts of budget cuts more so than anything. Knowing how SU works this was a case of Odoms talking to his boosters through the media.
Very smart move on his part if that's the case.
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(09-10-2019 01:52 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

Wealth is relative.

Remember Grambling players went on strike because they had to ride bus from northeast Louisiana to Kansas City or St. Louis and the ceiling of the weight room leaked and they had a poorly controlled MRSA outbreak traced to the weight room.

I suspect most SWAC teams would be impressed by the typical Southland or OVC set-up. The typical Southland or OVC would be impressed by the typical SBC/CUSA/AAC setup and so on.

I think that was my point, LOL.

People always talk about the disparities above them. E.g., a Memphis fan will complain about all the advantages Tennessee has being in the SEC. But there are schools below Memphis in the pecking order, and to them Memphis has it made, etc.
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(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

First, I don't think the SU coach was begrudging Memphis. All of his comments about Memphis were of a complimentary nature. He wasn't asking for a handout, and expressed appreciation that the Memphis coaches had allowed him to see their facilities and pick their brains about building their program. He wasn't whining about them having more resources. He was just noting that they DO have more, and that SU needs to get to work on raising more themselves. As "Hornet" noted, the message aimed at SU boosters.

Beyond that, I wonder, would you feel the same about say a Louisiana-Monroe commenting about LSU? If a UL-Monroe coach mentioned all the advantages that LSU has, you'd say something like "I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a G5/Sun Belt school limits you to borderline 2-star talent, you look for excuses."

Right?

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(09-10-2019 02:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 01:41 PM)Mav Wrote:  I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a SWAC school limits you to borderline D2 talent, you look for excuses. I know when I think of wealthy, spoiled football programs, Memphis isn't on that list. If throwing money at the problems you have is how you fix them, then why does Tennessee still suck?

First, I don't think the SU coach was begrudging Memphis. All of his comments about Memphis were of a complimentary nature. He wasn't asking for a handout, and expressed appreciation that the Memphis coaches had allowed him to see their facilities and pick their brains about building their program. He wasn't whining about them having more resources. He was just noting that they DO have more, and that SU needs to get to work on raising more themselves. As "Hornet" noted, the message aimed at SU boosters.

Beyond that, I wonder, would you feel the same about say a Louisiana-Monroe commenting about LSU? If a UL-Monroe coach mentioned all the advantages that LSU has, you'd say something like "I guess when you don't want to come out and admit your status as a G5/Sun Belt school limits you to borderline 2-star talent, you look for excuses."

Right?

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I agree that the SU coach doesn't come off as begrudging what Memphis has but rather challenging the school and boosters to improve what they have.

AState just opened a new facility and it is gorgeous and there are 75 or so schools if they felt AState matched or exceeded their facility can pretty easily swing the cost of exceeding what AState has done.

AState's AD in his upgrade quest is never shy about saying X is as good or better than P5 school Y has but he also is very clear that we aren't really trying to chase P5 schools in capital projects. He has a list of schools he has mentioned publicly a few times as who we try to match. Depending on the day, that list is either 4-6 AAC schools or 3-4 AAC and 2-3 MWC.

We have talked the subject one-on-one several times and he's realistic. He can chase Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati on capital projects and in the process pass a P5 here and there but the P5 can money whip us any time they choose.

By the same token, Southland Conference member Central Arkansas would gladly trade facilities with us in most every sport except baseball and honestly if we start softball as expected, their facility would be a nice starting point for us. Until a couple years ago they would have turned down swapping soccer facilities as well.

I doubt UArk would trade us for any facility and the only sport we could match them in would be women's softball and then only if the city and university agreed to build a joint facility.

In AAC I like what Memphis has done in hoops. Tagging along with the Grizzlies gets them in a top-notch arena in a fan friendly environment even if it's not ideal for students and instead of investing huge money in an arena, they built a great campus practice facility and team meeting space that quite a few P5's would like to have. They've finally figured out to make lemonade out of the Liberty Bowl Stadium situation. Not their dream stadium but with the Mid-South Fair leaving the Liberty Bowl site they have been able to greatly improve the situation.
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Easy fix. Have the NCAA allow EA Sports to bring back NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, NCAA Baseball/Softball games for PS4’s/XBOX/Computers. The licensing fees would be split amongst the Universities represented in the game to go towards player welfare, ie nutrition and COA stipends.

Win for all parties involved. Players and fans.
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