(09-11-2019 07:25 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 05:30 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 03:48 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

Uh, yeah, there's possibly 600 years difference between those two events and, besides, not every religion teaches jerking off is wrong, so can we leave the Science vs. Religion talk at home?

JFC, it was a joke based on Shere Khan's post. The context you chose to cut out made it crystal clear. Lighten the F up.

USFFan

(09-10-2019 07:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 05:56 PM)Comet Wrote:  Honestly, who ******* cares? I’ve been keeping track of this stuff for 15 years and all schools shoot up and fall down over time. It means nothing.

Truth. I've known some dumb fricks that went to "top" schools.

Hate these quotes as it points out the obvious.
You missed to also state that there are geniuses, millionaires, billionaires and plenty of happy successful people who have gone to below average rated schools. You really need to keep up with american college cliches.

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Cincinnati always seems to be stuck in that 120-150 range for the past decade, wish we could start making some real movement up this list. I believe Cincinnati's priority has been increasing enrollment over admission standards as they have the most students starting classes ever (~46k) for the 7th straight year in a row. This has hurt their climb up the ranks but obviously helped their bottom line. I wonder how high Cincinnati's enrollment will go.

I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Cincinnati always seems to be stuck in that 120-150 range for the past decade, wish we could start making some real movement up this list. I believe Cincinnati's priority has been increasing enrollment over admission standards as they have the most students starting classes ever (~46k) for the 7th straight year in a row. This has hurt their climb up the ranks but obviously helped their bottom line. I wonder how high Cincinnati's enrollment will go.

I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

(09-11-2019 08:20 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 05:39 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis is now ranked #135 on the public university list. That is the first time ever, and thus a cause for celebration. The idea that we were a poor academic school was always a false narrative. It was a combination of the criteria favoring land grant schools over urban schools, and the fact no Memphis president has ever promoted our school to his peers.

Plus, we have greatly ramped up our research efforts.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/7356/C...lly-ranked

Memphis State's, and now Memphis's, problem wasn't the school itself so much as the damned Shelby County School System and the Memphis City School system sending them collegiately unqualified dumbasses.

The UofM was seen by many, and may still be seen by many, as an extension of those institutions and was set to received kids who were graduates of those schools. They, however, were not prepared for college and I distinctly remember discussing the dropout rate of the school right after it became the University of Memphis with an administrator - it was killing any dreams of rankings the school had.

Hopefully the city, and the school systems, have come around.

That's it in a nutshell. I've never understood why the university doesn't raise the standards. It hurts the school's academic standing and it doesn't do any favors for students who have no business being accepted in the first place. They flunk out after a semester or two and all they have to show for it, in many cases, is debt.

What about the one’s who barely qualify and don’t flunk out. Who get a chance that no one else in their family had been granted? Should they be discarded? Should the goal of the UoM be to rise in the rankings or serve the community? Think of what you build by serving the Memphis community as far as athletic, community and financial support.
This is my point. Memphis alums/supporters want to feel anger for
not climbing in the rankings without feeling pride that much of the us news mediocrity is because the university is serving it’s mission. The former are very egoic. Why is the goal to always feel like
You belong or are noticed?

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Cincinnati always seems to be stuck in that 120-150 range for the past decade, wish we could start making some real movement up this list. I believe Cincinnati's priority has been increasing enrollment over admission standards as they have the most students starting classes ever (~46k) for the 7th straight year in a row. This has hurt their climb up the ranks but obviously helped their bottom line. I wonder how high Cincinnati's enrollment will go.

I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:45 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Cincinnati always seems to be stuck in that 120-150 range for the past decade, wish we could start making some real movement up this list. I believe Cincinnati's priority has been increasing enrollment over admission standards as they have the most students starting classes ever (~46k) for the 7th straight year in a row. This has hurt their climb up the ranks but obviously helped their bottom line. I wonder how high Cincinnati's enrollment will go.

I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

It is up to you to be offended as a university. The dick measuring begins when u bring in UF, which has a totally separate purpose locTed in useless Gainesville instead of one of the major entertainment destinations in the world.
https://www.ucf.edu/about-ucf/facts/

Thats not only ok but preferred imo.

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

(09-11-2019 09:20 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Yeah, a lot of factors holding us back, but one factor worth mentioning that's pushing us forward is the drop in enrollment across many other Ohio public universities (mostly MAC schools). Cincinnati is clearly establishing itself as the #2 major university in Ohio. 20 years ago there was much more parody across the state schools not named Ohio State.

parity

Ugh edit. Pic upload not working. Tulane was also #1 for community service among USNR rankings for all universities.

Tulane is more than just a national university of northeast rich kids. We are proud of our connection to and with New Orleans and the outreach we do. Every freshman gets a shirt emblazoned "Only at Tulane, Only in New Orleans".

(09-11-2019 10:35 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

They should to a degree. Tulane is #1 in the world in community involvement, so it really isn’t the best battle to engage in. In addition Paul Tulane, the founder ensured that every district must provide free tuition to a local student, again something the rest of the top privates don’t do, so pick ur battles. That being said, we are a private school, who’s mission is far different than UCF, Memphis or UC. Same goes for SMU and Tulsa. The city of New Orleans has UNO, southern Nola and a cc to serve the public. Many TU folks are frustrated that the more national we are the more it hurts our athletic support, but it is a tough balance. As a high priced private we can’t dig too deep into the local students, but the university does much more than many other privates to try to enhance the k-12 publics in NOLA. So ya, know ur facts before posting.

(09-11-2019 09:56 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 08:20 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 05:39 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis is now ranked #135 on the public university list. That is the first time ever, and thus a cause for celebration. The idea that we were a poor academic school was always a false narrative. It was a combination of the criteria favoring land grant schools over urban schools, and the fact no Memphis president has ever promoted our school to his peers.

Plus, we have greatly ramped up our research efforts.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/7356/C...lly-ranked

Memphis State's, and now Memphis's, problem wasn't the school itself so much as the damned Shelby County School System and the Memphis City School system sending them collegiately unqualified dumbasses.

The UofM was seen by many, and may still be seen by many, as an extension of those institutions and was set to received kids who were graduates of those schools. They, however, were not prepared for college and I distinctly remember discussing the dropout rate of the school right after it became the University of Memphis with an administrator - it was killing any dreams of rankings the school had.

Hopefully the city, and the school systems, have come around.

That's it in a nutshell. I've never understood why the university doesn't raise the standards. It hurts the school's academic standing and it doesn't do any favors for students who have no business being accepted in the first place. They flunk out after a semester or two and all they have to show for it, in many cases, is debt.

What about the one’s who barely qualify and don’t flunk out. Who get a chance that no one else in their family had been granted? Should they be discarded? Should the goal of the UoM be to rise in the rankings or serve the community? Think of what you build by serving the Memphis community as far as athletic, community and financial support.
This is my point. Memphis alums/supporters want to feel anger for
not climbing in the rankings without feeling pride that much of the us news mediocrity is because the university is serving it’s mission. The former are very egoic. Why is the goal to always feel like
You belong or are noticed?

Let them go to Diesel Mechanics School or welding school. They would actually stand a chance of making a decent living. I mean, for eff's sake, a college education should still actually MEAN something. We don't need a bunch of 22 year old kids deluding themselves and their prospective employers into thinking they are college-educated when they're not. The number of graduates out their with 4-year sociology degrees and "University Studies" degrees that don't know how to actually work or hold a job.... the downfall of society.

(09-11-2019 10:45 PM)franzeal Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:20 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Yeah, a lot of factors holding us back, but one factor worth mentioning that's pushing us forward is the drop in enrollment across many other Ohio public universities (mostly MAC schools). Cincinnati is clearly establishing itself as the #2 major university in Ohio. 20 years ago there was much more parody across the state schools not named Ohio State.

parity

No, it was pretty funny...

(09-11-2019 10:57 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:35 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

They should to a degree. Tulane is #1 in the world in community involvement, so it really isn’t the best battle to engage in. In addition Paul Tulane, the founder ensured that every district must provide free tuition to a local student, again something the rest of the top privates don’t do, so pick ur battles. That being said, we are a private school, who’s mission is far different than UCF, Memphis or UC. Same goes for SMU and Tulsa. The city of New Orleans has UNO, southern Nola and a cc to serve the public. Many TU folks are frustrated that the more national we are the more it hurts our athletic support, but it is a tough balance. As a high priced private we can’t dig too deep into the local students, but the university does much more than many other privates to try to enhance the k-12 publics in NOLA. So ya, know ur facts before posting.

And the City of Memphis has South West Community College, LeMoyne Owen, Remington, Moore Tech, and others. Memphis is a major University, and should not be responsible for lifting the educationally ignorant out of the primordial ooze. They have been displaced from that position... finally.

(09-11-2019 11:35 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:57 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:35 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

They should to a degree. Tulane is #1 in the world in community involvement, so it really isn’t the best battle to engage in. In addition Paul Tulane, the founder ensured that every district must provide free tuition to a local student, again something the rest of the top privates don’t do, so pick ur battles. That being said, we are a private school, who’s mission is far different than UCF, Memphis or UC. Same goes for SMU and Tulsa. The city of New Orleans has UNO, southern Nola and a cc to serve the public. Many TU folks are frustrated that the more national we are the more it hurts our athletic support, but it is a tough balance. As a high priced private we can’t dig too deep into the local students, but the university does much more than many other privates to try to enhance the k-12 publics in NOLA. So ya, know ur facts before posting.

And the City of Memphis has South West Community College, LeMoyne Owen, Remington, Moore Tech, and others. Memphis is a major University, and should not be responsible for lifting the educationally ignorant out of the primordial ooze. They have been displaced from that position... finally.

Many are not “ignorant” but a product of a terrible K-12 public system. Memphis State was not built to climb nationally ranking but to grow the greater community and also provide a solid education for those who are qualified for any university. You can and should do both. Yes Memphis should try to raise up their standards to UCF levels but non of these urban non flagship schools should be striving too high on us news type metrics, otherwise they do not serve their intended purpose. Instead of embracing that fact, people try to attack schools like Memphis and UCF for not climbing fast enough in this good old boy US News nonsense, instead if embracing their given purpose.

(09-11-2019 03:48 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 02:41 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 02:32 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:24 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:15 PM)usffan Wrote:  I think you're doing it wrong...

USFFan

Georgetown, Brown, Dartmouth and Notre Dame are NOT AAU. #130-ranked Kansas IS. Let's not oversimplify.

Whacking off at Georgetown and Notre Dame is STRICTLY prohibited!

USFFan

You clearly know little about life at Geoegetown and ND.

And I believe it is mandatory at Dartmouth.

USFFan

Fun Fact... Did you know that Corn Flakes were invented to help stop masturbation and sexual desires. Knowledge is power... the more you know...

(09-11-2019 01:37 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:34 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:24 AM)shere khan Wrote:  You are AAU or you aren't. The other ratings are just whacking off

Yes and no... AAU is the pinnacle but all AAU schools have some commonalities like being in the top 100 of the US News Rankings. Its just a benchmark that shows where you are.

I agree with you. AAU is the gold standard, but it's also a very limited club. It doesn't reward excellence in teaching or excellence in serving your community. It's only for the cream of the crop research universities that employ hundreds if not thousands of professors who hardly ever even teach a class. They really could give a flip if students are getting good instruction as long as professors are landing big NIH grants and getting cited in top tier journals that no one but academics read.

Just look at some excellent universities that are not in the AAU...Florida State, Georgia, Virginia Tech, NC State, UConn, Oregon State, Miami, Nebraska (kicked out). A big thing that kills some of these schools is either a lack of a medical school or a medical school that is focused on primary care [i.e., training doctors] and not research (Florida State). When you start looking at the other metrics at universities like those examples, you see excellent institutions across the board that for whatever reason (lack of med school, short history of excellence, whatever) that aren't members.

True, its the pinnacle of research intensive schools, which is what USF is. We are actually ahead of over half the AAU schools in research dollars... only reason its one of our main pushes, beyond the prestige, is that all AAU members share research which would be huge for us.

Its not like this would ever get us a Big 10 invite or anything outside of academics, but it would launch our research to the next level and the best part is UF would have to share their research with us.

(09-11-2019 11:55 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 11:35 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:57 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:35 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

They should to a degree. Tulane is #1 in the world in community involvement, so it really isn’t the best battle to engage in. In addition Paul Tulane, the founder ensured that every district must provide free tuition to a local student, again something the rest of the top privates don’t do, so pick ur battles. That being said, we are a private school, who’s mission is far different than UCF, Memphis or UC. Same goes for SMU and Tulsa. The city of New Orleans has UNO, southern Nola and a cc to serve the public. Many TU folks are frustrated that the more national we are the more it hurts our athletic support, but it is a tough balance. As a high priced private we can’t dig too deep into the local students, but the university does much more than many other privates to try to enhance the k-12 publics in NOLA. So ya, know ur facts before posting.

And the City of Memphis has South West Community College, LeMoyne Owen, Remington, Moore Tech, and others. Memphis is a major University, and should not be responsible for lifting the educationally ignorant out of the primordial ooze. They have been displaced from that position... finally.

Many are not “ignorant” but a product of a terrible K-12 public system. Memphis State was not built to climb nationally ranking but to grow the greater community and also provide a solid education for those who are qualified for any university. You can and should do both. Yes Memphis should try to raise up their standards to UCF levels but non of these urban non flagship schools should be striving too high on us news type metrics, otherwise they do not serve their intended purpose. Instead of embracing that fact, people try to attack schools like Memphis and UCF for not climbing fast enough in this good old boy US News nonsense, instead if embracing their given purpose.

Come on. You are a Tulane graduate? Your first sentence would apply if I had said something about Memphis H.S. students' I.Q.s. But I didn't. I said ignorant. The definition of ignorant is when you don't know what you should. Precisely the case with most Memphis children. I didn't say they weren't intelligent. But when you are taught for 12 years by teachers who can't even speak proper English (or refuse to), you are at a huge disadvantage. And you do not belong in a college freshman English class.

(09-12-2019 09:46 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 11:55 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 11:35 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:57 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 10:35 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Yeah, and Tulane should be taking more kids from the inner city New Orleans schools rather than the New England kids looking to go South /s

They should to a degree. Tulane is #1 in the world in community involvement, so it really isn’t the best battle to engage in. In addition Paul Tulane, the founder ensured that every district must provide free tuition to a local student, again something the rest of the top privates don’t do, so pick ur battles. That being said, we are a private school, who’s mission is far different than UCF, Memphis or UC. Same goes for SMU and Tulsa. The city of New Orleans has UNO, southern Nola and a cc to serve the public. Many TU folks are frustrated that the more national we are the more it hurts our athletic support, but it is a tough balance. As a high priced private we can’t dig too deep into the local students, but the university does much more than many other privates to try to enhance the k-12 publics in NOLA. So ya, know ur facts before posting.

And the City of Memphis has South West Community College, LeMoyne Owen, Remington, Moore Tech, and others. Memphis is a major University, and should not be responsible for lifting the educationally ignorant out of the primordial ooze. They have been displaced from that position... finally.

Many are not “ignorant” but a product of a terrible K-12 public system. Memphis State was not built to climb nationally ranking but to grow the greater community and also provide a solid education for those who are qualified for any university. You can and should do both. Yes Memphis should try to raise up their standards to UCF levels but non of these urban non flagship schools should be striving too high on us news type metrics, otherwise they do not serve their intended purpose. Instead of embracing that fact, people try to attack schools like Memphis and UCF for not climbing fast enough in this good old boy US News nonsense, instead if embracing their given purpose.

Come on. You are a Tulane graduate? Your first sentence would apply if I had said something about Memphis H.S. students' I.Q.s. But I didn't. I said ignorant. The definition of ignorant is when you don't know what you should. Precisely the case with most Memphis children. I didn't say they weren't intelligent. But when you are taught for 12 years by teachers who can't even speak proper English (or refuse to), you are at a huge disadvantage. And you do not belong in a college freshman English class.

I'm really glad that Cincinnati and Memphis didn't take wavefan12's advice 40 years ago when both schools were "commuter" schools.

This entire argument is laughable. All schools should be striving to improve their offerings to students, and improved offerings translate into higher quality applicants.

(09-11-2019 10:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 09:47 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-11-2019 01:30 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 11:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I am going to try to explain this without offending. A school like UC should never climb too high. The purpose if that university is to expand across Ohio but ALSO to serve the city they reside in. Same goes for several other AAC schools. Americans obsess over rankings, without seeing purpose. Look at the rankings, how many of those top schools are serving their community? Their graduates spread out across the nation or the globe after completing their degree, which is neither right or wrong, just different. UCF gets offended by having local commuters, u know what, why is that so bad? Other than you can’t pound your chest with rankings? Maybe u should be proud to be part of the growth in the Orlando market? That having locals isn’t so bad and serves your role.

I actually don't think this is true. UCF has been the state university most engaged with the local community and in working with the local community colleges to ensure effective and successful transfer students. The DirectConnect program was the first of its type and is now being modeled throughout the country. I haven't seen data in a few years, but typically UCF's CC transfers had the highest success metrics thanks to UCF being engaged the first moment they stepped on a CC campus.

What we really should do is game the US News metrics and basically not take a FR class for a few years. Just let the CC transfers keep the population up and have a ridiculous SAT/ACT and admissions rate for the entering class. USNWR doesn't capture CC transfers afaik; it's all focused on the FR class.

Oh come on, anyone calls UCF a local school, the knight brigade goes wild.

No, I think we don't react well to being called a "commuter school," which is a pejorative used to degrade a school's academic reputation. The term has no real meaning in a day and age where even in college towns the amount of kids living on campus is in decline. UCF has more kids in dorms than UF for instance.

But UCF as an institution has led the way in serving the community and CC transfers, whether local or from out of the area.

I am confused.
My point being is that UCF should always have a ton of local commuters and be proud of that designation rather then reject it. But it is us news type stats that make people want to feel shame for being a university that is local and to a degree national. To think you overcome the common FL student’s affinity for FSU or Uf is silly (I can just feel the UCF people seething) it is not happening. That’s ok. UCF has room for some students who could easily get into FSU or UF or even much better schools. My point is that there are several sides to this, but in the end if schools like UCF, Memphis or Cinci start focusing on metrics more than their purpose, then I believe their given cities will be at a disadvantage that will eventually trickle down to the university in a negative way. Perhaps even the state. Everything isn’t about stacking up against your peers. It about value, purpose and hard work.

I think you're just trolling at this point, because UCF has basically the same admissions statistics as FSU. Florida is a huge state, and there's four universities that are very much in demand. UCF nor USF are trailing far behind even UF in freshman quality.

Florida has decided, like Texas, California, and New York, that it needs more than 1-2 research universities. Really, there are 5 including FIU, though it lags behind UCF and USF. UCF and USF are going to overtake FSU overall eventually, as the bulk of the population is in Orlando, Tampa, and South Florida. The draw of Tallahassee isn't very big, when it's a 9 hour drive from home instead of 4 hours from Miami to Orlando.

It's just a matter of time before Florida has 4 Top 100 research universities that rivals what Texas offers. Regardless of what US News thinks, USF and UCF are in front of Texas Tech right now (though UT-Dallas often is forgotten in these discussions). No one is going to match California, but Florida is well on the way to having the second best overall public university system, if we don't already.