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I decided to look at all of Hopson’s recruiting classes just to see how many of the players we’d gotten that had offers from Power 5 schools. At the end of the day, you might know the Xs and Os, but if we don’t have the Jimmys and Joes, we aren’t going to be competitive, even against a very bad Mississippi State team playing a ton of Freshmen. So here’s the results. I didn’t include all offers people had due to length, but did include all of the P5 offers (and AAC for the most part). These players may have had interest from P5 schools, but if they didn’t receive an offer, I didn’t include it. I also didn’t include 2016, since this was Monken’s recruiting, even if he bailed last minute.


2017

Jaylon Adams (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa State)
Travion Clayton (SWAC and Charlotte)
Paul Gainer (Memphis)
Wydale Flott (Sun Belt schools)
Shannon Showers (FCS schools)
Justus Satterfield (UNT)
Kris Reed (Tulane and FCS)
Jimmie Terry (Minnesota)
Tyler Jack (Memphis)
Bryce Foxworth (Temple and FCS schools)
Emmanuel Dabney (Cincinnati and Sun Belt)
Steven Anderson (FCS schools)
Woodlyson Alicius (South Florida)
Delmond Landry (Sun Belt schools)
Tim Jones (Memphis)
Darius Maberry (Bottom CUSA teams)
Tahj Sykes (literally no one else)
Trevor Terry (James Madison)
Bubba Fludd (Western Michigan)
Tyler Barnes (Troy and FCS)
Andrew Cole (Memphis)
Marcelo Rodriguez (no one)
Santrell Latham (Memphis)
Briggs Bourgeois (FCS)
Freddie Hartz (Alabama, Ole Miss, Mississippi State)
Lamarque Davis (Houston and Fresno State)
Robert Reeves (Cincinnati and UCF)
T’Rod Daniels (MTSU)

2018

Trivenskey Mosley (ULL and SWAC)
Ky’el Hemby (only us)
TJ Harvey (only us)
Nick Dawson (Arizona and Memphis)
Deuntra Hyman (LSU, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State)
Ty’ree Evans (only us)
Ty Williams (only us)
Neil McLaurin (only us)
Nicario Harper (Sun Belt and FCS)
Tairek Johnson (only us)
Jack Abraham (Sun Belt schools)
Ethan Edmondson (Rutgers, Memphis)
Kameron King (Memphis, Tulane, UNT)
Von’darius Freeman (only FAU)
Jemaurian Jones (Arizona, Florida State, Georgia, Louisville, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Oklahoma, Oregon State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas Tech, UCLA)
Trace Clopton (CUSA schools)
Shannon Carswell (South Florida, UCF)
Curry Benn (Arizona)
Hayes Maples (Memphis)
Tate Whatley (FCS schools)
De’Michael Harris (Marshall)
Malik Shorts (Memphis and Tulane)
Denzel Washington (ULM)
Travion Williams (only us)
William Robinson (Mississippi State)

2019

Deliqua McCoy (only us)
Demarcus Jones (only us)
Antavious Willis (only us)
Khalique Washington (Kansas, Kentucky, UCF)
Gerquan Scott (only us)
Swayze Bozeman (Tulane)
Markel McLaurin (only us)
Chandler Rogers (Air Force)
Tanner Hawthorne (New Mexico)
Tre Johnson (Indiana)
Naricuss Driver (only us)
Eriq Kitchen (ODU)
Jaden Johnson (Georgia, Louisville)
Avery White (South Alabama)
Matthew Ryals (only us)
Dee Baker (Mississippi State)
Coker Wright (Nebraska and Illinois)
Khalen Leonard (only us)
TQ Newsome (Kansas)
Luke Baker (only us)
Louis Paul Smith (Mississippi State)
Chris Scruggs Jr (Indiana, Kentucky, Syracuse)
James Dall (only us)
Corey Wilson (only us)
Jadarrius Perkins (only us)
Jakyrus Williams (Kansas)


So that’s 40 P5 offers across three different classes. Of that, those offers came from 18 players (I may have missed someone along the way when quickly skimming the list for these numbers, so forgive me if so). That means that for three years, we have less than a set of offensive and defensive starters with P5 offers. That’s bad. Really bad. 25 of these players best offer besides us was an FCS team, and many of those 25 players had no offers other than us.

You can look and see how bad it is.



Now, let’s look at the 2010 class. This is a Fedora class two years in of 7-6. So it’s not like players are thinking we’re about to compete for the Sugar Bowl.

2010

Kody Williams (UConn, Illinois, Louisville, Maryland, Ole Miss, North Carolina, South Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt)
Reggie Hunt (Memphis)
Josh Magee (UAB)
Jamal Woodyard (Louisville, Mississippi State)
Kelvin Bolden (Mississippi State)
Jason Weaver (Arizona, Kansas State, Miami)
Taylor Peterson (Memphis, UAB)
O.C. Brown (Colorado, Kentucky, Mississippi State)
Justin Penn (only us)
Corey Acosta (Memphis)
Brandon Smith (Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Miami, South Carolina)
Steve McNair Jr (Minnesota, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Nebraska, West Virginia)
Seth Reedy (Sun Belt schools)
A. Walters Jr (only us)
Anthony Wilson (Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, UCLA)
Jacorius Cotten (South Florida, UCF)
Zeke Walters (Air Force, Sun Belt schools)
Jeremy Hester (Air Force, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis)
David Fowler (Duke)
Dasmund Macullum (Memphis)
Arsenio Favor (Sun Belt schools)
Dominique Sullivan (Tulane, Sun Belt schools)
Cortez Bowen (Texas Tech)
Lamar Holmes (Auburn, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State)
Markese Triplett (Mississippi State)
Allen Howze (only us)
Furious Bradley (only us)
Marquese Wheaton (only us)
LJ Hollings (only us)


In this class, we have 39 P5 offers, 12 players with P5 offers, and 8 players who’s best offer is Sun Belt or only us. And again, as with the other lists, this doesn’t include interests shown by other schools, just offers.


In ONE CLASS, we have almost the same amount of offers and players with P5 offers. Is it any surprise that we can’t compete with bad teams from P5 leagues when this is the talent our current staff is recruiting. And the biggest get our staff got based on offers (Jemaurian Jones) has played no notable downs at USM. Don’t tell me our coaches are out there trying to recruit the best. Our team is bad because we have no talent. Period. And until that changes, don’t expect things to change. We’ll be middle of the road in the worst conference in the country.

And that wasn’t even Fedora’s best class...
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RE: Jimmys and Joes
Agree with some of this.

1) we can’t expect to like recruit like Fedora did. Program has been crushed by realignment since then
2) State has top 25 talent

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...Composite/
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RE: Jimmys and Joes
The realignment issue is real, but people said Fedora wouldn’t be able to recruit like Fedora, either. You can’t know until you try.

Recruiting is selling. It takes an engaging personality and getting the recruits to believe they can come to your school and do great things. Fedora had a presence. Monken did, too. Both were highly regarded, high-level assistants with name value. One went on to a P5 head coach position and one went to the N.F.L. Compare that to what we have now in Hopson.

As I alluded to in another thread, if we’re not buying what Hop is selling at this point, we can’t expect high school players are going to.
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(09-08-2019 02:04 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The realignment issue is real, but people said Fedora wouldn’t be able to recruit like Fedora, either. You can’t know until you try.

Recruiting is selling. It takes an engaging personality and getting the recruits to believe they can come to your school and do great things. Fedora had a presence. Monken did, too. Both were highly regarded, high-level assistants with name value. One went on to a P5 head coach position and one went to the N.F.L. Compare that to what we have now in Hopson.

As I alluded to in another thread, if we’re not buying what Hop is selling at this point, we can’t expect high school players are going to.

Hopson will be a position coach somewhere next year. And what is pitiful will probably get a raise.
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(09-08-2019 02:04 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The realignment issue is real, but people said Fedora wouldn’t be able to recruit like Fedora, either. You can’t know until you try.

Recruiting is selling. It takes an engaging personality and getting the recruits to believe they can come to your school and do great things. Fedora had a presence. Monken did, too. Both were highly regarded, high-level assistants with name value. One went on to a P5 head coach position and one went to the N.F.L. Compare that to what we have now in Hopson.

As I alluded to in another thread, if we’re not buying what Hop is selling at this point, we can’t expect high school players are going to.

All of this
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(09-08-2019 02:59 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 02:04 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  The realignment issue is real, but people said Fedora wouldn’t be able to recruit like Fedora, either. You can’t know until you try.

Recruiting is selling. It takes an engaging personality and getting the recruits to believe they can come to your school and do great things. Fedora had a presence. Monken did, too. Both were highly regarded, high-level assistants with name value. One went on to a P5 head coach position and one went to the N.F.L. Compare that to what we have now in Hopson.

As I alluded to in another thread, if we’re not buying what Hop is selling at this point, we can’t expect high school players are going to.

Hopson will be a position coach somewhere next year. And what is pitiful will probably get a raise.

We can only hope and pray that this will happen. He is awful. There's just no other way to describe it.
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We have a walk-on starting at RB this weekend. Now what does that say for Hop's recruiting the last 4 years when a walk-on beats out his recruits / signees? He is a freaking joke!
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(09-09-2019 11:03 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  We have a walk-on starting at RB this weekend. Now what does that say for Hop's recruiting the last 4 years when a walk-on beats out his recruits / signees? He is a freaking joke!

Ever heard of Sammy Winder?

Good grief, the futbol brilliance on this little message board.....
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(09-09-2019 11:39 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 11:03 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  We have a walk-on starting at RB this weekend. Now what does that say for Hop's recruiting the last 4 years when a walk-on beats out his recruits / signees? He is a freaking joke!

Ever heard of Sammy Winder?

Good grief, the futbol brilliance on this little message board.....

So you had to dig back to 1976 to defend Hops recruiting. Nice one.
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(09-10-2019 12:05 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 11:39 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 11:03 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  We have a walk-on starting at RB this weekend. Now what does that say for Hop's recruiting the last 4 years when a walk-on beats out his recruits / signees? He is a freaking joke!

Ever heard of Sammy Winder?

Good grief, the futbol brilliance on this little message board.....

So you had to dig back to 1976 to defend Hops recruiting. Nice one.

Don’t defend stupid. Just don’t respond and no one will notice.....
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per 247sports.

Year/ National Rank
01 - 51
02 - 51
03 - 80
04 - 65
05 - 66
06 - 64
07 - 58
08 - 39
09 - 52
10 - 48
11 - 86
12 - 68
13 - 82
14 - 82
15 - 87
16 - 100
17 - 74
18 - 83
19 - 82
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(09-10-2019 12:01 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  per 247sports.

Year/ National Rank
01 - 51
02 - 51
03 - 80
04 - 65
05 - 66
06 - 64
07 - 58
08 - 39
09 - 52
10 - 48
11 - 86
12 - 68
13 - 82
14 - 82
15 - 87
16 - 100
17 - 74
18 - 83
19 - 82

lol....50 + ~30 newbies added since then....that's about right...
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(09-10-2019 12:01 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  per 247sports.

Year/ National Rank
13 - 82
14 - 82
15 - 87
16 - 100
17 - 74
18 - 83
19 - 82

So aside from the transition year between them, Hopson’s recruiting has been pretty much in line with Monken’s according to this. It either says a lot about Monken, not much about Hopson, or a little of both that Monk finished his 3rd season 9-3, 7-1, and with a division title vs. what Hopson produced last year.
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(09-10-2019 01:35 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 12:01 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  per 247sports.

Year/ National Rank
13 - 82
14 - 82
15 - 87
16 - 100
17 - 74
18 - 83
19 - 82

So aside from the transition year between them, Hopson’s recruiting has been pretty much in line with Monken’s according to this. It either says a lot about Monken, not much about Hopson, or a little of both that Monk finished his 3rd season 9-3, 7-1, and with a division title vs. what Hopson produced last year.

yep...that's a fair barometer if one believes in preseason rankings from dipshites that get paid a pittance to actually 'do the due'...

EagNBran nailed the comparative with his post...

#swinglow/misshigh
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(09-10-2019 04:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  #swinglow/misshigh

Lambeau said if you aim for perfection, you can catch excellence. Aim for “consistency” and you’ll catch mediocrity.
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(09-10-2019 04:31 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 04:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  #swinglow/misshigh

Lambeau said if you aim for perfection, you can catch excellence. Aim for “consistency” and you’ll catch mediocrity.

you just defined #sixsigmaTTT

I can't begin to tell ya how I don't miss that bs....

"more with less" has been dead for many a moon pal.....
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(09-10-2019 01:35 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 12:01 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  per 247sports.

Year/ National Rank
13 - 82
14 - 82
15 - 87
16 - 100
17 - 74
18 - 83
19 - 82

So aside from the transition year between them, Hopson’s recruiting has been pretty much in line with Monken’s according to this. It either says a lot about Monken, not much about Hopson, or a little of both that Monk finished his 3rd season 9-3, 7-1, and with a division title vs. what Hopson produced last year.

Hop’s best year should have been his first with the team he inherited.
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(09-09-2019 11:39 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(09-09-2019 11:03 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  We have a walk-on starting at RB this weekend. Now what does that say for Hop's recruiting the last 4 years when a walk-on beats out his recruits / signees? He is a freaking joke!

Ever heard of Sammy Winder?

Good grief, the futbol brilliance on this little message board.....

My thoughts exactly!
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Here's the selling pitch for USM now:

Coach: hey come play for us
Kid: ok cool, I'll think about it. I know USM has a lot of history, yall are in the same conference with Houston, Central Florida, Memphis, and South Florida right?
Coach: no, we're in a conference with Charlotte, Old Dominion, and Rice.
Kid: uh....
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(09-12-2019 09:06 AM)TTT Wrote:  Here's the selling pitch for USM now:

Coach: hey come play for us
Kid: ok cool, I'll think about it. I know USM has a lot of history, yall are in the same conference with Houston, Central Florida, Memphis, and South Florida right?
Coach: no, we're in a conference with Charlotte, Old Dominion, and Rice.
Kid: uh....

And he stops with 3 because he's probably a lot like the fans and can't remember the rest. 04-cheers
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