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The Big 10 is the best conference so far
The Big 10 East is the new SEC West

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(09-08-2019 10:29 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The Big 10 East is the new SEC West

This conference is loaded

My P5 conference comparison will show the same, but lets face it - Minnesota and Michigan were both very lucky to beat Army and Fresno. They lose those games and the B1G record loses a lot of lustre.
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The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.
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(09-08-2019 12:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.

First of all every conference is tiered it's just that the scale of the tier is different.
The SEC's T1 is L.S.U., Ala, UGA
T2: Aub & A&M, Fla, possibly Miss State.
T3: Kentucky, Missouri, Ole Miss, possibly Miss State & possibly South Carolina
T4: Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt out of which Vandy may be the better one.

The Big 10 hasn't really beaten anyone or played anyone of note other than Syracuse and we have yet to know how good Maryland may be (although obviously better than expected) or if Syracuse has regressed.

As for Wisconsin they've played USF which is 0/2 losing to a less than inspiring Ga Tech, and Central Michigan. Ditto for Iowa. Purdue has a loss to Nevada and a win vs Vandy. Ohio State has played a lowly FAU and Cincinnati. Iowa has beaten Miami of Ohio and cellar dweller Rutgers. Penn State has whipped Idaho and Buffalo. Minnesota has beaten SD State and Fresno State and neither impressively. Michigan State has beaten Tulsa and Western Michigan.

In the SEC West Auburn has beaten Oregon, L.S.U. has beaten Texas, and A&M has at least played the current national champion and all three were on the road or at neutral sites. Alabama has played Duke and New Mexico State. Miss State is 2-0 but has beaten La Lafayette and Southern Miss who is respectable.

It's way too early to be talking about which divisions or conferences are the strongest.

But when you do make the comparisons you might also better consider the schools they have faced.
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(09-08-2019 12:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.

Hmmm...

I see it like this (SEC tiers)

Tier 1: Georgia, LSU, Alabama
Tier 2: Auburn, Texas A&M, Florida
Tier 3: Kentucky, South Carolina
Tier 4: Miss St, Vandy, Mizzou
Tier 5: Arkansas, Ole Miss
Tier 100000: Tennessee
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(09-08-2019 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 12:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.

First of all every conference is tiered it's just that the scale of the tier is different.
The SEC's T1 is L.S.U., Ala, UGA
T2: Aub & A&M, Fla, possibly Miss State.
T3: Kentucky, Missouri, Ole Miss, possibly Miss State & possibly South Carolina
T4: Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt out of which Vandy may be the better one.

The Big 10 hasn't really beaten anyone or played anyone of note other than Syracuse and we have yet to know how good Maryland may be (although obviously better than expected) or if Syracuse has regressed.

As for Wisconsin they've played USF which is 0/2 losing to a less than inspiring Ga Tech, and Central Michigan. Ditto for Iowa. Purdue has a loss to Nevada and a win vs Vandy. Ohio State has played a lowly FAU and Cincinnati. Iowa has beaten Miami of Ohio and cellar dweller Rutgers. Penn State has whipped Idaho and Buffalo. Minnesota has beaten SD State and Fresno State and neither impressively. Michigan State has beaten Tulsa and Western Michigan.

In the SEC West Auburn has beaten Oregon, L.S.U. has beaten Texas, and A&M has at least played the current national champion and all three were on the road or at neutral sites. Alabama has played Duke and New Mexico State. Miss State is 2-0 but has beaten La Lafayette and Southern Miss who is respectable.

It's way too early to be talking about which divisions or conferences are the strongest.

But when you do make the comparisons you might also better consider the schools they have faced.

Get your SEC kool aid right here ^^^

Big 10 teams aren't just winning, they are winning big

How bout them Terps
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(09-08-2019 10:29 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The Big 10 East is the new SEC West

This conference is loaded

It’s September. The Big Ten and the SEC are always the best conferences in September. It’s as the season goes along that things typically shape up a little differently.
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(09-08-2019 01:17 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 12:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.

First of all every conference is tiered it's just that the scale of the tier is different.
The SEC's T1 is L.S.U., Ala, UGA
T2: Aub & A&M, Fla, possibly Miss State.
T3: Kentucky, Missouri, Ole Miss, possibly Miss State & possibly South Carolina
T4: Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt out of which Vandy may be the better one.

The Big 10 hasn't really beaten anyone or played anyone of note other than Syracuse and we have yet to know how good Maryland may be (although obviously better than expected) or if Syracuse has regressed.

As for Wisconsin they've played USF which is 0/2 losing to a less than inspiring Ga Tech, and Central Michigan. Ditto for Iowa. Purdue has a loss to Nevada and a win vs Vandy. Ohio State has played a lowly FAU and Cincinnati. Iowa has beaten Miami of Ohio and cellar dweller Rutgers. Penn State has whipped Idaho and Buffalo. Minnesota has beaten SD State and Fresno State and neither impressively. Michigan State has beaten Tulsa and Western Michigan.

In the SEC West Auburn has beaten Oregon, L.S.U. has beaten Texas, and A&M has at least played the current national champion and all three were on the road or at neutral sites. Alabama has played Duke and New Mexico State. Miss State is 2-0 but has beaten La Lafayette and Southern Miss who is respectable.

It's way too early to be talking about which divisions or conferences are the strongest.

But when you do make the comparisons you might also better consider the schools they have faced.

Get your SEC kool aid right here ^^^

Big 10 teams aren't just winning, they are winning big

How bout them Terps

Big 10 teams are killing small schools. When they play P5 schools we'll get an indication of their strength and that's just the facts. And not all small schools are equal either. Kudos to Maryland they have a P5 win. That's something you can't say for Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, or Penn State.

So far the Big 10 has played 4 P games and are 2/2. They have a victory over 1 ranked school #21 Syracuse. And one victory over Vanderbilt. They've lost to Colorado and Stanford.

Here are their only remaining scheduled games against P5 schools:
Week 3: Penn State / Pitt, Michigan State/Arizona State, Iowa/Iowa State, Purdue/TCU

Week 4: Rutgers / Boston College

October: Michigan / Notre Dame

So out of the P5 they may play 2 or maybe 3 ranked teams by the time their OOC play is finished and none of the schools will been top 15 (except possibly N.D.).

Of the remaining P5 games TCU (other than N.D.) may be the toughest.

So sport let's see how things progress.

The P5 teams the Big 10 will have played OOC are: Arizona State, Boston College, Colorado, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Stanford, Syracuse, T.C.U., and Vanderbilt.

That's not exactly murderer's row.

Michigan will at least play Notre Dame in October.

And when they get past those there is no comparisons left to be made except to each other.

Now I challenge you before you keep yammering on to look at the P5 OOC schedules of other conferences and to compare.

I'm not saying the Big 10 doesn't have some strong schools, I'm just saying there isn't much to compare them to, which is why some of their big dogs have been boat raced in the opening rounds of the CFP by schools like Clemson.
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I think we all know that every conference is tiered. What I was trying to articulate was that that this year the SEC isn’t as deep as we’ve seen in recent years and it’s bottom and middle tiers are losing OOC games we would expect them to win in years prior.

While the Big Ten doesn’t have a bunch of huge OOC wins this year so far, the only bad loss is Purdue’s to Nevada. It would have been nice to see Northwestern and Nebraska win on the road against PAC 12 teams but so far the conference is taking care of business.
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The SEC has 3 legit National Championship contenders in LSU, Alabama, and Georgia. The Big Ten has just one.
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(09-08-2019 01:51 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 10:29 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The Big 10 East is the new SEC West

This conference is loaded

It’s September. The Big Ten and the SEC are always the best conferences in September. It’s as the season goes along that things typically shape up a little differently.

Well, not for the SEC. It usually ends up being the #1 conference for the season. Not every season, as some believe, but more times than others for sure.
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(09-08-2019 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's way too early to be talking about which divisions or conferences are the strongest.

But when you do make the comparisons you might also better consider the schools they have faced.

Yes. The following are the records of each conference in games against FBS only.

Conf.....W....L....%.........P5W..P5L

B1G.....18...3... .857.......2......2
ACC.....10...5... .667.......2......4
B12.......6...3... .667.......1......2
SEC.....13...7... .650.......5......3
PAC.......9...6... .600.......2......2
MWC.....8...7... .533.......6......5
AAC......7...8... .467.......2......8
SBC......5...8... .385.......2......5
MAC......1..13... .071......0.....12
USA......1..14... .067......0......8

I ask you. Does anyone seriously think the ACC is the second best conference in the FBS?

But at a combined 7-35, I think it's fair to say the bottom 3 conferences really aren't in the same league as the others. That's a big enough sample that our opinions aren't likely to change much as the season goes on.
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(09-08-2019 01:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 01:17 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='16287531' dateline='1567965837']
[quote='Fighting Muskie' pid='16287433' dateline='1567963224']
The Big Ten is definitely stacked with strong teams this season. Even Maryland came out and laid a beat down only the only ranked team out side Clemson that the ACC had. As the season progresses I think we are going to see that Army and Fresno St are pretty good this year. After Miami (FL), I think Fresno St is the second best winless team in the nation and their talent is not reflected in their record as they started with two P5s to open the season.

The SEC is definitely tiered this year:

Tier 1: UF, UGA, Bama, Aub, LSU
Tier 2: TAMU, UK, Miss St
Tier 3: Ark, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Car, Vandy, Mizzou

Tier 1 is pretty good but tier 3 is going to be really bad.

First of all every conference is tiered it's just that the scale of the tier is different.
The SEC's T1 is L.S.U., Ala, UGA
T2: Aub & A&M, Fla, possibly Miss State.
T3: Kentucky, Missouri, Ole Miss, possibly Miss State & possibly South Carolina
T4: Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt out of which Vandy may be the better one.

The Big 10 hasn't really beaten anyone or played anyone of note other than Syracuse and we have yet to know how good Maryland may be (although obviously better than expected) or if Syracuse has regressed.

That's not fair JR. Michigan DID beat Army. In double OT. After Army forgot they weren't supposed to pass when they were on the verge of a 2TD lead in the 4th.
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(09-08-2019 08:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's way too early to be talking about which divisions or conferences are the strongest.

But when you do make the comparisons you might also better consider the schools they have faced.

Yes. The following are the records of each conference in games against FBS only.

Conf.....W....L....%.........P5W..P5L

B1G.....18...3... .857.......2......2
ACC.....10...5... .667.......2......4
B12.......6...3... .667.......1......2
SEC.....13...7... .650.......5......3
PAC.......9...6... .600.......2......2
MWC.....8...7... .533.......6......5
AAC......7...8... .467.......2......8
SBC......5...8... .385.......2......5
MAC......1..13... .071......0.....12
USA......1..14... .067......0......8

I ask you. Does anyone seriously think the ACC is the second best conference in the FBS?

But at a combined 7-35, I think it's fair to say the bottom 3 conferences really aren't in the same league as the others. That's a big enough sample that our opinions aren't likely to change much as the season goes on.

Well for the purposes of this thread the bottom 4 are 4-33 against the P5 with two of them being winless and one of those being the MAC which the Big 10 plays often and which only has 1 FBS win so far.

Truly the MWC is the best this year of the G5 thus far. And they by far have played more P5 schools than even the P5 conferences have played. They have a winning record against the FBS and more specifically a winning record against the P5.
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Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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(09-08-2019 09:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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frankly the most questionable of those 10 teams on that list is Oregon....
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(09-08-2019 09:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 09:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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frankly the most questionable of those 10 teams on that list is Oregon....

That's ok, stever, there are 9 teams ahead of them on ESPN's list, and those 9 teams can't all lose more than one game, unless several officiating teams fail to read their pregame memos.
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(09-08-2019 09:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 09:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 09:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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frankly the most questionable of those 10 teams on that list is Oregon....

That's ok, stever, there are 9 teams ahead of them on ESPN's list, and those 9 teams can't all lose more than one game, unless several officiating teams fail to read their pregame memos.
07-coffee3

Oregon's problem though is if they finish at 12-1 and there's an SEC team sitting at 11-1, that SEC team has a VERY realistic shot to be taken ahead of Oregon.
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(09-08-2019 09:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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That's funny! It should just read, "Here are the degrees of likelihood that a school makes the CFP. You will note that ESPN has a larger stake in those on the left (which are more likely to make it) and a lesser stake in those on the right (which are less likely to make it). Of course we wish to issue a statement that we are wholly un-involved with the selection process, except that we paid a boat load of money for it."


Personally speaking I don't share their assessment of Ohio State. I think they are more likely to make it.
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(09-08-2019 09:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 09:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Doesn't matter. ESPN has already given the committee its list of which teams they want to see in the playoff. 07-coffee3

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That's funny! It should just read, "Here are the degrees of likelihood that a school makes the CFP. You will note that ESPN has a larger stake in those on the left (which are more likely to make it) and a lesser stake in those on the right (which are less likely to make it). Of course we wish to issue a statement that we are wholly un-involved with the selection process, except that we paid a boat load of money for it."


Personally speaking I don't share their assessment of Ohio State. I think they are more likely to make it.

Ohio St has to hope the division does well in their remaining big OOC games. Michigan St with Arizona St, Penn St with Pittsburgh, and Michigan with Notre Dame. Their OOC schedule is very weak this year. Yeah Alabama has just as bad of an OOC schedule as they do- but their division mates have for instance already gotten wins over Oregon and Texas.... Games with Auburn and LSU are going to mean more than that as a result.
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