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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 12:48 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  So, even though Charlotte had more offensive plays, more time of possession, more total yards, more passing yards and scored more OFFENSIVE points doesn't mean we had better OFFENSIVE numbers than App......got it (doesn't matter alot, they won the game, but dang man-----)

Also, the fact GW gained 33 more yards against Charlotte than against ECU means --- something? 03-lmfao

You realize App State had 12 offensive possessions. One of those, they got the ball on the 10 yard line (and scored right away).

Charlotte had 14 offensive possessions (not counting the end of half kneeldown). When you have turns/special teams scores/etc., your offense is not going to be on the field as much. Its not really a difficult concept and is why just looking at yards doesn't make much sense.

Oh, I understand the "concept" completely but it doesn't mean what you are pretending it does......At the end of the day, almost every offensive stat was in Charlotte's favor and since you like to talk about how Charlotte had 2 "extra possessions"---- the flip side of that is that we both punted 5 times in the game. So, that means our defense forced their offense to punt the same number of times we did even though they had 2 less opportunities to do so and NO, I've already told you they scored the same number of offensive TDs as us, so it wasn't due to them 'finishing" more drives with points instead of punts.

So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

So if the other team had a pick six every time you got the ball and their offense never saw the field would you be bragging about more yards, more first downs and more TOP?
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 12:48 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  So, even though Charlotte had more offensive plays, more time of possession, more total yards, more passing yards and scored more OFFENSIVE points doesn't mean we had better OFFENSIVE numbers than App......got it (doesn't matter alot, they won the game, but dang man-----)

Also, the fact GW gained 33 more yards against Charlotte than against ECU means --- something? 03-lmfao

You realize App State had 12 offensive possessions. One of those, they got the ball on the 10 yard line (and scored right away).

Charlotte had 14 offensive possessions (not counting the end of half kneeldown). When you have turns/special teams scores/etc., your offense is not going to be on the field as much. Its not really a difficult concept and is why just looking at yards doesn't make much sense.

Oh, I understand the "concept" completely but it doesn't mean what you are pretending it does......At the end of the day, almost every offensive stat was in Charlotte's favor and since you like to talk about how Charlotte had 2 "extra possessions"---- the flip side of that is that we both punted 5 times in the game. So, that means our defense forced their offense to punt the same number of times we did even though they had 2 less opportunities to do so and NO, I've already told you they scored the same number of offensive TDs as us, so it wasn't due to them 'finishing" more drives with points instead of punts.

So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

Actually, not saying its a bad thing. Just trying to explain to you how App States offense performed better than Charlottes.
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 03:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You realize App State had 12 offensive possessions. One of those, they got the ball on the 10 yard line (and scored right away).

Charlotte had 14 offensive possessions (not counting the end of half kneeldown). When you have turns/special teams scores/etc., your offense is not going to be on the field as much. Its not really a difficult concept and is why just looking at yards doesn't make much sense.

Oh, I understand the "concept" completely but it doesn't mean what you are pretending it does......At the end of the day, almost every offensive stat was in Charlotte's favor and since you like to talk about how Charlotte had 2 "extra possessions"---- the flip side of that is that we both punted 5 times in the game. So, that means our defense forced their offense to punt the same number of times we did even though they had 2 less opportunities to do so and NO, I've already told you they scored the same number of offensive TDs as us, so it wasn't due to them 'finishing" more drives with points instead of punts.

So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

Actually, not saying its a bad thing. Just trying to explain to you how App States offense performed better than Charlottes.

One problem with that.....they didn't.
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 03:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You realize App State had 12 offensive possessions. One of those, they got the ball on the 10 yard line (and scored right away).

Charlotte had 14 offensive possessions (not counting the end of half kneeldown). When you have turns/special teams scores/etc., your offense is not going to be on the field as much. Its not really a difficult concept and is why just looking at yards doesn't make much sense.

Oh, I understand the "concept" completely but it doesn't mean what you are pretending it does......At the end of the day, almost every offensive stat was in Charlotte's favor and since you like to talk about how Charlotte had 2 "extra possessions"---- the flip side of that is that we both punted 5 times in the game. So, that means our defense forced their offense to punt the same number of times we did even though they had 2 less opportunities to do so and NO, I've already told you they scored the same number of offensive TDs as us, so it wasn't due to them 'finishing" more drives with points instead of punts.

So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

So if the other team had a pick six every time you got the ball and their offense never saw the field would you be bragging about more yards, more first downs and more TOP?

Nope, but thats not even close to what happened. Its called context......you might want to look it up......by the way , I was at the game. Were you or did you watch it?
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 03:56 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  Oh, I understand the "concept" completely but it doesn't mean what you are pretending it does......At the end of the day, almost every offensive stat was in Charlotte's favor and since you like to talk about how Charlotte had 2 "extra possessions"---- the flip side of that is that we both punted 5 times in the game. So, that means our defense forced their offense to punt the same number of times we did even though they had 2 less opportunities to do so and NO, I've already told you they scored the same number of offensive TDs as us, so it wasn't due to them 'finishing" more drives with points instead of punts.

So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

Actually, not saying its a bad thing. Just trying to explain to you how App States offense performed better than Charlottes.

One problem with that.....they didn't.

Alright, I will move on. You mention context and I showed you what you should be looking for to consider context. If a team has less possession and less potential yardage available to then, it should be considered.

Let me explain it this way:

Team A: 10 possessions, they get each on their 20 yard line. Every possession, they have the chance to gain 80 yards. They have 800 yards available to them.

Team B: 10 possessions, they get each on their 45 yard line. Every possession, they have the chance to gain 55 yards. They have 550 yards available to them.

Field position and turnovers affect the amount of yards that are available to a team. If they have less potential yards to gain doesn't mean they were the inferior offense. App State gained more yards per play, they had 2 less possessions, and scored the same number of touchdowns. There is not a single way in this would that Charlottes offense was better than them.......no matter what total yardage says.

It's pretty clear. Hopefully, that is understandable to you.
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Week 2 Power Rankings
all will become clear this week as... guess who’s playing?
Abilene Christian vs Central Arkansas!

At least it should help clear up the WKU vs UNT debate...
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
The 3 simplest, most direct Criteria to measure a team’s effectiveness on offense:
Ratio of points-scored on offense to # of plays by the offense
Ratio of turnovers by the offense to # of plays by the offense
Yards per Play (not counting take-a-knee snaps at the end of 1st/2nd half)
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I just thought about this, if we (FAU) lose to Wagner in Week 4, we would have lost to an FCS school that has a loss to Division II opponent (East Stroudsburg) on its schedule this season already...
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(09-11-2019 04:27 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I just thought about this, if we (FAU) lose to Wagner in Week 4, we would have lost to an FCS school that has a loss to Division II opponent (East Stroudsburg) on its schedule this season already...

And lost to UConn by 3 versus losing to East Stroudsburg by 10.

So if Wagner beats FIU, then by transitive property East Stroudsburg will be better than UConn and FAU, and at least in the same neighborhood as Illinois.

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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
(09-11-2019 04:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:56 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:43 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:09 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 02:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So.......

App State- 12 possessions. 5 punts (42%), 6 touchdowns (50%), and 1 missed FG.
Charlotte- 14 possession. 5 punts (36%), 6 touchdowns (43%), 2 turnovers, 1 loss of downs.

Congrats on turning the ball over instead of punting!

They scored 6 touchdowns in 12 possessions; Charlotte scored 6 in 14 possessions.


BOTTOM LINE (on OFFENSIVE STATS)

TOTAL OFFENSE ( Charlotte) (App State)
Yards 526 458
Plays 71 59
Avg. / Play 7.4 7.8
Fumbles - Lost 1-1 0-0
Penalties - Yds. 11-80 13-148
PUNTING
Punts - Yds. 5-212 5-215
Poss. Time 33:54 26:06

Only an ODU fan could turn more yards, more first downs, more TOP, etc. into a "bad thing".

Actually, not saying its a bad thing. Just trying to explain to you how App States offense performed better than Charlottes.

One problem with that.....they didn't.

Alright, I will move on. You mention context and I showed you what you should be looking for to consider context. If a team has less possession and less potential yardage available to then, it should be considered.

Let me explain it this way:

Team A: 10 possessions, they get each on their 20 yard line. Every possession, they have the chance to gain 80 yards. They have 800 yards available to them.

Team B: 10 possessions, they get each on their 45 yard line. Every possession, they have the chance to gain 55 yards. They have 550 yards available to them.

Field position and turnovers affect the amount of yards that are available to a team. If they have less potential yards to gain doesn't mean they were the inferior offense. App State gained more yards per play, they had 2 less possessions, and scored the same number of touchdowns. There is not a single way in this would that Charlottes offense was better than them.......no matter what total yardage says.

It's pretty clear. Hopefully, that is understandable to you.

Not sure who you think you're lecturing, but your "reasoning " is completely flawed. The argument was about the performance of each offense. The factors you keep droning on about were the result of defense and ST play setting up the offenses differently. At the end of the day, offenses try to stay on the field as long as they can, gain as many yards as they can and score as many points as they can. Charlotte won 2 of those 3 items and tied the other. Case closed. Argue more with yourself if you like.
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Dude, you seriously sound ignorant. What the App st defense did has nothing to do with their offensive performance.

Again, If your offense throws 6 picks; they can win TOP, most yards, and Offensive points. Doesnt mean they were better.

Your artificial 3 criteria is off base.

Here is a little teaser in ppp

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/platfo...ve-factors
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(09-11-2019 06:49 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Dude, you seriously sound ignorant. What the App st offense did has nothing to donwith their offensive performance.

Again, If your offense throws 6 picks; they can win TOP, most yards, and Offensive points. Doesnt mean they were better.

Your artificial 3 criteria is off base.

Here is a little teaser in ppp

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/platfo...ve-factors

Yeah, I sound ignorant? Read your first paragraph. Its incoherent babbling.
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RE: Week 2 Power Rankings
Way too early F+/- Rankings:

USM 70
Marshall 75
LT 89
WKY 90
FAU 94
UNT 95
MTSU 96
FIU 97
UAB 99
Charlotte 112
ODU 119
Rice 124
UTSA 127
UTEP 130
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(09-14-2019 02:10 PM)EpicNiner Wrote:  I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/ga.../401112455

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