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(09-08-2019 04:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Where did you go to school Todge

Surely you’re man enough to stop hiding and tell us

Or are you too cowardly and only care to give out criticism and won’t take any for yourself?

So which pissant TX school did you actually attend? Lamar? Sam Houston? North Texas?

Your refusal to say tells us it’s one of those nobody schools but you still want to have an opinion on the rest of us anyway

Tell us what amazing and well run school you attended

the chancellor of the aggy system is an idiot and he is ruining college station and screwing over the rest of the system

that has nothing to do with where I went to school and the fact that you could not address that and try to refute it lets everyone know it is true especially when you instead tried to call out the messenger

you can make a comment on any school in Texas public or private and a number from other states and I will have an opinion on that possibly good or possibly bad

but that still does not change the fact that not-so-sharp is an blatant moron and is screwing college station and the entire system and wasting tons of higher ed dollars in Texas and the sad fact is many know this but being a "good ag" prevents them from saying it

but the bigger reality is you can go to texags and see that even many "good ags" are tired of him and see that he is a fool

maybe one day you will wake up to that fact as well
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You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean
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RE: A Proposal For The PUF
(09-08-2019 07:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean

Keep it to the subject matter and not about the poster. If a poster claims expertise he/she should be willing to qualify it. But if they don't assume they have none. But those wishing to remain anonymous are well within their rights.
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(09-08-2019 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 07:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean

Keep it to the subject matter and not about the poster. If a poster claims expertise he/she should be willing to qualify it. But if they don't assume they have none. But those wishing to remain anonymous are well within their rights.

Thank you. It does not matter where he went to school and throwing out "coward" is silly and a failed attempt to goad him. Side opinion: Rodge is one of the most informed posters on this board concerning higher education. His facts are solid and I enjoy his informed opinions.
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Back on topic. UH and Tech will not receive money from the PUF because Texans are content with 2 public AAU Universities.

It's a double edge sword but with the number of Californians moving here, maybe they can demand more funding for Texas schools so we can elevate 2 more schools to AAU status.

Would Texas Tech and Houston be more valuable in realignment discussions if both had AAU status?
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(09-08-2019 08:05 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 07:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean

Keep it to the subject matter and not about the poster. If a poster claims expertise he/she should be willing to qualify it. But if they don't assume they have none. But those wishing to remain anonymous are well within their rights.

Thank you. It does not matter where he went to school and throwing out "coward" is silly and a failed attempt to goad him. Side opinion: Rodge is one of the most informed posters on this board concerning higher education. His facts are solid and I enjoy his informed opinions.

Well said. +2
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RE: A Proposal For The PUF
(09-08-2019 07:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean

You're entitled to an opinion on A&M even though you didn't go there. You would be entitled to one even if you weren't even an Aggy fan.
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I never said he isn’t entitled to an opinion

I’m saying he purposefully hides where he went so he can criticize other’s schools without having to take any criticism of his own school in return

I say that’s not at all in the spirit of these or any other topics concerning colleges and universities on a dedicated board like this one to intentionally hide your affiliation in order to avoid criticism (while criticizing others) or put your opinion in perspective

Otherwise it’s not a fair and honest dialogue
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(09-08-2019 08:07 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Back on topic. UH and Tech will not receive money from the PUF because Texans are content with 2 public AAU Universities.

It's a double edge sword but with the number of Californians moving here, maybe they can demand more funding for Texas schools so we can elevate 2 more schools to AAU status.

Would Texas Tech and Houston be more valuable in realignment discussions if both had AAU status?

I wouldnt say they are content to have just two public AAU schools. I think the reality is they dont believe its worth the political cost required to reform the higher education funding mechanism. Its antiquated funding system that has the largest bucket of funds locked into to just for just university systems (and not even all the schools in those systems). Then they are trying to fund improvements in other schools from a tiny little underfed fund thats already divided way too many ways to make any difference.

Just from a common sense standpoint---having all the the funds in one bucket that can be spent anywhere provides more flexibility for anyone trying to address the funding issues. That said--in the end---thats not even the biggest issue. The bottom line is to fund Texas higher education in a way that will result in more top tier schools----your going to have to spend more money---and that's not going to happen in any significant way.
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(09-08-2019 08:05 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 07:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You’re a coward who is too afraid to own up to which school you went to but you want to run your mouth big and talk trash about the academics and athletics of the schools in this state who actually matter

Be a man and own up to being the Midwestern State grad or whatever it is you really are so we all can know just how much your opinion really matters

But you won’t because you know as soon as you admit to being a Texas Lutheran Bulldog or Concordia College whatever they are, no one will take your BS seriously anymore

Quit hiding and come clean

Keep it to the subject matter and not about the poster. If a poster claims expertise he/she should be willing to qualify it. But if they don't assume they have none. But those wishing to remain anonymous are well within their rights.

Thank you. It does not matter where he went to school and throwing out "coward" is silly and a failed attempt to goad him. Side opinion: Rodge is one of the most informed posters on this board concerning higher education. His facts are solid and I enjoy his informed opinions.

Thirded. And belittling smaller schools (“pissant school” “schools who actually matter”) is incredibly elitist. Sounds like someone equating self-worth to where they went to school.
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(09-08-2019 08:07 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Back on topic. UH and Tech will not receive money from the PUF because Texans are content with 2 public AAU Universities.

It's a double edge sword but with the number of Californians moving here, maybe they can demand more funding for Texas schools so we can elevate 2 more schools to AAU status.

Would Texas Tech and Houston be more valuable in realignment discussions if both had AAU status?

they are not going to receive money from the PUF because so far politicians in Texas know that taking something from UT or aggy is not the proper way to improve other universities

the amount of money available from the PUF is wildly overblown and the UT System does themselves and UT Austin no favors by listing the entire endowment as a single amount on listings like the NACUBO endowment report

about $8.7 billion of the PUF is private endowments for the UT System components that would not be available to be shared no matter what happened with the PUF......that is over 25% of the value listed by the NACUBO right there

also the UT System never makes it known that a very large portion of the PUF covers statutory infrastructure formula funding for the PUF participating universities instead of that formula funding coming from general state revenues

so even if that part of the OUF was shared that simply means that general state revenues will be shared by more schools and anyone that knows how state government works doing that more than likely would lead to a funding DECREASE for many schools

using random dollar amounts as an example if Texas is allocating $10 billion for formula infrastructure funding for the state schools that are non-PUF participants and the PUF gets busted up

well when it comes time to allocate funding for state universities to cover formula infrastructure funding well the state would most likely still allocate $10 billion even though there would be about 12 more schools now drawing from that allocated amount of money.....so then you just reduce the dollar amount per "formula unit" and everyone gets a little smaller cut of that $10 billion

people need to stop pretending that state government would look and see there are not 12 (or so) more schools now drawing their infrastructure formula funding and allocate more dollars to make up for that

also in the case of UT, PVAMU, and aggy the amount of actual "extra dollars" for "excellence funding" is a great deal lower than what most people think.....it is not easy to calculate because of how the budgets are reported, but I think UT Austin gets about $150 million in "excellence funding" and aggy probably about half of that (harder still to figure for them because of PVAMU getting a cut)

it was said with the NRUF program that it would take $50 to $70 million per emerging research university per year to elevate any of them to BASELINE AAU like metrics (actual AAU membership is doubtful in the long term future if ever)

so when one looks at the enrollment of UT and aggy vs the enrollments of the Emerging Research Universities and when one considers they are WELL ABOVE baseline AAU metrics I would say that $75 to $150 million in additional funding (or possibly more) is a pretty good use of that money relative to the overall level of stature of those schools and their enrollments

so again crying about "unfair" when pretty much every state in the USA has public schools that are funded at different levels and some that are funded to be top research and academic universities is really not a strong argument especially when the amount of "unfair dollars" is really not nearly as massive as people believe it to be because of the harmful way that the UT System chooses to report their endowment numbers while giving little other explanation of what those numbers mean or how they break down

it is a much more intelligent argument to push for MORE for other schools at times when there are budget surpluses instead of always pushing to take from others....all the more so when there is an endowment mechanism in place now for other schools that can be utilized to protect money for the future just like the PUF has done so far

I doubt most californians care about Texas universities and the AAU many of them probably already have their degrees (which is why they are moving to Texas for good jobs and less taxes) or they do not have a degree at all and sadly they are moving to Texas because they are not intelligent enough to know that all those "great jobs" they read about in stupid news articles require specific degrees in difficult fields of study and they are not smart enough to know that NOWHERE is "cheap to live" when you have poor job skills and a spotty work history and even if one place is a bit cheaper it will really not make much of a meaningful difference in overall quality of life especially when one factors in the cost of relocation in terms of actual dollars and life/job interruption

plus in california the have been cutting university funding dramatically and being california they are keeping all the wasteful programs at their universities and "freebies" while damaging the actual productive parts of their universities.....many people moving to Texas would be just as likely to push for spending on hand outs and giveaways at universities vs pushing for more research and elevating overall reputation.....especially now that many of the "rankings" systems are moving more towards "what does a university provide for free" vs actually ranking quality of education

the answer is to push for more funding for the NRUF and to increase that endowment so that it throws off meaningful dollars that are endowed and thus harder for politicians to get their grubby hands on especially in times of lower revenues
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(09-08-2019 08:43 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I never said he isn’t entitled to an opinion

I’m saying he purposefully hides where he went so he can criticize other’s schools without having to take any criticism of his own school in return

I say that’s not at all in the spirit of these or any other topics concerning colleges and universities on a dedicated board like this one to intentionally hide your affiliation in order to avoid criticism (while criticizing others) or put your opinion in perspective

Otherwise it’s not a fair and honest dialogue

He ridicules the school I graduated from and the 1 your wife graduated from.

Let him be because he doesn't hurt anyone. If he is so bothersome, ignore him like I was told to do with other posters on this board.
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(09-08-2019 08:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 08:07 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Back on topic. UH and Tech will not receive money from the PUF because Texans are content with 2 public AAU Universities.

It's a double edge sword but with the number of Californians moving here, maybe they can demand more funding for Texas schools so we can elevate 2 more schools to AAU status.

Would Texas Tech and Houston be more valuable in realignment discussions if both had AAU status?

I wouldnt say they are content to have just two public AAU schools. I think the reality is they dont believe its worth the political cost required to reform the higher education funding mechanism. Its antiquated funding system that has the largest bucket of funds locked into to just for just university systems (and not even all the schools in those systems). Then they are trying to fund improvements in other schools from a tiny little underfed fund thats already divided way too many ways to make any difference.

Just from a common sense standpoint---having all the the funds in one bucket that can be spent anywhere provides more flexibility for anyone trying to address the funding issues. That said--in the end---thats not even the biggest issue. The bottom line is to fund Texas higher education in a way that will result in more top tier schools----your going to have to spend more money---and that's not going to happen in any significant way.

UT and A&M politicians will never vote to make Texas Tech and Houston one of their equals. You know it and so do I.

Texas Tech is left to be a dwarf among the little 8 in the Big 12.

That isn't bad considering the other options. That said, the state of Texas should have more AAU schools.
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TodgeRodge is right. As long as the Good Ol' Boy politicians in Austin continue to control the educational purse strings, the PUF will only be meant for the University of Texas System and the TAMU System.

I'll add a couple things. If I had my way, we'd do away with the UH system and make UHCL and UHD their own universities outside of the UH system. UHCL would become Clear Lake University (Or the University of South Texas...or whatever), and UHD would change their name to Houston Metro. (I like that name, Rodge. Nice choice.) UT would still utilize that 320-acre plot of land they bought in southeast Houston, but they'd do that by buying Texas Southern and moving it to that plot of land, giving the old TSU campus to the University of Houston. TSU would still remain TSU, but in a different location and as part of the UT system.
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